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Why Left 4 Dead fans should calm down about Left 4 Dead 2

Big Download doesn't like to editorialize in news stories but it's pretty clear that a lot of Left 4 Dead fans are very upset about Valve's surprise reveal during E3 2009 about Left 4 Dead 2. The game's new official message boards are full of comments saying basically, "Valve's releasing a sequel too quickly for us; this should be a free content update for the original game." As Valve's Doug Lombardi told BD during their play time with a build of the game this past week, "This is something new for us." By "new" he meant that this time Valve is not waiting for years to release a commercial follow-up to one of their major games. (Half-Life 2: Episode 3, hello?)

Many fans are not happy because they feel the original game (still a top 10 best selling PC game in retail stores months after release) will be forgotten now with Left 4 Dead 2's announcement. Again, Lombardi assured them at E3 that is not the case, promising that the first game will still be getting updates and new content (although exactly what they have planned is still a mystery). Lombardi also told Rock Paper Shotgun that any maps made for Left 4 Dead's SDK will work for Left 4 Dead 2.

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WildArmed6203d ago

because if they develop/upgrade the engine the game would be better than you can imagine.

I just hope valve get over their current source engine and move up a bit.
If gameplay meets graphics, this game could be what Left4Dead wanted to be.
*points at CGI vs gameplay*

Pandamobile6203d ago

You do know that all of Valve's trailers are done in-engine, right?

The L4D intro movies, the TF2 Meet the Team videos, all done in a tool within the Source engine itself.

The only difference between game-play and the trailers is full screen object motion blur which is added in post production.

WildArmed6203d ago

all i'm saying the source engine needs work.
If u have to tweak the videos to make em look better than they are in-game.
Then u need to bring it up a notch.

Valve has kinda grinded the source engine to the ground.
how about a new engine?

mistajeff6203d ago (Edited 6203d ago )

Source engine isn't exactly one engine, it's a hodge-podge (love that term) of tools and assets that they sort of cement together into an engine. They update it one piece at a time, currently they've only been focusing on the AI and doing the whole director thing.

EDIT: at least that's what i remember from reading interviews, i don't wanna go stating this and have it turn out to be completely false

SaberEdge6203d ago

I think the graphics in Left 4 Dead are just fine. Certainly good enough to present the game well and allow users to have fun. That is what games are about--fun. Remember?

Graphics matter, but judging by the trailer the graphics have been spruced up and the graphics weren't bad to begin with. When the difference in graphics is like between the Wii and the 360 or PS3, then yes it can have a noticeable impact. But when the difference is relatively minor like between Left 4 Dead 2 and other next gen shooters, then no, other things become much more important.

Anyway, I do think the people trying to boycott Valve are overreacting. We have already received some free downloadable content for Left 4 Dead and Valve are saying more is on the way. This is great, considering that many of us thought the game was well worth it solely based on the content it shipped with. Left 4 dead was one of the funnest games I played last year and nothing is going to stop me from enjoying the sequel.

-chaz-6203d ago

Source makes decent upgrades to their engine with every game they release. While some criticize the graphics for not being as good as other games, it's actually intentional.

Like the Call of Duty engine, Source is based on an older engine tuned for high frame rates even on older hardware. It's not as effects heavy as something like the Crysis engine, but gets better performance on fast-moving games.

Defectiv3_Detectiv36203d ago (Edited 6203d ago )

The last L4D didn't have much content, it relied on its replayability. To me, it felt like it should have been bundled w/ other games, kind of like the Orange box. 60$ is a lot of money to pay for a game, especially when you consider Valve didn't support the console version w/ patches.

I really don't think I'll be buying anymore Valve software in the future. Team Fortress Classic is one of my all time favorite games, I couldn't figure out why TF2 was so disappointing. It took Valve over a year to finally start improving it, and by that time, the online community had abandoned it.

Pandamobile6203d ago

Are you serious? TF2's community has increased tremendously since its launch.

