proxy i am not saying im better than anyone, or that i spend hours and hours of gaming, actually i dont, they are just removing the challenges from games cause they are 'hard' to get.

what is the fun of playing a game were achievements are random? what is the purpose of an acheivement then? like saying wow i got the acheivement of killing someone who killed me at the same time... ye so what? but getting that achievement and it leads to something bigger it's nice.

i got 7 unlocks in 1 map today :/ and i hated it.

the way you are seeing things, a rank system is useless in a game, because the people who play a for an hour a day cant compete with players who game for 8 hours a day.

the idea of a reward system is to actually reward you for what you have accomplished, not doing it randomly. At least do it randomly but not so frequently. Like it happens one in a million.

and you mention MMORPGs, yes to be honest i used to play mmorpgs, and one thing I liked about it is that when you raid there is only 1 or two drops of an Epic item for a 24 man raid. not a whole bagful of epics which makes the point of acheiving that item useless.

it would be better in this case to just include all stuff from the beginning, if you want equality and you are against a reward system.

but if like me you like rewards for your efforts then let us go back to the acheivement scheme.

If you DON'T want TF2 to be a MMORPG, then give everyone every weapon.
If you want TF2 to be a LITTLE like a MMORPG, use random unlocks.
If you want TF2 to be a LOT like a MMORGP, give the weapons to acheivement whores and nobody else.

Maybe I'm old fashion, but I like those FPS where everyone has the same weapons and abilities, and then it all comes down to skill. MMO's and single player games are great for unlocks. I don't want TF2 to be a MMORPG, so the new system is a step in the right direction IMO, but they could do better by giving everyone every weapon.

Today, everyone clamors for recognition from random faceless internet people, "look at my achievements," or "I've unlocked this gun and you haven't." Congratulations. If your lucky, your "achievement" may bring you a hollow compliment, from someone you'll never see again.

what i dont agree is that currently tf2 is in the middle. and this system is not working. you cannot have unlocks based on both achievements and randomness.

if you are going for a reward based system then some weapons have to be restricted, take as an example battlefield 2 or 2142, (i havent played bc). the game is based on a very deep reward system and for people who like that scheme then yes you should have weapons unlocked as you level up, or perform some action.

if you want a heavy competitor game were it boils down to ONLY skill, then go for an all weapon scheme, like UT3.

but this really going according to preference mate.
what i said regarding the noob thing is that team fortress 2 began using the achievement scheme at first and it worked for some people. others found it too hard and started complaining (they have every right to do so). currently valve are testing out this system so they try to please both ideologies but i think that in that aspect its failing. IMO if they want to do this random thing, it is better to just give all weapons to everyone but then they would have to scrap the achievement scheme.

personally i think that the acheivements and unlocking weapons by achievements is fun. its not comparable to an MMO im sorry. just because you have to study to get a degree at university doesnt mean that you compare it to an MMO. its a reward scheme, if people do not like it they can go to other games which don't have it. hell ut3 is an amazing game which does not use this system.