Microsoft is in a position of dominance over sony. They are forever satisfied as long as they outsell sony. So don't expect much from them until things change.

Microsoft dropped the ball this time, last generation they had a first party that really pushed the system to its limits, (FASA, Bungie, etc). They had a equal harmony of console pushers and gameplay pushers, now that balance has been overthrown, if PD2 is real it will probably be the console pusher in my opinion.

If anything the DVD factor really hurts the console, HD DVD was a perfectly reasonable option and Microsoft was set to gain greatly if HD DVD won. (licensing fees from their codecs and the HDi interface)

Problem is, HD DVD would have increased the price of the console and probably delayed its launch bringing it very, very close to the PS3 and Wii, probably killing the jump it had to get developers on board as well as consumers.

If you're sick of hearing it then stop asking them. The jouranlist was the one who asked Heavy Rain producer. He didn't just bring it up.

You know what I'm sick of? Lame gaming sites bringing up lame sensational headlines like this one that has ZERO news. YOUR OPINION IS NOT NEWS. And for crying out loud this exact same thing was posted yesterday, maybe by another lame game site.

If it was being said about 360 games these fake ass journalists wouldn't have a problem.

To be honest, it doesn't really matter. There were a ton of games that could only run on the Xbox, yet the PS2 still demolished it in quantity and quality. In the end only the games matter, the graphics are just a plus.

@Spoony: That's a good point. But I have to wonder how much it's the dev saying it and how much it's journalist asking about it.

Maybe if they stopped asking about it they'd stop hearing about it. Maybe.

I agree with RememberThe357 and bubbles for such a intelligent comment. Graphics don't mean everything.

I do think however that even more people would hate MS now if last gen they had all their devs pointing out that it couldn't run on the PS2.

EDIT: Perhaps it is the journalist trying to get some hits by having something contraversial but it seems to me like a prepared response.

I take it as PR talk, nothing more. I own both, I have a superb hdtv and I just don't see this graphics gap between the best looking 360 games vs best looking ps3 games. Then again I don't have x-ray vision and I never counted the pixels on screen. So I guess me and my friends are just normal gamers that laugh at those who swear this or that game can't be done on the other console.

Pirate: The drives were relatively cheap at the time and Microsoft was apparently already making a profit on the 360 at launch. According to various ex HDi team members Toshiba had given Microsoft prototype HD DVD drives in mid 2005, they could have easily set things up without delaying launch, worst case by a few weeks. Given the PS3 was delayed Microsoft would still have a lead, how much? I don't know.

They may have taken a hit at launch but it could be assumed the format war would have lasted longer or even the scenario that HD DVD would have won had the 360 ensured success at a good pricepoint. Every Blu Ray and HD DVD that uses the VC-1 codec Microsoft makes a cut from, had Blu Ray also used HDi Microsoft would be making a even bigger cut. In the long run if Microsoft did something with HD DVD they could have stood to make a more money in the long run.

This is all just bullshit from all the game developers. Ofcourse Killzone2 might not be playable by X360 in its current form, there might be some effects that it cant handle, but same goes in both sides.

Games can be developed for every platform, within limits of that platform. There might be some things that X360/Ps3/Wii cant handle, but it doesnt make it imbossible to do similar game on these consoles.

Wiis wiimote is no exception. Ps3 and X360 could probably both handle similar gamepad without any trouble. USB:s are very versatile when it comes to things like gamepads. Same goes for PC games, gamepads can be inserted to PC and Keyboard and mouse can be inserted to consoles so no genre is imbossible due to "hardware" limitations.

Killzone does include really nice graphics, but thats just to cover of the book. If X360 cant handle some of the effects or graphics do something else instead what it can do. Same goes with Gears of war.

If one person posts an article the other guy posts an article saying he hates the way etc

If you want to argue with someone do it in the comments section not through articles!!!!!

