Sweet, the MGS4 engine was good but like all engines not without it's faults. If they say they can do something better then the MGS4 engine on multiplatform consoles then more power to them.

That being said I'm sure this engine will still be borrowing from the MGS4 engine a bit.

Well MGS4 engine is designed only for the PS3. So I think that is a given.

meh, kojima has nothing to do with this game. Im not so sure its going to be anything special.

The amount of stupidity in this thread astounds even me.

Also since this is a Ninja Gaiden mixed with Tenchu type game, of course it needs its own engine.

This revelation just proves that this game is not a MGS game at all, so get ready to tap x constantly and makes combos as you fight robots and soldiers.

The only real new MGS game only exist on PSP

Kojima U Fall Me For The First Time a better engine this one i have 2 see i doubt it

I'm a huge fan of the metal gear franchise, I'm really looking forward to MGS:Rising and i believe that kojima will successfully push the graphics to the bar for this series.

MGS4 couldnt be done on the 360 due to disc space. Not to mention they have to hollywood the game up to get it to sell on the 360. MGS4 would more than likely be to slow for most 360 users...

They are going to totally bork the name MG i guarantee it someone please remember me saying this. Its going to be a totally different game in every sense.

The reason for this is pretty obvious: The MGS4 engine is one of the most advanced engines out there and there were no problems at all in MGS4 it was a truly perfect game. The 360 obviously can't handle the engine. I know that they say MGR will look better, but come on it's not like they would say it's gonna look worse right? Only PS3 can handle MGS4 and it's engine. This proves the PS3's superiority over the 360.

i'm good and sure that we are geting an awsome STORY and gameplay
and let's not forget it's big boss story so he is going to make it EPIC

EDIT; DAMN I THOUGT ITS PAECE WALKER

WHATEVER

id rather play a mgs on the ps3 or 360....than the psp.....i mean have you tryed the psp like a fps or anything....its so horrible lol....i mean seriously have you ever try a fps....aiming with the d-par lol...ooo man...or better yet....move with tri, cir, square, x lolits so weird and unnatural

well mgs are mgs....but whatever its cool its coming to the 360 im happy. i got a ps3 to im happy.

and honestly if mgs didn't come out for it....no one would notice it would be whatever, but that it is on the 360 we are just happy about it that's all. i hope this one is on the ps3 also so i can see it sell better than the 360.....and if it doesn't sell more..than WOW.

MGS FTW.....not the psp version though......

Just hope it looks better than MGS4 o.o. It better be! It will be a 2010 game vs. a 2008 game!

another good thing is that finally they will add achievements to the 360 version and trophies onto the PS3 version, cannot wait :)

Isn't the mgs4 engine optimized for the ps3? They would have to rebuild both games from the ground up on both systems. I may be wrong but that was one of the reasons MGS4 never went to the 360. they would need a new multiplatform engine to build the game on both systems efficiently.

These arguments just get more and more pathetic every time a new exclusive or multiplatform title are announced. Can't we all just be excited about the fact we get to play this title not have little arguments about the console you play it on?

Obviously it won't use that engine. The MGS4 engine is PS3-only, it's not a multi-platform engine.

First Kojima is not the man controlling the project, and now it will look worse than the MGS before it.............

R.I.P.
METAL GEAR SOLID
1998 - 2009

We will never forget you...... @>~~~

(Cue "Old Snake Theme" )

If it looks better, lets just hope it plays better too. Being it must be held back to 7GB i doubt it will. Less people on the screen, more stupid AI, smaller cutscenes, and worse physics are all i expect now. Sucks they have to toss one of the greatest engines out the door after just one game...

Protype is a game that should only be ran on 360, why???? because 360 is know for its long waiting an waiting loading screens as for it on PS3 it doesn't cut it because theirs Infamous and with that been said. This game is going to be most likely like that, yes I bet it is going to look go but better then MGS4? no I don't think it will because no one is using Bluray only an with out that then it means that it isn't going to be to go or they can make it really short but look really good -_- and for the person that was crying about "bullet shoots pics" get a life, they look the same on my screen an they both look good (To bad it was just a Gears game)

Oh an I hope the 360 people do know that the main reason why MGS4 won't work well on 360 is because they use DVD an it is dumb to have 4 or 10 DVD's for one game as well as it is a pain if you want to sell it an you are missing a disc (Kind of like how 360 people say they got great games but when I buy a use on it looks like they key it)

Bashing a game they haven't even played but excited to play the next one. I lost count at all the people saying the Metal Gear series was trash or overrated.

