The Valve feller said that it really was too much to be just a DLC. They're like adding in new maps, people, types of ammo, melee weapons, special infected, new ai director, re-doing the regular horde so you can shoot off legs and fun junk like that, It sounds like a little much to be patched in.

I'm going to buy it, and I'm sure I'll be playing it constantly. For like, ever. Haha.

And you don't think that it should be priced like any other online only game? You'd be losing your socks at the outstanding value then! Two pairs of dead siocks, eh? Excited now?

I still play Warhawk to this day but if the next one was to be a full price release without a SP campaign(and not just training like L4D)then I'd tell Sony/Incog/Dylan to stick it. I like L4D just fine but the brevity and pointlessness of the SP plus the lightness of the rest of the package is limiting, esp as the promises about DLC/mod support for console haven't been kept yet they're onto a sequel.

Look, if they price this right U'm all over it. If they give a real SP I'm all over it at fullretail. Otherwise it's just a bit of a con and despite the FACT I'll miss the extras my principle here is that if we let them once they'll do it again and worse in the future. My eagerness for more L4D doesn't outweigh my fears of being perpetually ripped off by a company I felt I could trust to at least earn my money.

Haha,
You played L4d alone? It's boring like hell.
Go around shooting and listening to AI blabbering,
Playing with real people are soo fun.
I placed L4d 3rd on my list "Games that is fun"
First was Halo,2nd was COD4.
I do have to admit about being pissed off that DLC aint released yet.
Still, L4d2 looks fun.
More than 6 maps, and people will definitely stop the boycotted.

Steam is an over glorified DRM! It makes honest gamers' lives more difficult. I'd rather have my friend burn me a cracked pirated copy than be FORCED to use Steam to play some over hyped average shooter Valve farts out. You'd think a game with such a strong following would have a decent single player campaign. Valve could have saved itself some DVD9's and just released L4D on XBL arcade, because that is all L4D is really worth.

L4D is only meant to be played co-op, durrr, it's one of the few real ahmazing co-op games. The single player is only for achievement whoring, really, so if you're playing it single player all the time, you're playing it wrong.

L4D is not worth just an arcade game. I played that game nonstop for months and months. And still go back to it. Infinitely re-playable.

look, even that being so the L4D is still content shy. That is why Valve opted to offer the L4D community free updates. It has been said by Valve themselves. What good do updates and promised content do for a title that will become obsolete for many.

have you heard of Madden or Call of Duty?

Valve releases a game a year later and gets steamrolled for it but Call of Duty and Madden (all sports games) are relased yearly and everyone buys it without saying a word.

Can't wait for L4D2

"have you heard of Madden or Call of Duty?"

i have

"Valve releases a game a year later and gets steamrolled for it but Call of Duty and Madden (all sports games) are released yearly and everyone buys it without saying a word."

Because those "everyone" are sports fan or little kids whose parents buy them every NFS or FIFA they want. Call of duty on the other hand is actually developed by 2 different developers.

We can't stop and inform everybody about how EA or Activison jibbs their customers. But what we can do is stand up and voice our outrage about mistreatment and unfairness and eventually they will have to hear us (or shut us up.).

FF14 is not on PC.

L4D2 boycotters are mainly PC players.

below: well, I said mainly.

going with your logic. They may not even play any games on any consoles and PC.

How do you know they are mostly PC players? Because they have an account on Steam? Ha, ha...even ps3 fanboys can have Steam accounts.

http://steamcommunity.com/g...
If you browse through the L4D2 Boycott members list, you will notice that most of them are regular Team Fortress 2 / Counter Strike / Left4Dead / Call of Duty / Warhammer players subscribed since several years now.

So much for the PS3 fanboys with 7-days-old free Steam accounts...

it's not just L4D..Valve has an annoying fanbase in general for their popular multi-player games like Counterstrike and Team Fortress. reading the forums can be unbearable. people cry about everything.

This reminds me of all fanboys...

Theyre ALL the same. Singling out one lot just makes you look like one...

This is Valve. They're voicing out against Valve. Valve has always treated their fan-base right. And they release one sequel in a timely manner instead of waiting a decade, and people are crying everywhere and having hissyfits and treating it like the world has ended.

It's not right, imo.

Look we understand that in your opinion you got your money's worth.. But how does your opinion of value make what valve is doing justifiable? Obviously these people are irritated that one of the most respected devs in gaming have been using some awfully questionable practices as of late....

You may be used to the poor practices of companies that make console games but valve is a pc developer and the following they have amassed respects them emensely. I am by no means trying to generalize console game devs but this sort of practice is very common and accepted in the console realm... This is not the case on the pc I too would be upset to see a company throw away years of great customer service in order to make a quick turn around..

So too you I say this please be respectful of others opinions, These people are upset about something, enough so to voiice their opinion.. If you cant see that they expect more from valve than this, well you have no buisness judging them.. You have the right to voice your own opinion as well. However you're trying to pass off your own percieved value as means to silence those who speak out then you really arent any better by your own standars..

@moparful99

hey man u got to stop living in the past the present is now and if vlave changing their tacticts thats life dude cant complaint about that

Which is EXACTKLY why people are upset. Valve usually don't go in for this kind of whoring but after the first game was light on content, which has yet to be rectified by DLC or proper mod support for the 360, and still a full price release UNLIKE other games meant to be played online people smell a rat and a change of heart.