@1.11

I remember when 360 was launched, some publication took one apart and added up the costs of the components, just like is dome with most electronics nowadays. The cost to MS of a launch 360 (pro model) was around $550. Adding an HD-DVD drive would have almost certainly put the retail cost of a 360 out of the reach of most people at the time. Fortunately for Sony, the power of the Playstation name allowed them to launch at a very high price point more successfully than any other company that has ever tried to launch a high priced console.

- Break within one week

This crazy damage control and fanboyism is only possible on ps3.

I remember the days when gameplay was the deciding factor for gamers.

That's everything but the PS3 ;)

He said "This crazy damage control and fanboyism is only possible on ps3."

I disagree. The comments we're talking about were comments from developers talking about their product, and who would know better what is required of their product than the people making it? If anything the ones who seem to be in damage control mode seem to be the 360 camp.
It's all very confusing to me. As someone pointed out earlier in another news thread, no one argued the Sega Genesis could handle Dreamcast games, no one argued that the PS2 could handle original Xbox games - it was just common sense that new hardware would outperform old, and we've seen this continue with the PS3 vs the 360. No one's taking anything away from the 360, it's a great system, it's just older, using older tech and we've seen the PS3 pulling away with exclusive game after exclusive game.

Why is this so threatening to 360 fans? It was only a matter of time before something better came along, just like it's only a matter of time until the PS3 is replaced. This does nothing to negate what these systems have to offer gamers. Everyone knows the PS2 isn't as powerful as the current crop, but we should dismiss what the PS2 still has to offer gamers who have never experienced it, and true to form it's still immensely popular.

So what's so special about 360 fans? I'm a 360 owner and fan and I don't have any illusions about the 360 being the best game platform because it's simply not anymore. It was my favorite console by far back in 2007, but it's not 2007 anymore and the gaming world moves on. PS2 fans aren't flooding the forums with talk of why their console is the best, they're content to simply game. Why can't 360 fans? As a gamer there's something in every single console out there, and I don't care if you want to game on a 360, Atari 2600, a Wii, a 360 - I rejoice at every new gamer entering the fold but I don't understand people who have turned gaming into corporate cheerleading in the face of the facts.

Also, to those using multiple accounts to reduce my bubbles, nicely done. Down from 9 bubbles to 6 in only a matter of days. Take a bow. You strike a blow against gamers for fanboys everywhere.

"Just a quick comment on Commodore's post."
well, that was the longest 'quick' comment i have ever seen! :)

Unfortunately, the ongoing inferior ps3 multiplat saga continues and, after all is said and done, the 360 has weathered the storm that was supposed to be the ps3 dominance.

Most of what is left of the diehards are the remnants that cling to the 'potential' argument, while ignoring how close the battle really is and continues to be.

Let's face it, both the ps3 and 360 are now somewhat dated, in terms of hardware. To say otherwise is getting sillier by the minute. (Of course the real debate centers around which of the two is ever so slightly better, in dated terms)

I bring up the multitude (hundreds) of proven inferior ps3 multiplats, others bring up kz2 and uc2.
Yadda, yadda. round and round we go.

Ultimately exlusive developers will hype their own gravytrain. Can you imagine Aaron Greenberg associating with anyone who speaks in less than stellar terms about the 360? What about Ken Kutaragi/Kaz Hirai? Would they admit to their loyal fans exactly how well the 360 has really done?

An exclusive developer will hype his chosen platform until the cows come home, and the starving fanboys will lap it up with glee.
Pray, tell me: What is he supposed to say?
Where is his bread buttered?

Think.

All of you are correct and it's a shame that Microsoft does not have a single internally developed game that can act as a graphical showcase for the 360.Rare actually has a good engine that was used for Banjo:nuts and bolts and viva pinata 2,the only problem is that they have not been able to produce a game that is deserving of such and engine because in my personal opinion Banjo: Nuts and Bolt looks better or is at least on par with Gears 2.Lets see if they can pull some wonders with PD2.

Turn 10's community manager stated " Che points out that he has been "spending quite a lot of time just admiring the game from a visual standpoint", adding that "the past few weeks have seen the graphics really come into its own" http://gaming.hexus.net/con... e3 is around so it looks like we won't have to wait to see Forza 3 can really shine graphically.