Also, it should look better. They would be taking a step back if it looked worse then a game that will be over 2 years old when this one releases.

optimized for the Cell only.

MGS4 engine was built from the ground up to work on the PS3. The MGS4 engine is a round peg and the XBox 360 is a square hole. For Rising they need to make a new peg to fit in round holes AND square holes. They can't use the MGS4 engine for the PS3 version because they would probably then have to create all assets twice (once for each engine), and that's inefficient and leads to too many inconsistencies.

I don't know if they will be successful in making a new (multiplat) engine that will look as good, but they are talented people so i'll reserve judgement.

Of course it won't use it since its a multiplatform game the xbox can't take it and that's y MGS4 still exclusive on ps3.

mgs4 engine is already here. tweek it to make it better instead of wasting time and starting from scratch.

Kojima: "Only a true MGS can use the MGS4 engine"

lol wat if thats the reason.

To them, MGS 4 was utter sh!t, and yet this game, which isn't even out yet, and Kojima has given hints that he's not 100% happy with, will somehow be the end-all-be-all of MGS games.

Face it... if MGS4 came out for the 360 too, ALL these "complaints" would disappear, and you'd instead be droning on and on about how the 360 version was the definitive one.

And if they DO manage to make it look better than MGS4, that will be a feat, because MGS4 was frickin' beautiful. They pull that off, I'll lay money down that it'll be due to either...

... mad graphical programming skillz...

... or sparse, smaller environments...

Of course MG:R won't use the MGS4 engine. The 360 can't handle that engine in the first place. Since this game is multiplatform the PS3 won't even be able to use the engine because it would be considered "unfair" in a way to people who play it on a last gen console. So lets just review some things about this game...

-You'll be playing as an emo character which is also one of the most hated characters in the MGS universe (possibly THE most hated)

-It's a spinoff

-It's not being directed by Kojima

-It won't use the MGS4 engine

So far that sounds like a flop of a game to me. I'll still play it even if it gets horrible reviews, I just won't buy it cause I would be embarrassed to have this garbage next to my other MGS games so it will be a rental at best. I'll buy MGS: PW though since it's a true sequel that Kojima is heavily involved in and that alone makes it better than MG:R (which I don't even consider a metal gear game; kind of like how DMC4 doesn't seem or feel like a DMC game to me).

games a disgrace to the mgs series

who wants to play as raiden? lmao it was bad enough in mgs2

I'm a PS gamer and I'm looking forward to MGSR. I don't care that it's going to be on 360 also, as long as it doesn't hinder my experience or is delayed to do so (FF13 <_< ).

Since this is a new game and not a port, I'm sure it will deliver the goods where it matters most... Graphics, Gameplay, and Storyline. I don't expect it to be as epic as MGS4, but I do expect it to be a day one buy.

PS.
The reason GTA4 let me down is because I was expecting GTA:SA gameplay with GTA4's setting, graphics, and storyline. Obviously we now know why that didn't happen, but we will leave that for the "BluRay is not needed" debate.

Because it cant run on 360 and it will be an entirely different game.
Worse one...

You know snake eater wasn't a bad game(awesome game)and it wasn't on the ps3 and if rising has the same amount of content i wouldn't mind.

And in other news, MGS4 looks good.

Seriously, out of all of the games you have to chose from, you are going to give merit to MGS4's graphics?

I have played this game for hours on end, and it is abundantly clear to me that its graphics are nothing special. I think it is insulting the intelligence of all gamers to try and say this game couldn't be recreated on the 360. That's like saying pong couldn't run on the NES.

There is literally nothing about MGS4, that the 360 cant do. It isn't shader heavy, texture heavy, AI heavy, or anything of the sort. For those of you arguing that it has advanced AI, who are you kidding? How many free headshot's did you get when the enemies stupidly stick their heads out from behind boxes/walls, and hold it there? I can remember this happening about 1000+ times myself. The mere fact that enemies walk up to you, when your camofluaged and say "uh oh, we see him" does NOT mean the AI is good.

The only limitation i see, is disk space. Which would be significantly decreased if they took out the 7.1 HD audio. I mean, who the F@#k has a 7.1 system in their house anyways? I like to play video games, doesn't mean i spend my entire pay check on buying fancy speakers. I couldn't possibly care less.

