perhaps we could use the Ps3 to build a time machine to bring back a copy of FF13 before i die of old age.

@nbnt: Haha yeah. The TRICO trailer alone invoked more emotion in me than most current gen games out now lol!. Don't worry i'll get you one lol!.

PS3 > 360

I have no doubt in my mind the 360 can pull of great stuff and I know it's not maxed out but I have a feeling the PS3 will push graphics father but I hope they don't loose gameplay... I hope they don't trade us the hardcore market for the sales of the casual market.

If they release some Wii controller I won't be too happy but I'm not selling my PS3 or buying the 'addition'

Hehe sry i had to use google translator for this.
I see you like the news^^

thank you SONY thank you very very much for giving us this state of art technology
i knew that the CELL is very powerful but thanks again sony .
the things that i loved very much in my gaming life
1 - sega's sonic the hedgehog ( i love that hedgehog ) go sonic go
2 - sony's care for the leading innovations and for there consumers too .
i was a sega fan first but now iam a very happy sony fan ( the end )

not time travel, I am waiting for the 20 million ps3s folding to go "ding" trophy - cancer cured :P

the power of cell:

PLAYSTATION 3 CELL CPU IS BETTER THAN 360

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

ken kutagi interview (thats the man :P) talking of power of cell:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

i want teh inFamous

and teh Trico

and teh MAG

since Cell is so powerful, the other parts of PS3 don't catch up such as RSX. I heard from various interviews from SONY first party developers that Cell, in fact, helps out RSX in graphic while it does everything normal CPU supposes to do.

For PS4, I am pretty sure SONY will not mistake again by putting something "ordinary" while one of the chips is super-extraordinary.

cell ps3 =/= cell in pc's / servers

Wait a min guys MOOKS Knows more than this guy
i will wait for him

he said the xbox can fly a plane and it will calculate a plane flying 700mph into a building and dodge them at .01 seconds before they cash and land safe without errors or burning out

the xbox can also stop the world and make it go backwards

he said chuck norris has nothing when the xbox comes
and this guy can cure cancer with his tears man

xbox xbox xbox

let me tell you
Microsoft is failing software
Sony is now Hardware and software and king on the console world

so xbox can take its plane landing and world moving bag of crap and stick it up pps ass

So this idea of ps4 having no gpu, only cellBE seems possible now, keep in mind that the improvement of the cell is taking 2 different routes, one is improving cellBE but so that ps3 software can still run on it, and improving the cellBE disregarding the ps3, which will probably be what the ps4 uses.

Thats AMAZING!

Let me think how great Trico and God of War 3 will be! My jaw dropped when I saw the "Epic-Scale Trailer" of God of War 3. And the Trico Trailer blowed me completly away. Imagine how revolutionary those two games will look/play/feel, thanks to the Cell processor! At E3 we will see the latest build of GOW 3 and at TGS the latest build of Trico, prepare to be blown away. Those two games are the MAIN reason, why I bought the Playstation 3!

B-b-but teh cell...

I think I read all the above comments. Maybe I missed something? I'm surprised there wasn't the usual joker(s) using the "processor doesn't translate to games" arguement.

This doesnt make the playstation 3 and his games less awesome!

This is coming from an i7 and PS3 owner.

I love both. But seriously my Core i7 PC with 6GB of RAM and a GTX 285 (along with Nvidia's Physx) murders the PS3. I compare them side to side just for fun with Fallout, Far Cry, GTA and more. The difference is like night & day.

The cell is nice, but at the end of the day the PS3's GPU holds the system back from comparing it game performance wise to an i7 PC equipped with a high end GPU.

the xbox is so powerful it can print money from its disk tray

have egg on their face now but wait there will be more as times goes by.

You people should have never doubted the father of The Playstation.

All of that CPU power doesn't matter when games are GPU bound today and not CPU bound.

@9.2

Do you have experience with the Cell?

I am asking because you seem to state your opinions soundly as if it were the case.

Who needs Teh Cell when we have last-gen technology.

Teh last gen tech is just as good!!!

Why go out and buy some Grade A prime rib meat when you got Teh cold McDonalds left-overs from last week in the fridge.

LOL! My god. The logic from the Microsoft Butt-Buddies is seriously twisted.