Resident Evil 5 looks so much better than Gears and it kind of shows that the 360 does have more potential. If FFXIII runs the same on both platforms it will show that the 360 hasn't been utilised fully in the past(even though FFXIII may not be a technically impressive as say KZ2). I think the 360 needs it's own "The Conduit" something to push to the console.

I do think that "xx can't run on the 360" is getting annoying though. They say it for preety much every game and a lot of the time their developers who only work on the PS3 and they phrase it the same way.

I have to agree, that if the 360 had more custom engines we would be seeing much more from the console.

Unfortunately Microsoft's internal development teams have yet to show that they can push their console past anything that third party engines can put out.

(except Morganfail) for an intelligent, thoughtful discourse.

The Halo 3 engine is surprisingly powerful, I think Bungie really dropped the ball designing the environments. I'd love to see another Halo NOT done by Bungie and their ass-ugly environments with the same engine. There are moments in Halo 3 where the outdoor lighting is stunningly realistic.

Looking over the deferred rendering doc for Killzone 2 ( http://www.develop-conferen... I don't see any rendering techniques that aren't standard in DirectX, so it's pretty likely that if Guerilla Games had to work on the Xbox for another game, they could manage something equally spectacular.

Developers live for challenges. To say that something can't be done is pretty close-minded; it's most likely just marketing BS.

I agree that you'd see much better 360 games graphically if their 1st party wasn't practically nonexistent. Most 3rd party games get bogged down in UE3 territory, so they can really only go so far. The best you'll get on that engine is from Epic.

I also agree that Resident Evil 5 is the best looking 360 game on the market, and that Lost Planet 2 boss fight footage looks really solid, so the power is there, it's just not being utilized very well. They need a 1st party dev to dig deep into the console's guts and pull out a custom engine the way Sony does, but they just don't have the resources.

Bungie was able to keep the charm of the gameplay that made the first two title so successful, but they weren't able to keep up graphically with the rest of the high profile games that where launched for this generation.

I don't remember seeing anything in Halo 3 that was graphically impressive, but if your right and Bungie just didn't put their engine to proper use then maybe we will see something cool in ODST or some other title using the engine.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is seriously one of the nicest looking games I've seen. And yes, it is on par with Gears of War 2. And it's because they used a engine specifically made for the 360.

Guys not trying to bug or anything, but I highly recommend playing the full version of Nuts & Bolts. Especially on a HDTV.

It's a very enjoyable game. And, in my opinion, is highly underrated.

When you see games that are specifically built on the 360 such as Fable 2 and B-K.. You know the 360 has more potential than just the UE3. Because both of those games in my eyes, top Gears of War 2 in environmental detail (without a doubt on that), texure detail, polygons, etc.

@RememberThe357

It was mainly the lighting quality that struck me in Halo 3's outdoor environments. There were a few times in one particular stage of the campaign (it was the stage where you come out of the jungle and out onto a Covenant base) where I looked up to see dropships landing and the lighting looked just like a global illuminated shot from a CG movie.

It's impressive tech, just wasted on Bungie.

@Arnon
Yeah, Rare has a nice looking engine on the 360. Even the Viva Pinata games look great - albeit cartoony. Kind of makes me wish the Wii were not so last gen, Mario with a similar engine would be a gamer's dream come true.

At least we can chat with people over xboxlive, have private team parties.

Not like in psn can't even play music while gaming or "chat" during gameplay.

Enjoy your textation3rd.

Use your Brain then(if you got one)and Press 'Ignore' under my Photo???
Easy really!!! ;-D

@xbollox ;) I'm with you mate;) I do laugh at them all(ChatBots)!!! ;-D
They hate it when they don't get their way, it's very funny to watch!!! ;-D

+ i don't know why they say things to me, whoever they are it's not like a give a T0SS what they think anyway!!! ;-D

Bubbles4u2;)

chatbot? ouch now that hurts lol.

look this site is getting pathetic, the ps3 fanboy #1 throws childish comments then the other ps3 fanboys come in and pat fanboy #1 on the back, its so sad.