It's one thing to say "Uncharted2 cannot be run on the 360 (in its current form). But claiming that MGS4 is too advanced to be ran on the 360? Your gullibility towards propaganda reminds me of WW2.

So all that time making an engine has gone to waste?, seems they are going the square enix route, they say their games won't be affected but we all know the quality isn't the same as if it were exclusive ala Versus

If it looks better then fair enough.

and it was already obvious another engine would be needed, it wouldnt work ont he 360 full stop.

Though I wont play this game as a true MGS game.

MGS is something created by Kojimas mind, its like having a series of books completed by a different author, it wont work...

I can't see why it's bad for them to create a new engine which is going to be better than MGS4's engine according to Kojima Productions. Guys, it's a FRICKIN METAL GEAR SOLID game created by KOJIMA PRODUCTIONS! There is no way in hell the game will fail, Kojima himself won't allow this to happen. What the HELL is wrong with you guys? They are aiming for a better, bigger and more awesome MGS games for both PS3 and PSP. Remember, they are optimizing the game according to the hardware they're working on and they're planning to MAX OUT the game for that specific hardware and take in consideration how much that hardware can give in terms of graphics, textures, framerate etc... For instance, Kojima already have an experience with the PS3 hardware thanks to MGS4. They haven't developed for the 360 yet but I doubt they will have a problem with it same goes with PC. They will create Rising on 360 with whatever the 360 has left to offer in other words they are going to develop the 360 version as if it was an exclusive and MAXING IT OUT on 360. Same with PS3 and PC. Graphically speaking, PC might outshine both, however, the PS3 will definitely be the superior version overall because of the controls and of course the fanbase. ;) Can't wait to get my hands on both Rising and Peace Walker which I am buying a PSP Go! for. :)

i was thinking kojima said that mgs4 is only possible on ps3!?

now they say mgs rising is going to look even better than mgs4 including x360 (the game must look the same on both platforms).

Kojima is a prick, i will skip mgs rising!!!!!!!!!!!!

I predict crappy graphics,poor audio/video, short cut scene, all due to the fact that they need to downgrade it for xbox360.
Lame. =/

i remember first time playing MGS4 on my newly bought 1080P HDTV.. it made me have such high standards for gaming. Standards that weren't met til Killzone2 arrived. Although MGS4's story still beats that handsdown.

"MGS Rising will use an improved engine and a new coat of paint"

"MGS4 isn't possible on 360"

lolwut?

personally I think MGSR will look better then MGS4 #1 because the game will be smaller because of the 360's DVD9 #2 The game will have less audio in the game AGAIN because of the DVD9 so the remaining space could be used for making the game look better

If MGS4 was made using a 200GB BR Disc (considering the amount of audio in the game) this is what the game would've looked like and even better

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I never said MGS4 was made on a 200GB BD Disc, I said 'IF' the game was made using a 200GB BD Disc then it would've looked better then the YouTube video I posted above. Kojima himself said that he was disappointed with the final look of the game.

But anyway's personally I think that Kojima's not only working on MGS:Peace Walker but he's also working on the real MGS5 exclusive for the PS3. He said it himself that Peace Walker is 'close' to being an MGS5 but it's a bit of the mark so judging by that comment I think he's clearly working on MGS5 as well.

Thank God for that. MGS4 looked like crap. Good i suppose for PS3 users who don't know any different but to everyone one else it was a textureless dog.

^^^^

your an ass

confirmed: mgs4 only in the best console....

ps3.

I LOVE MGS games but this 1 i'm not to interested about...Sorry...
NO??? Snake??? NO Kojima??? WTF???

+ I hope Mr.Sir.Kojima is making a MGS:5 for the PS3 only!!! ;-P
NOW THAT WOULD BE ON MY PS3 MUST HAVE LIST!!!;)

Did anyone actually think it was ? it was a engine built on the PS3 for the PS3, it was an amazing engine and since its not using it well i can say this game is definitely not going to be anything special. But if your a big MGS fan like myself im hoping it will delve more into how Raiden came to be what he was in MGS4 but since kojima inst playing a big role in it i don't think the story will be as deep as it normally is

360 fanboys it's not too let to come over to the dark side mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I know I sound like lunatic but the ps3 make me crazy in a good way LOL :)MGS4 and Killzone are best games ever made period in my opinion! GOD OF WAR 3 looking good have my eye on you.

oh man... The Devs say that Rising will be look better than Metal Gear Solid 4, even if its a Multiplatform Game. So what all the shoking Comments here..