2 thoughts:

1, how closer would the results be with a decent overclock of the i7? i've got a 50% overclock on my i7 920 DO and i know i could push it to about 65% if i wanted to piss arse around.

2, how does the cell compare to an 8core mac pro?

the only thing that seems to be realy make this whole artical pointless is the cost of the ps3 vs i7 machines and especialy an i7 965

A friend of mine explain to me the history of creating the cell and why it is so power. The only down side to this is that is only available for the ps3. So computer engineers can't use its potential in a PC.

How many times a day do PS fans have a feel good circle jerk to make themselves feel better about their console? It's like an AA meeting in here.

A typical evening on N4G:

PS3 is so awesome.
Yes, bless you brother, tis PS3 is the lord jesus itself.
Amen brother bob, the PS3 has brought the light into my life.
Bubbles for you all for giving me a Sony based erection.
Oh my, is this the four o'clock PS fan feel good convention?
Yes it is brother, join us and bask in the glow of Sony.
OH PRAISE SONY FOR ALL THE GOOD THEY BROUGHT INTO MY LYFE.
OH SWEET SWEET SONY, TAKE US TO A BETTER PLACE, WE PRAISE YOUR NAME!!!
I wonder what those Xbox Sinners are doing.
Probably somewhere in hell, killing kids and raping women.
Yeah, those people are scum.
Yeah.

Jesus Fn Christ, people, will you believe any and everything these people say about anything remotely positive about the PS3? I bet you guys would smoke more cigarettes if they were made by SCEA wouldn't you?

-_-

I'm out.
*goes and plays Guitar Hero 3*

all i know is that the ps3's cell processesor is the weakess of all the other cell's i mean its the same infuctrusture and design just less powerful than the others.

i know ibm has some other type of cells worked out for other products and what not.

but at 8 spe's, the ps3 cell still is a force to be reckon with no doubt.

now i assume that the ps4 will go with another cell just differently design this time something like double or tripple the number of spe's.

and an rsx upgrade.

a system ram of 2gbs should do it, and a 6 or 8 bluray read speeds.

probably 6 to save some money.

but ps3 is technacle the ps4, just like the cell in the ps3 is to the other cells at ibm labs.

on topic, now imagine if the ps3 had more ram? coupled with the rsx?

you are speaking as if the ps3 was made the same way you built your PC
it is different you cant say this thing can or this thing cant
sony is a hardware company ( the cell works in a harmony way with the RSX )
and guess what you cant say the same about MS and there xplode cause you know Ms is a software company ( i was thinking until vista appeared in the picture ) they know nothing about building a system to last so long ( like sony )
thats why the xbox is pretty much like a PC in everything
and MS wants you to believe the PS3 is too lol i bet they dont know how the PS3 works

This entire thread is a sony fanboy jerkoff. Jesus. O_o

go shove that power brick in ur arses cause mr. kutaragi jus R@PED you with the power of the cell.

People commenting about the RSX + Cell, saying that the RSX is crap and that the Cell shouldn't be used to help it out are thinking about it all wrong.

This is exactly why initially developers had such a hard time wrapping their collective heads around the technology itself. They came into it thinking it would perform like a computer, when in actuality it has simularities of a computer but it's language and pathways are alien in today's tech.

It's tough for people to break the mold of what they are used too but when they do it's usually a fantastic result, and eventually others will follow.

Here's an example. Your a Doctor about to perform a difficult operation.

Would you A: Try to do everything yourself?

Or B: gather some Nurses and other Surgeons to help the operation move more smoothly?

The Nurses and Surgeons are the Cells SPU's, why not utilize them as well?

What we've been saying all along.
Devs are getting a better handle of it.
Proof is in the exclusives, none of this Unreal Engine 3 crap.