At least triple what it started off with before the Medic update.

evrfighter6203d ago (Edited 6203d ago )

I like this part

"The game's new official message boards are full of comments saying basically, "Valve's releasing a sequel too quickly for us; this should be a free content update for the original game.""

Noooo wrong. I frequent the steam forums. They are saying

"Wtf Valve, what about all the interviews you guys did saying you'd be adding new weapons, new characters, new infected, and new campaigns to vanilla L4D?...I'm not buying this crap until you put your money where your mouth is"

Threats of a Boycott have worked against even the almighty moneygrubbing EA before. I see no reason why it wouldn't work against the highly reputable Valve.

kwicksandz6202d ago

I have read alot of ill informed garbage in my time in this site but that about takes the cake. TF2 is more alive now than it ever was. Valve Has numbers that show as much!

I suspect your brain is rotting from too much time in playstation home.

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Gun_Senshi6203d ago

i just wish L4D2 has way more content then L4D1 to justify full price game and not DLC or expansion.

Daz6203d ago

so you know everthing about l4d2?

Gun_Senshi6203d ago

I said "I WISH". Maybe it has maybe it does, but I wish it does.

interrergator6203d ago

hope they add more sh!t durin the summer but ill still buy it kuz i want to CHAINSAW SOMEONE :)

Pandamobile6203d ago

It does. Valve said L4D2 will ship with 5 full campaigns, Survivor mode for almost all the maps, and all5 campaigns will have VS. counterparts.

mastiffchild6203d ago

I guess my issues with this stem rom the fact that, basically the first gam feels light as full retail release as it's, to all intents and puposes purely an online game where the SP is just a light training session for the mp goodies. This being the case why was it a full price release and why should it be fair enough to do the same again?

Warhawk or Socom aren't and weren't full price and UT3 got the same criticism as L4D did from me and others. DLC, mods or not I still don't think full price is justified without a real SP campaign and that's also something which would make the game liable to be one of the all time great shooters rather than just a great hoot to play with some mates now and again-I feel it deserves a SP in line with the quality of the co-op and MP so why not?

If they can just do the same again and charge full for it I'm afraid I see why not and I don't expect this from Valve. I speak as someone who's actually bought the first game three times(twice for 360 cos of a dog sccident and also for PC)just to play with all my mates but I still think this looks like a cash in.

We've been asked to swallow lots this gen(Bethesda's constant habit of making gamers buy games for the dubious priveledge of QA testing them for them, "exclusive" meaning nothing anymore, DLC cons like Capcom forced on us with SF costimes and the Vs content for RE5, Sonm being arrogant and telling us to take extra jobs and MS foisting faulty hardware on us. I don't like to be told to swallow what looks like some more when I'm full of this stuff. I'm happy to apologise o Valve if they make the sequel correctly and it's full value but what they announced so far doesn't seem like it will be.

Marcelles256203d ago

thats one more level than the first one?

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Rhezin6203d ago

wow feel sorry for LFD fans. To pay another $60 for a game that has the size of a large DLC package is a waste. That's too bad the game looked cool, but it looks like this IP is heading down the rip-off road.

360DownINflames6203d ago

L4D sucked in the 1st place, glad it didnt come to the Ps3... Download it for my PC if anything but doubtful just wasnt fun.

Kaneda6203d ago

they need this game. This is only one of the few games they got this year. :) so they have to make it a new game instead DLC. :)

SaberEdge6203d ago

You guys are silly. Left 4 Dead 2 contains as much content and improvements as any sequel should.

I am going to buy it and enjoy it. You guys do what you want.

mistajeff6203d ago

People, people, c'mon. Let's all calm down and b!tch about the real issue here.

WHERE THE FLYING F@CKITY F@CK IS EPISODE 3!?!?!?!?! Maybe my memory is a little shotty on account of my years of wild hedonism, but I'm pretty sure Lombardi said they were going to reveal it before 2009, or at least a month or two after the year change.

solar6203d ago

put me up for wanting Ep.3 more than any other game thats gonna come out in the next 3 years. screw GoW3, screw the new Trico Project, screw Diablo 3, screw Champions Online, give me Ep.3 :D

-chaz-6203d ago

Episode 3 is going to be the sh!t. Knowing how Valve works they'll not release something until it is done right.

