If they are not available to casual gamers out of the box then they will not be interested. As for hardcore gamers if the motion tech isn't implemented well in a variety of hardcore games they wont be interested.

Its going to come down to 3 things ....

1.Pricing

2.Support

3.Accessibility

Edit:
Xbox 360 Natal bundled with NATAL
Playstation 3 Motion bbundled with eyetoy and motion controller or FAIL

If Natal is Eyetoy 2.0, then Sony's d*ldo wand is Wiimote 2.0 he he :)

I have to agree with the title. This is something that really needs to be packaged in and needs to be pushed aggressively if they want it to truly succeed on a widespread level. Now i'm not sure i'd use the word "fail" cause that sounds a bit harsh. But if they try pushing it as just an add-on it would "fail" just as much as the eyetoy has up to this point. because add-ons don't typically fair all that well, and if it's not universal then developers aren't truly going to utilize and push this technology. the whole reason the wiimote caught on and succeeded is because it was packaged in and pushed as the core reason to the whole product. not to say sony has to make everything start revolving around it, but if they want it to succeed on a massive level then it definitely needs to start being packed in with all systems sold.

new Default SKUs that, on Sony's side include motion controls replacing SixAxis/DS3 controllers and on Microft's side they just add the Natal there.

They cannot just bundle Natal... Actual suggested price is around $200 but it could be much higher. Remember, two camera, microphone, infrared sensor, heavy processor, etc, etc. (Currently, all demos had a FULL PC running the code for it!) This is not something you can just bundle up with a game, and if you bundle up with a Xbox, it's something that will raise the price of the bundle so high that casual gamers won't go for it. Could double the price of the Arcade console easily!

On the other side, many PS3 owners already have the camera. So they can bundle the controller which is cheaper with a game, and sell it for relatively cheap. (Let say $100 with a very good game, so people will go for it).

As the article is saying, and they are right as far as I'm concerned, both manufacturer have to fill the actual pipe very quickly for those devices to have a future. Somehow though, I don't think that people who bought Arcade or Core Xbox because that's all they could afford will jump on a device that cost as much as their console itself! On the other side, any PS3 owners may be interested by a good game bundled with the device. (A bit like what Nintendo is currently doing with the Motion plus). Only future will tell, but I have to say that it's easier to fill the pipe with a cheaper device for sure.

even if its totally bundled it can still fail. What these kinds of things really need is to be embraced by as many dev teams as possible, and not just bolted on near the end of a project but actually worked into a game from the start.

Trust me, even if they never bundle a motion device for the 360 or ps3 BUT devs start to actually incorporate it (well) in many games people will just WANT to own one.

Dude is so apparent that you're a Microbot. You failed to mention that people who already invested in a Live Vision Cam(40$)will then have to throw it out cause Natal makes it absolute. If Natal is bundled with the 360 then it's price won't remain at 150$. Natal isn't going to retail at sub 100$

replacing the sixaxis/ds3? meaning the bundle only comes with the motion control and the system itself? let me say this in the words of Vince McMahon: no chance in hell. They would kill theirselves doing something like that (speaking only on ps3 here). Cause games aren't going to suddenly start using only motion control. it will still be a mix of regular and motion games even if they do go all out with it. that's almost as absurd an idea as releasing a blu-ray-less ps3 like so many people clamored on about a while back. just NOT happening.

as for natal, gambler makes a very good point, which for some reason i seemed to overlook. natal is going to come with a hefty price tag. and i don't see how microsoft can just start bundling that with their systems even if they wanted to, so really i don't see how they're going to push it. especially when the hardware is ultimately going to cost as much as the platform itself.

"yall should tell that to million of people that already hype and can't wait to get their hands on Natal and it don't even have a release date."

I'd like you to introduce me to those millions of people that you know are waiting for NATAL.

Natals improved tech over the PSEye still doesn't open the door to hardcore games. I don't own a PSEye because it is not appealing to me as a hardcore gamer. Could change with a medieval RPG using the motion controller along with the PSEye.

Tell me, how is Natal any different from the PSEye from a gaming perspective? The tech is clearly superior but thats not the point. And if you are suggesting using the 360 controller along with Natal, you might as well just use the controller as I don't see any benefit holding the controller in your hand and wiggling your arms around along with it, it makes Natal obsolete. And no, it would not be the same as Sonys "wand".

Sonys motion controller is tracked 1:1 which actually allows for true sword mechanics as shown in the tech demo. I wasn't impressed with the FPS demo they have shown, but I'm sure they will come up with a better way to use it in FPS games.

PS: http://www.kokugamer.com/wp...

and Natal is most certainly NOT gonna fail! It's gonna be huge! Sony's just gonna puch their peripheral out faster and in a new default SKU and make every new and some older games available for it.

Quit being a trolling fanboy. Both natal and sony's motion stand as good a chance as the other to succeed or fail (given that MS actually get natal working properly, which i'm not convinced it does work exactly like they say it does, and can be implemented to the degree they say it can). And don't for one minute think that initial hype due to flashy presentation translates to success. If that were the case then where is the Eyetoy right now? Yea, that's what i thought. It's a second thought add-on (maybe even third or fourth) that never really went anywhere despite the attention it got when it was initially brought out. All that hype chilled pretty quick. If MS can deliver on what they say though, they could succeed in making Natal a success at what the Eyetoy was made for but ultimately failed. Once again though, it can't be left as just an optional add-on, lest it gets no real support.

"yall should tell that to million of people that already hype and can't wait to get their hands on Natal"
I think that should probably more accurately say that millions of people can't wait to see if Natal lives up to it's potential. Or if it just becomes another flash in the pan just like the eyetoy (as far as being implemented and delivering anything really worthwhile, cause we know the technology itself, at least, is a very good concept).

"i wish i can say the same for sony purple dildo"
I'm sorry, correct me if i'm wrong, but while Natal has in fact been getting most of the hype (for what i'm not sure, seeing as how really it's just a second chance for the eyetoy--a reincarnation if you will), still most major media sources are saying Sony's motion is the more applicable and useful technology and that they feel it would contribute more to gaming than Natal, thus they could see themselves using that more.

All in all though, the technology here isn't what matters as far as success goes. It's all about how it's packaged, and if either company wants their motion technology to succeed they'll have to pull a page out of Nintendo's book and pack these peripherals in with their systems once they come out to really get it out there and start pushing the products.