And yes, 360 is teh suck of course.
Mediocrity be gone! Mwuahahaha.

see this is the typical stupid sony BS that the company want's us to believe Like the PS3 is some sort of miracle machine sent from the beyond I take this article as a funny joke and nothing more I bet next thing sony is going to claim is the PS3 can allow you to fly and you know cure cancer

on the fanboy topic surely if you only own one machine and have had more good times than bad times your going to stick up for it. As i feel i have to mention to many times i own all three consoles and see each for thier own merits. my ps3 and wii have never palyed up where as my 360 broke within the first month and the replacment has played up a couple of times. I preffer the wii for casual party gaming but the build quality and few examples of gaming next gen supremicy that the ps3 is a great machine and has a much long life span. this is not being a fanboy in anyway and if people only have a ps3 because they made the correct choice in the first place they are just saying the correct truth it's just they are unable to back thier opinions up with any creditable 360 or wii experiance

Are you an idiot or what? the CELL based architecture is what makes up the PS3's insides you dumb idiot, the PS3 isn't something separate from the CELL, if your talking about the plastic cover then YEAH! sure some pieces of plastic are holding the CELL's power back lol

The reason why the true potential of the CELL hasn't been unleashed yet is because the tools needed to do so don't even exist or are still in development. Gradually they will become available to the developers who could then create mind blowing games only possible on the PS3. You have to also remember that CELL Processing is completely new and its the future of gaming and it's only going to get better for the PS3 from hear and onwards.

cause before.. I didnt know any of this. So without sugar coding it, and plain out loud, with no guilt, I can say the words I was trying to say for the past time.. Playstation3 is better than xbox360, and this is fact? Im not wrong?

POWER OF THE CELL. \o/

I think everyone know if you using the PS3 for the same task over and over it excells.

It is a pity games dont work like that.

Sony wrap up: Truth.
Where a. shadow at. I wanna hear homie, spit it.

@Shadow Man
"The only down side to this is that is only available for the ps3. So computer engineers can't use its potential in a PC. "

Wrong Again. Do some research.

"1U Dual Cell-Based Server

The 1U Dual Cell-Based Server is the first 1U server available with the IBM® Cell Broadband Engine (BE) processor. It is designed to deliver an unprecedented 410 GFLOPS of performance in a rack-mountable 1U server for compute-intensive embedded applications such as video, image processing, medical imaging, and seismic processing. Open architecture rack-based servers, like the 1U Dual Cell-Based Server, are increasingly used in aerospace and defense platforms such as ships, land-mobile vehicles and airborne platforms."

http://www.mc.com/mediacent...

http://www.informationweek....

More Models

http://www-03.ibm.com/syste...

http://www-03.ibm.com/syste...

WOW look at this company Fixstars what they are offering, a PC card with Cell and 4GB RAM :o

http://us.fixstars.com/stor...

obviously you ps3 fanboys just want to justify your purchase here but whatever, ill try and knock some sense into you. As ps3 fanboys or console fanboys would not know is that pc components are not universal. What i mean by that is that developers have to program the games for that platform of a component. For example, with graphics cards. On the last remanent for pc, a normal graphics card gets about 5 FPS on the highest settings. The second best graphics card in the world only gets 3 FPS. Do you know why, it is because the developers did no t program the game to utilize the 2 in 1 crossfire setup. So it had to use its raw backup power basically to play the game. It is the same example for this. Obviously a program or game that is made specifically for the ps3 will run way better on ps3. They probably didn't even program the test that they used for multi core possibility so the i7 was probably running off one of its cores. So if you multiply the 18 FPS by the 4 cores that the i7 has. it would really get 65+ FPS. The truth is the i7 on a raw computing test would beat the ps3 probably 10 fold and probably even more than that.

Another thing is the ps3 uses a cell processor which is basically a hybrid between a cpu and a gpu. I bet when they did the test they weren't even using a GPU for the i7 which would explain it all. A CPU is for everything while the cell processor is for high mathematical calculations or what would be games. i bet with a decent GPU, the i7 would get 100+ FPS.

I think that the people is speaking without wanting to know what we are talking about. This is an h264 encoder. I do not see the purpose of talk and talk about FPS and videogames . In addition, we can not see the bench in the original source, Fixstars.

http://translate.google.es/...

Fixstars

http://us.fixstars.com/news...

The articles is about video encoding. We are talking about videogames here not converting movies, rofl fanboys will take anything. Just because it beats out a i7 965 in one benchmark doesn't mean it will beat it in everything else. 2ndly, fixstars who tested it used a processor, the same processor that the PS3 uses, they didnt use a PS3 to do all this, retards. Other variables have changed of course, like what hard drives are using and how much ram is used it also says they used a gtx285, that is definately not found ina PS3, hell they're also testing this in Linux, what about Windows or OSX? I bet you these baffoons can't even get it to be optimized on most OS's, the Cell Processor is a joke to work with, that's why even Valve, one of the industry's best videogame company's refused to work with the PS3.