Before and now Fanboys say: "Uhhh the slimey Xbox Guy here wont have good Graphics as the so good and brave MGS4 on PS3"

When Rising is out and will have really better Graphics than Metal Gear Solid 4 it will sound like this:

Fanboy: "Uhh the slimey Xbox Guys there are resposible for my gimped down PS3 Version *cry* wich woud look much better if it woud be an exklusive *cry* It dos nott interest me if its looks better than MGS4 on PS3,i only want to hate any other Console. Oh and my brain was sucked out while i bought my PS3"

.....every news the same Fanboys..

that's good because the 4th game was the worst one, and what's this about how good it looks it better be a damn good game or whats the point.

"Another fact that the 360 is inferior"

what would you say such a stupid thing? they are both one in the same making the same last gen games, and the best games ever made kill zone 2? must be your first time playing a shooter go buy a pc there are plenty of real shooters to choose from....codmw2 anyone?

there will be a new engine for all the new minigames. From choosing the correct amount of eyeliner, the right pair of highheels, and even having an annoying conversation about love with Rose.

Sorry i hate Raiden. But the good news is that anything with the Kojima name will not only be quality but will usually push whatever machine its on to a new level. 360 fans are in for a treat but i can't seem to get excited over a Raiden hack n slash (if that's what it is). He's a platform wearing roboqueen and all the breakdancing in the world will not change that.

Apologies for nerding out.

this wont be a revolutionizing game and this wont be a true MG Game!!Shame shame...Im anticipating the PSP Game more than this!

hope its better.

MGS Raiden will be crippled, it wont match MGS4 quality in any sense. It will be another game that will be as good as the 360 allows it to be (DVD9, no cell, no HD in all consoles). The good news is that 360 only owners will get an MGS game. Better news is that PS3 owners have the MGS4 game, and that is enough for everyone

I will laugh my A$$ out if this game looks better than MGS4 in any aspect. That ought to shut up soooo many fanboys. So please please make this game just a little better :)

I hope then that Kojima production will do MGS5 on MGS4 engine for PS3 in future.....

amount of people who have been deleted!!

I don't think I've ever seen an article littered with so much fanboyism from both sides. It feels like a battle in here.

On topic: I have both consoles and I'm actually excited about this game. PS3 fans shouldn't be upset about this game being multiplatform. That means more gamers get to enjoy it. Be happy. I'm anxious to see how this game handled by a new team turns out.

No wonder they didn't have any gameplay footage of the game. They haven't created the engine yet! IMO, it is incredibly stupid of them not to reuse the MGS4 engine for this game. No way in hell would repurposing an engine for use in a multiplatform game more expensive then creating a brand new engine.

READ the fking article! It says that they going to build an engine from scratch and they promised that it will look better then MGS4. Stupid Sony f**ktards.

I am gonna lol if Risen turns out to look way better then MGS4.

from the article:
Kojima Productions even promise that Metal Gear Solid: Rising will end up looking better than Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

I cant wait. Now if this has multiplayer

all we need is

a amazing...

Cross platform gaming.

:)

the mgs 4 engine was made SPECIFICLY for the ps3 its a prime exaample of why some ps3 games simply cannot run on the 360 not because the 360 weaker but because the engine was built for the ps3 . on the other hand most 360 games can be run on the ps3 because most 360 games use the unreal engine 3 most ps3 games use custom engines

I THING THE NINTENDO WII IS MORE POWERFULL THAN XBOX 360

did i say all 360 exclusives or most and games like banjo,alan wake and fable 2 dont they use the havok engine hasnt that made appearences on the ps3 , theres no denying that micrososoft has relied heavily on the unreal engine infact wasnt there an article a couple of weeks back explaining that? and yes i dont own a 360 but i own a gaming pc so do i really need a 360 am i missing out on anything if i can play most of its games on my pc?

Is reserved for the PS3.

MGS4 engine produced the greatest game ever. MGS4 is the only exclusive this gen which IGN, Gamespot and G.I all gave 10's.

Only reason it will look better because its Kojima Productions second game this gen....if they where making it just for PS3 on the MGS4 engine, it would look 10X better would be no compromising on the game meaning top notch AI, graphics and more content.