Tehdaza6203d ago

Valve really have missed the point of episodic gaming. When they announced Episode 1 back in 2005 I was expecting a game every 8 months or so just to wrap up the HL2 story.

Little did I know that we would still be waiting for the final chapter 5 years later.

mistajeff6203d ago

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with them taking their sweet time to make it perfect. But they teased us about showing SOMETHING (more than concept art), and now I have blue balls.

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deshon096203d ago

maybe just maybe it didn't take for ever for them to make a new game thats always a +

WAR_MACHINE776203d ago

It's not really about how fast L4D2 is coming out, but more of an issue with the fact that L4D was lacking in content. L4D only had 4 campaigns and most weren't available for Vs. mode (I think it was only "no mercy" that had Vs. but I may be wrong), so L4D2 being announced now seems like a rip off because it seems that if L4D had been delayed then all this content would have been included and made a more well rounded game.

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Top Horde Shooters Your Squad Should Play

The Guide Hall explores the top horde shooters that co-op fans should be playing this year before the upcoming launch of Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2!

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15 Xbox Games That Should Make the Multiplatform Jump

While there’s likely already a list behind closed doors, one can still speculate and offer logical suggestions for titles new and old that should find their way into the PlayStation and Switch libraries.

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GamerRN807d ago

Single A games and live service games. Those make sense

S2Killinit807d ago

None of it makes sense. But its happening.

Ps5conehead807d ago

That’s up to Microsoft they want return on there investment. From buying up those publishers. That’s what there in business for. And they made a mistake putting day one exclusive on game pass. So now Microsoft wants to profit any way they can.its called buisness . Just like Sony putting games on pc a year are two after ps5 launch.
So if they can make money off PlayStation and Nintendo. They will do that. And I bet soon real soon they will release some aaa exclusives .and I bet one day it will be same day release

TheEroica807d ago

Sony gamers begging for Xbox games.... Who would've thunk it?

BISHOP-BRASIL807d ago

Yeah, because random site off the internet represents all Sony gamers, they have the letter of attorney and all...

S2Killinit807d ago

Lol what a spin. You dizzy?

AsunaYuukiTheFlash806d ago (Edited 806d ago )

We don’t care about shovelwares. Get that junk out of PS5

StormSnooper806d ago

More like MS begging to put their games on PlayStation.

TheEroica805d ago

Keep begging Sony gamers!

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Friendlygamer807d ago

Some of these seem to be exclusive for lack of enthusiasm of the publisher rather than because of deals. A lot of cool indies skip ps for some reason like katana zero, el paso, elsewhere and gunbrela

S2Killinit807d ago

Even more indies skip xbox. We know that right?

Friendlygamer807d ago

Quality over quantity, Microsoft got some really interesting and curated niche games on their machines, maybe in part because of gamepass

S2Killinit807d ago

Quality and MS are not things you bring up in same sentence.

shinoff2183807d ago (Edited 807d ago )

Alot of indies skip xbox to. It goes round and round. Personally I think your off base on that but no need to have the argument.

Friendlygamer807d ago

Between katana zero, valheim, Battletech, el passo... I don't feel off base. maybe ps got a million of light novel games that will never release on Xbox but like I've said, I'm talking about niche games highlights, the 10%.

  Heck, it's probably thanks to Microsoft that the s.t.a.l.k.e.r games came to console ps included, meanwhile Sony backwards compatibility continues to be extremely anemic.

And I'm sure most ps5 users are happy to ignore these games and just play wathever new 3rd person action game is trending but it's cool that Microsoft gives some love to smaller audiences and software preservation

shinoff2183807d ago

Again your off base just to be snide. All it's showing though is your ignorance.

One light novels wtf is that even. Ps has plenty of pretty damn good indies.

