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IGN: Is Metal Gear Solid Overrated?

IGN writes: "Videogames are occasionally overrated, but some titles just take on a rhapsodic life of their own. They achieve a mythical status that makes them practically impervious to anything but the most glowing analysis. A passionate fanbase digs a moat around a game to defend it against criticism of any sort, even benign curiosity about an aspect of the game that might be improved is treated with open hostility. But as videogames mature, it's important to cast a critical eye back at these proverbial sacred cows. How else can game design improve if we do not seriously consider the possible demerits of even the most vaunted games?

With that as a mission statement of sorts, IGN Retro is taking a look at videogames that some may consider overrated. First, we took a critical look at Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Next was Square's Final Fantasy VII. Now, the PlayStation darling Metal Gear Solid goes under the microscope".

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MycockSoft6206d ago

Generating traffic by going after the 3 best games of their respective genres. IGN sure does suck.

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GWAVE6206d ago

I'm an avid MGS fan. With that said, I understand that the series isn't for everyone. And if I may be a bit rude, I understand that not everyone has the intelligence or attention span for the series.

But still, MGS games are incredibly rewarding. When was the last time you beat a game and was rewarded with a 1-hour cutscene that wraps up a decade-long series? Especially in this day and age of 30-second endings to other "epic" games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Fallout 3.

menoyou6206d ago

Yup sensational headlines yet again. This is all that happens on N4G. Barely any news on here at all. This site needs some serious redesigning.

MGS4 isnt overrated but IGN sure is.

JhawkFootball066206d ago

I dont like the game, and wtf is wrong with the main character. He is not appealing or even likeable at all.

Tony P6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

Again with these was *insert popular game here* overrated articles...

No, MGS is not imo overrated. The series and genre were basically off the radar until MGS. Think of how many games use stealth-based action now from Tenchu to Socom to Splinter Cell. Next time you see Kojima, say thanks.

DailyAddict6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

and now IGN has entered the flame bait article battle for traffic. They've been slowly going this route the past few months and I guess it's time to go head on with it.

7ero H3LL6206d ago

the next MGS. "MGS5: The 60 Year Old Virgin"

badz1496206d ago

even if they aren't, but their articles are sure as hell going in HHG direction! what is with the hit-whoring articles lately from IGN?

Lifendz6206d ago

overrated? if it is, then so is any game.

BWS19826206d ago

you may play through MGS with Snake's attraction being your barometer for the excellence, but many of us like the games for being fun. So he's got a gray mullet, he's still a badass. To each their own.

Nikuma6206d ago

Was a game that changed the way I look at video games. A true epic masterpiece. Every MGS after #1 was good, but didn't give me the same impact as the original. MSG1's story for me trumps all others.(MGS3 comes close tho)

KKanjiAnkh6206d ago

How can it be overrated when the franchise is a solid 10, and there's an actual a story that's told. That's like asking is George Lucas really creative.

nnotdead6206d ago

i agree that game endings tend to be a let down, but to question someones intelligence because they dont like Metal Gear isn't right. You get the bubble anyway for the ending comment. funny thing is i never really hear people discus this.

jetlian6206d ago

tenchu came out before MGS as far as 3d is concerned!

GameGambits6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

The only "bad" Metal Gear games were the Acid Series. Defending those is not in your best interest fans to Metal Gear(of which I am by leaps and bounds myself).

To say Metal Gear Solid 1-4 are over rated is like admitting you like to molest little kids. 100% disgusting, pointless, and above all shameful to the point of blasphemy and sin.

If you have the mental capacity of a monkey that you can't sit there and take in a 10-20 minute long cut scene past the caliber of AAA MOVIE in terms of quality, then your opinion is worthless. Kids who don't get that MGS is as good as story telling of any medium gets are the ones who thought Superman for the N64 was AWESOME.

Seriously if MGS is overrated then please tell me what game completely deficates on it to show me what true quality is.

JoySticksFTW6206d ago

IGN is a legitimate site filled with professional journalists, 10 times the caliber of HHG, right? At least that's what N4G keeps telling me.

Then who wrote this mysterious, sensational, "hit-seeking" article? I don't get it :(

vickers5006205d ago

@GWAVE

The only game in the series you had to be "intelligent" for was the second game. So long as you paid attention, it wasn't really that hard of a game to grasp. So stop being a smug douchebag and thinking that you are of some sort of higher intelligence because you like a particular game. I hate to tell you this, but liking a smart game does not make you smart.

kevnb6205d ago

although I cant stand playing metal gear solid 2 myself. The one thing I will say about the metal gear solid series is that the games have no legs for long term sales... limited editions and regular copies of mgs4 are all over bargain bins. Metal Gear Solid 2 can be found for 5 bucks or less as well.

Tony P6205d ago

@jetlian

Not really. My point isn't which came first, but which had the greater impact. When you look back, Tenchu and MGS were both good games. But MGS obviously had the greater impact on gaming of the two. Almost single-handedly the game created a favourable genre for stealth-based games for years to come.

This is of course only one example of why MGS trumped Tenchu and most other games available at the time. Compared to the average game, MGS just had more. Better stories, narratives, a bunch of new cinematic techniques, a wealth of innovative gameplay mechanics...Kojima and his team really broke the mould on that one. The attention to detail is stellar and a rarity even today.

The Psycho Mantis boss fight alone surpasses all exceptions. When was the last time you had to use outside resources to solve an in-game puzzle (Meryl's codec) since Startropics? What other bosses could read save games from your mem card and respond with suitable dialogue? How many other games had full voice-acting at the time? Even FF didn't break the silence till PS2.