This has nothing to do with the PS3 itself, just the processor. It's like saying the Xbox 360 is superior just because it uses multiple CPU's like the skulltrail mobo's are able to usee mutli-cpu and super computer's do.

Go back to your little caves you snickering snively little fanfags, and learn to read and comprehend how technology works and is conducted

First of all, I've been a lurker on here for the longest time, and I've read so many of these PS3 vs. XBOX arguments on which one is better. I'm a gamer at heart, but engineering and technology is my passion. I have a degree in both mechanical and electrotechnology working towards a masters and doctorate in both. and let me tell you that the ps3 is one of the most advanced technologies out there to date. This is just the beginning of parallel processing and microprocessing technology and I don't understand why there are so many haters out there that don't even know what this means to mankind and us gamers. The cellbe is leaps and bounds beyond anything out there right now and it is only improving. The cell be not only limits it to being used in television sets and video game consoles, but it is being considered to be used to almost anything and everything such as biomechanics(bionic arms/legs that replicate human movement). Believe me when I say this, but there are a lot of scientists and companies out there creating gargantuan amounts of buzz to using this technology in the advancement and evolution of mankind. This is only the first step. Sony knows they are sitting on a goldmine with this technology. So if you don't own a PS3 yet, I suggest you get one, or you are truly missing out. And for the person who metaphorically described the cellbe as the doctor/surgeon as the PPE and nurses/instruments being the spu's, I couldnt have described it any better myself. The XBOX 360 has nothing on the computing power of the cellbe, and if you deny that, you are symptomatically delusional, that's a fact.

Since I got a little off topic with my above post, if you were to run super-pi or hyper-pi on a cellbe against the i7 quad core, the cellbe would crush it mathematically speaking. And if you have no idea what I'm talking about, you have no validity in saying I'm wrong.

You are an idiot. your car analogy is completely moot. Reading your post I can tell you that you know nothing. Stay in school.

alright the Ps3 has the upper hand in the power department hands down. We knew this from day one despite all the 360 fans negligible knowledge of there own system. But where is all this power going. Killzone 2...Ok, i consider my self a pretty hardcore gamer and I got over the graphics and such pretty quick once i realized that i rather play COD4 than Killzone 2.

Showboating power is great, but its like showboating a touchdown when you are sitting inside a 10 ton tank. No work, no dedication, just raw power. You just sit back and watch the pretty show with no full feeling.

@LifesABeta

You really need to do your research. GPUs now days are built to do that. Developers are realizing the GPU's potential in the conversion and calculation department. That is why you can use Nvidia's latest line of GPU to convert movies, its faster than using your CPU. But that goes to show you that Technology evolves. so As for your comparision it is comparing Apples to oranges. I can easily say my Quad can Smash my brothers 1.6 GHZ cpu. But i can equally say the i7 can "smash" my quad.

that why PS3 is more powerful than bored XBOX360.
if u want powerful console.
BUY PS3. LOL

But an average computer with a decent graphics card will smear both the 360 and the ps3.

A good cpu like the i7 will out run a cell in almost every test.
The only reason the cell out does it with video, is it was designed to do that. Blu ray anyone?

did decide to go with Intel instead of the Cell! Hmmm i wonder why...

here is a reminder for all of you

HARDWARE NEVER CHANGES.

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

Hey Foxgod... can you say OWNED?

The cellbe can run a "packet" of super or hyper pi using 1 spu, meaning it can run 7 hyper pi's in parallel, its not all about clock speeds, its about the amount of work it can do in parallel. Please don't get me started on car's. Please. I have plenty of experience and knowledge in that department too being the owner of an 1991 RHD WRX Sti with over 500+ HP with Symmetrical AWD and an Ariel Atom with a upgraded centrifugal water cooled charger that only puts out 302rwhp. believe me, my atom destroys my awd car in both straightline and autocrossing. bikes are no match for my atom either, unless its a turbo busa. its all in the engineering kids.

All you fanboys need to be shot and put out of our misery!!

Anyone who read the article will have to acknowledge that some amazing leaps of illogic have been made by the author of the headline and the multitude of drooling ps3 diehards that have resulted in this crazy famnboy thread.