Speaking of indies and ms being responsible. You know F.I.S.T. of course you do alot of you guys just support gamepass. Well here's a history of Sony being responsible for helping indies. Look up the China project from Sony.

Lastly lol your ignorance showing again. Sony has plenty of games. Personally third person is better then first anyway but that's besides the point. Sony gets so many games that xbox doesn't get because yall don't support the games. Jrpgs being a great example. I personally am not into every Sony first party game. Alot of us aren't. On the other side you don't get to eat often so you gobble up everything. Me personally God of War not my cup, etc. For me I'm into jrpgs and ms just can't touch Sony on those. Again because the Xbox base doesn't support it. Devs dont wanna waste their time or money. Hit me up when falcom develops a game over there.

Speaking of third person narrative games. Aren't yall drooling over hellblade 2. The first one was Sony exclusive at one point. Another not my cup game. Showing we don't have to fall in line and agree we love everything Sony puts out. The facts are they sell though unlike elsewhere(not nintendo)

StormSnooper806d ago

You are same person as GamerRN, yes?

Abnor_Mal807d ago

They really think PlayStation fans would want to play Redfall? Pfft.

Personally nothing on that list would be any game I’d want to play.

TwoPicklesGood807d ago

I’d absolutely love Hellblade 2, Palworld, and Quantum Break on ps5 as I’m sure tons of others would too. There’s nothing wrong with wanting games from another console and its sad that people try to act like they aren’t interested in them.

shinoff2183807d ago

While indont agree with the games. I agree with the point. Your not wrong.

DarXyde807d ago

Sunset Overdrive makes very good sense. Palworld might.

Don't know about the others. Hellblade II does make sense given the original launched on PS4 first. Quantum Break was a massive letdown for me. I absolutely hated the whole TV show thing and I don't think anyone should have to relive that on modern hardware.

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Valve Made Left 4 Dead 2 Because The First Game Was A Broken Mess

Left 4 Dead lead Chet Faliszek describes the original Left 4 Dead game as "such a broken thing that nobody wanted to touch it."

ZycoFox919d ago

And then couldn't be arsed to make a third game.

If they can add a lot more stuff to a 2nd game in just 1 year why didn't they make a third game a few years later with tons of stuff extra? Because that shows they could've.

I know Source 2 was kind of broken and was a reason they cancelled L4D3 but it seems wasteful to just toss it away.

Don't know what Valve were thinking.. it's like nobody wanted to fix the issues to get going. They certainly aren't the Valve of 2004 that released fun games with pretty cutting edge graphics.

cthulhucultist917d ago

Valve is allergic to number 3 it seems. It would be easier for them to release a Left 4 Dead 2.5 enhanced version instead of releasing a game with "3" slapped on its title.

rakentaja916d ago

They stopped making games a long time ago. Steam brings in so much money that it's really not worth the effort. Nowadays, people only look for faults in games, and spend more time whining on Twitter/X than playing the game anyway. Valve says a big fat no-no.

anast917d ago

Value is the Blockbuster of video games. They have no need to invest in deving a game, when they can make handfuls of cash renting them.

-Foxtrot919d ago

What are they talking about? Seemed pretty alright to me at launch it just wasn't supported the way Valve promised us

They should have just worked on a revamp / massive update to the game but they didn't they jumped straight to a sequel with brand new characters despite having some sort, if small, story about where the original survivors were heading.

I didn't care for the direction they took the sequel, the original games tone and atmosphere was missing in the second game and is still unmatched. Daytime levels, more whackiness, melee weapons where you could attack a Tank with a frying pan...just wasn't the same to be honest and the new survivors just didn't hold up the originals.

Here's my speculation. I think they did a sequel because they didn't want to update a game co-developed by Turtle Rock, they wanted the franchise to be known as a Valve game only and knew if they updated the first one Turtle Rocks name would still linger on it.

shaenoide917d ago

I want broken games like L4D all day long...

GhostScholar917d ago

Well the first game was by far the best

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