This is a good news for everyone

i don't understand why Kojima is hardly taking any part in this game??
but i think its obvious that the 360 cant use the same engine. But im worried for the MG franchise, i don't want this game or peace walker to be complete tip offs.

either way i think the game is going to still be good

If they get MGS Rising to work, then good for them. I'll be busy playing MW2 and AC2 by then.

I’m beating a dead horse here… but Resisitance FOM gun lay out was so fun, multiplayer was one of my top favorite experiences. Insomniac nailed it and I would love a remaster and maybe a redo with Reisistance 2. They listens to players who were wanting a Halo killer and it kind of lost its character from the first.

Warhawk, if they had just remade the first one not Starhawk which offered nice things like the build and battle.. but Warhawk was the best arcade shooter I ever played. Back when you didn’t have battle passes and you actually had to get certain amount of kills or ribbons to unlock different paint skins on the Warhawks and armor for your player.. Look at the success of Helldivers 2, it’s a fun game and it reminds me of Warhawk in a way. I’ve been wanting a remake or sequel since the beginning of the ps4 gen.. it’s hurts to have hope nowadays. Even with the demise of the studios Sony has a steady fan base.

Killzone game after Killzone 2 play style would be nice

Motorstorm would be epic with the visual upgrade, maybe this game would be a harder sell with the genre being not as popular nowadays..

Resistance franchise, Motorstorm and Dirt 2 which was fun as heck. Add Dead Space 2 as well.

I quickly looked and only saw the words PS5 Remaster and a picture of Fall of Mans logo

Ahhhh shit, well maybe one day

Resistance 1-3 remastered with online

Kill zone 1-3 remastered with online

God of war PS3 games and PSP games collection

Infamous 1-2 with all dlc please we need this. It’s such an underrated franchise and so much potential. In this age of super hero media craze Sony should utilize infamous

White knight chronicles 1-2

Warhawk and starhawk

Motorstorm series

MGS4

Easy money would be to remake Resistance and Killzone series, rather than just a remaster. And PS5 desperately needs some couch co-op shooters so this would scratch that itch.

Infamous 1+2 and KZ 2+3

Deus Ex Human Revolution

GTA IV needs one.
Still stuck on PS3 and 360.

PS3 ended up been a beast of a console, slow out of the gate, picked up steam, smashed through the finish line. The 1st PS3 slim is still one of my favourite consoles. So solid, great games, by the time GTA5 and the last of us had come out it was a clear winner for me

Nice to see that they included Pupetteer in this list.

"PS3 may not have been the strongest generation"

Meanwhile...just looking at exclusives alone and not even third party titles

Uncharted was born
Demon's Souls was born
Metal Gear Solid 4
God of War 3
The Last of Us was born
Little Big Planet was born
Warhawk
Killzone 2 and 3
Infamous was born
Resistance was born
Motorstorm was born
Gran Turismo
Heavy Rain
Journey
Shadow of the Colossus returned paving the way for the remake in the PS4 generation
PS Plus was born

Sorry bud, but the PS3 generation was amazing and featured the greatest console comeback in history.

That said, I'd love it if Warhawk returned or Metal Gear Solid 4. It needs to not be shackled to the PS3 generation anymore. A Killzone 2 remake would be insane with modern graphics and that art direction.

I really miss this gen of gaming. It felt like the last truly "great" era for videogames before the modern approach really took hold.

The PS3 was such a glorious console. The UI, the games, the free online...just incredible.

Add Mag to that list.

I would pay good money for a Warhawk remake. Socom too. The last Socom game just didn’t do it justice. Folklore could use a remaster or remake as well.
Several other titles I would like to remade with the amount of visual fidelity the current gen has over the past consoles it could help articulate the games that we’ve loved growing up. I would love even some ps2 titles to remade.. Dark Cloud from ps2, Legacy of Kain series but don’t know what will come of it sense it was bought by Embracer group and all there layoffs.

This strategy is exactly what helped ruin Xbox. Sony more than Microsoft know when to let a franchise go and that is important to keep things fresh. The old games are there if you want to play them.

Resistance series and Killzone 2 & 3 remasters/remakes. Make it happen. They will print money.

FF13 is top of this list for me. No matter your opinion on it, it being the only numbered offline FF out of all 16 not to be on new consoles is odd. GTA IV would be great too

The only reason my PS3 is still connected is because of the Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm games that I still love to play. I am for remaking or remastering them.