The truth of the matter is that the cell was made specifically to decode bluray movies.
Thus, it will be naturally faster at that kind of task.

The benchmark that gave rise to the headline was a new iteration of a bluray/H.264-Videos video encoding tool, which, unsurprisingly, runs very well on the processor which was desgined for streaming HD movies - the cell.

Hundreds of PS3 fans now believe in their hearts that the cell is indeed faster than the i7, which is unbelievably sad.
The truth is, that given any of 100 other benchmarking tools, the cell will fall woefully short, and not only against the i7!

Come on people!
Think!

A more appropriate headline would have been:
"PS3 Cell Processor faster at streaming/encoding movies than i7 965 XE"

... but I am guessing that would NOT have got the hits, nor would there have been as much frothing at the mouth from the ps3 fan-camp.

The net result?....
A round of short-lived, selfcongratulatory jubilation from ps3 owners, who rejoice in their delusion. (Read this thread for comfirmation.)
Haven't we been here before? In 2005?

Ps3 is cool!But 360 is Cooler because it got the games i like.An a 8million plus lead.So eat a fat babies d#ck sonyboys!

yes, the cellbe is faster than the i7, it just needs the proper software to show it. the hardware is there, the software isn't yet. just look at the improvements 1st party devs are showing off. same hardware, different software.

-Darth Vader

We knew that.

This is what leads to amazing technical achievements like: Uncharted, Killzone 2, Ratchet, Flower, & GOW 3.

the gamerzone should be moderated more, bring the fanboy discussions to the open zone.

Every 360 fanboy coming here to dismiss the abilities of the Cell, seems to have forgotten that designs for 360's CPU were "borrowed" by MS from Sony.

As of my post right now the article has 217 comments of those 168 contain either the words 360, PS3 fanboy or 360 fanboy.

I can't even tell the Gamer Zone from the Open Zone.

N4G at its finest. lol

Comments about the 'news' or just a substitute for a forum? Most comments are about others opinions deal with it.

OT response..meh.

Xbox 360 is undoubtedly the most powerful home entertainment system ever created by man, this is due to the perfect synergy and brilliance that the Xbox 360's award winning architecture brings, with it's Xenos and Xenon CPU/GPU combination with highly advanced EDRAM and unified RAM technology making the Xbox 360 easily capable of defeating the PS3 every single time in Eurogamer comparisons.

The PS3 is the perfect example of disastrous engineering and putting Sony's corporate interests over an approach that is more favourable to developers and publishers. The CELL processor will be remembered as an incredible failure, unable to match the Xbox 360's power even Sony tacked on the RSX because they knew it could not defeat the Xbox 360's superior architecture.

The Xbox 360 is an example of a fine artwork, a classic for the ages and it truly has become more than the sum of its parts, while the PS3 struggles to play even the most basic titles that Xbox 360 easily powers through.

All one has to do is look at the games to see the Xbox 360 is the most powerful system on the marketplace today, starting at $199, which is why everyone is Jumping In.

Back in late 2006, I got my first "next gen" console, an Xbox 360. A white 20GB "premium" model. This was roughly a year after it came out and it had a decent enough lineup when I was used to PS2/Xbox. The 360 was amazing but no joke...I really wanted the PS3 more. I dreamed about the day it would come out and when it finally did, I gawked at the incredibly high price tags ($499 for stipped 20GB, $599 for the 60) and lack of quality games at launch. In 2007 I was rocking my 360 and became a huge Xbot. 2007 was the "Year of the 360" and it was on top on the world it seemed. Good games, unbeatable online, it delivered. When I heard news that Sony was changing up the PS3 by dropping the 20GB and reducing the price and then discontinuing the 60, I bought the last 60GB on my local Best Buy's shelf. It was August 2007, in the thick of the 360's hay day and probably the lowest point in the PS3's lifetime.

To cut this story short, PS3 has come a VERY long way since the day I bought it. Xbox 360 has kind of stalled since 2007 while PS3 has made strides to become the console we all know it can be. It now has vastly superior games 360 and online is damn near par. What's more, the PS3's future looks super bright. I never thought I'd see the day my PS3 collection would outgrow my 360's but it has and will continue to put the distance.

*applaud's Sony's effort*

how many times have you bought one? You forgot to mention how reliable it is.

Where's Foxgod?