They , also, could afford to cut the price of the game in half for weekends on steam but nothing for 360 gamers?

Look, people think Valve listen to them as they have been good at it in the past and this feels like a kick in the teeth because it's Valve and not the likes of Activision. If Valve are doing this what hope of any value from any company in the future. Games are dear enough without this kind of thin but if you want to pay more for less that's your call. Just remember you make it worse for evryone by lying down for this-why don't you want a great game AND value?

To me Warhawk did that by being priced correctly and I'd expect more from Valve, tbh. It has NOTHING to do with me not wanting, as I do desperately, more L4D-it's, in fact because I want even more L4D at the right price.

You expected mod support on the 360? I knew that was never going to happen, and still don't think it's going to happen. I bought it on the 360 because I wanted to play with my friends, not because I thought it was the value-added edition, that's obviously the PC - Which Valve has always favored, look at TF2. So if you were expecting your 360 version of the game to be worth more down the road, then you weren't thinking Valve, but I was when I bought the game, and recognized that it will be the inferior version, but I'd rather play it with my friends since it's co-op centric.

Valve told us they'd still be supporting L4D1. Honestly, I don't care that much, L4D keeps me interested regardless, I woulda been fine if everything stayed the same, since I still play that game to death, and never get bored. I go between campaign and verses binges.

So, anyways, I don't quite understand your argument. I'm "lying down and making it worse for everyone" by not expecting mod support for the 360, when it was clearly not going to happen? Or is it because I'm excited for a whole new game because it's going to be ... a whole new game, and I'm going to buy it?

Anyways, I played this game with my friends enough to be worth more than $60. Months upon months, hours into the night every day.. Ridic. and I can't imagine L4D2 being any different. So I'll throw my money at Valve, because they're cool.

Gosh, that made me sound like a nerd. Sigh.

Believe that or not, but a one year development cycle doesn't justify a full priced product. I don't see how you could argue against that.

There's not much development going on, the source engine has been around for years, and I'm sure by now it would take no time for valve developers to tweak around the game and/or make a new one(l4d2).

Valve works on so many other things and here you guys are complaining about a 1 year development cycle and how the first game didn't get enough content.

If anything should be getting pulled up during these times. It's where the hell is Half-life 3.

All those who say "if you don't like it, don't buy it." I think that's what the petitioners are saying, but why not tell Valve why exactly they aren't going to purchase it? That's the great thing about freedom of speech.

that would be an awful worl if it were like that

Moderation would be in order, but the lack of any kind of passion from gamers this day and age leads to the acceptance of the RROD, DMC4's half-assed design, and game lengths being only 7 hours long (Heavenly Sword) because people are favoring flash over substance.

the majority of boycotters are the pc gamers

hey if i can pay $50 bucks for live for a year i can afford to pay $60 bucks for a new game :)

your mom must be proud.....lol

"I'm just really confused why everyone is so upset when they're releasing a new game that is just as large as the first game."

Because most people don't feel justified that they paid $60 for the first game knowing and expecting valve to be releasing extra DLC and expansions for the $60 that they payed. But instead valve is announcing a "sequel" and charging full price for it while shafting away their L4d fans.

"They're releasing 5 new campaigns (same number as L4D1), new weapons, new ammo types, a supposedly improved AI director, new special infected"

imo L4D is a very lackluster game to start with. there is really no story and only 4 maps, 1 Multyplyer mode and 8 similar guns and that's it. So it's really isn't that hard to slap some extra level's and add features that should've been in the first version anyway and call it L4d2 so they can charge full price for it

"and they're still gonna support L4D1"

You really think they'll support L4D1 when L4d2 is so close to being release? That's not a very smart business move for them.

"You wanted them to update this in DLC? Seriously? That's a lot of stuff to just download over the internet."

I guess your not a pc gamer, game patches can be well over a GB sometimes and maps can be huge as well. So the downloading part is a regular occurrence for pc gamers.

"I guess I don't understand the position because I didn't buy L4D1 but I know several people who did who are ecstatic about round 2"

If you don't understand the position then why did you claim that you "don't see how this is such a big deal." i also know 25000 people who are unhappy about this "round 2".

the PC's ability but I'm thinking more about the 360 gamers and I can only go off what they say unless you can see the future and know exactly what they're gonna do.

They say they will still support the first one so that's all you can believe right now since there's no reason not to. Valve has always taken care of their customers. I understand some people might be upset but you can either buy it or you can't.........you can afford it or you can't

It seems pretty cut and dry to me

"the PC's ability but I'm thinking more about the 360 gamers and I can only go off what they say unless you can see the future and know exactly what they're gonna do."

Well most of the boy cotters are pc gamers, since most 360 owners are kids or casual gamers so they don't care what they get.

"They say they will still support the first one so that's all you can believe right now since there's no reason not to."

YES there is, they said that since the release of ld4 but all we got is a new mode. here check this out http://www.youtube.com/watc...

"Valve has always taken care of their customers."

imo the modders do most the work.

"I understand some people might be upset but you can either buy it or you can't.........you can afford it or you can't "

Or you can start a backlash and change things rather then just accept things the way they are which is a sure sign that freedom is in the decline.

life has more dimensions then just one, we need to look at things differently and speak out when we feel that they are wronging us. or thing will become worst.