Credit where it's due, people. Sheesh.

kevnb6205d ago

Don't forget that metal gear solid wasn't the first game in the series... Metal Gear 1 & 2 say hi.

N4g_null6205d ago

@GWAVE

It's great your an avid MGS fan. With that said, I understand that the series isn't for everyone also. I am one of those people And if I may be a bit rude, I understand that not everyone does not believe MGS story require intelligence or attention. The story at best is a convoluted mess jobs simulating politics based on a few characters.

The real test of it's story telling is in the disk substance, which came with the collectors editions. I'm wonder how many people can make it through that "movie". MGS4 was epic in terms of MGS yet it was truly some thing hollywood laughed at due to it's bad editing.
If you like metal gear then you have to ask your self why you don't like macross and all of it's different versions, why you don't like ghost in the shell. These movies and games where way more intelligent in the subjects that MGS dances around and I'm just wondering is it because of the game play?

MGS is a casual 3rd person shooter that tried it's hand at FPS. It's like Micheal Jordan playing baseball. You may have liked him but he sucked. True fans have patient but maybe just maybe their are not that many true MGS fans? Just look at the trade in fall out with this game.

"But still, MGS games are incredibly rewarding. When was the last time you beat a game and was rewarded with a 1-hour cutscene that wraps up a decade-long series?" So how long the cut scene was is your reward? Also you paid for how many games before you got the full story? Was the elements in the cut scene really worth waiting this long to find out? Excuse me but I like many people can not bring my self to care about the characters even if some are really cool. My main problem is when these movies, I mean game try to be movies. Now the problem is they suck once I hold them to the standard of movies.

"Especially in this day and age of 30-second endings to other "epic" games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Fallout 3." I see so nothing epic happened while you played the game? You know this is an interactive medium and that is it's strength. If you just give us CG after wards then why not just let us rent the movie? That is a little annoying if the game play is not actually fun.

So after all of that I have to ask you GWAVE or any one else that understands why they love this game, why love this game and what does this game represent to you when you think about the HD gen or gaming or is this more of an evolution where gaming becomes more like a movie?

No I'm not a 360 fan either but I'm wondering if you guys can communicate why you love this game and what keeps you going. Is it just the sheer idea of effort?

jetlian6205d ago (Edited 6205d ago )

you say it its what you said
"Think of how many games use stealth-based action now from Tenchu to Socom to Splinter Cell. Next time you see Kojima, say thanks"

no need to think!!! tenchu did it first now mgs did it back on nes. but for 3d it was tenchu so mgs had not influenced tenchu

and another of your post give credit where credit is due. right so give credit to tenchu. ipod isn't the first mp3 player but given how you think it should get credit lol

Tony P6205d ago (Edited 6205d ago )

@kevnb & jetlian

You're both refuting points I didn't make. I didn't say MGS was the first. I said it had the most impact. That is obviously not the same thing. MG and MG2 on Nintendo didn't have the same impact at all.

jet, I wasn't implying that MGS came first. "Tenchu" does not refer to Tenchu: Stealth Assassins, but the entire franchise. As I've already said, MGS created a climate for games like that to succeed. Like Halo did for console FPS and FFVII did for JRPGs. Tenchu:SA did not do that, even though it preceded MGS.

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Panthers6206d ago

because of the console that it is on?

table6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

Is it hell. It created the stealth action genre. Nothing comes close to its epicness.

GWAVE6206d ago

Not on 360, therefore overrated, amirite?

Xi6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

I feel the stealth mechanics are shameful, the story pedantic and the hype unimaginable.

Of the original MG games the 'stealth' is more or less the equivelent of the avoidence parts in the legend of zelda games. The only reason we considered it stealth was because the genre.

And GWAVE,
Just like halo right? not on PS therefore overrated.

jack who6206d ago

if halo is overrated so is this one.....see what i did there?;)

table6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

I hate to break it to you 360 fanboys but Halo did not event the FPS genre. idiots

@ below: 'expansion' of stealth mechanics. jesus if we go by that logic no game in history is original.

Xi6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

Like I said, Metal gear solid is the expansion of the stealth mechanics we found in games like zelda. You know, the hide behind bush and track the gaurds pattern so not to get thrown out, except instead of being thrown out they shoot you.

Sorry to break it too you but MGS didn't invent 'avoid the enemy' gameplay or 'stealth'.

Welcome to the sad thruth of gaming, unless you preform a paradigm shift in the the genre your didn't event it. Metal gear is just another adventure game with a espionage backstory and simple gameplay mechanics.

White-Sharingan6206d ago

@Xi- I dont see any connection between TLoZ and Metal Gear. Absolutely nothing, so I say bullshit to your comment

BTW to the original poster. Metal Gear>Any 360 game out there

RememberThe3576206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

Xbox fanobys slamming on MGS for no other reason then, "because you guys say Halo is over rated".

And actually, Halo is not over rated, Halo 2 and 3 are. Just to set the story straight. They have they're moments and they are far from bad games, but they are not the top tier shooters they are rated as.

@below: lol to completely missed the point. This is not an eye-for-an-eye concept. Take off your fanboy glasses real quick and you'll see that. You cannot be much older then 12 if your mind is still in that state.

This is a quality assessment. And every time MGS has been released, it has set the quality standard. MGS is the standard for all other stealth action titles.

In Halo's case, Halo set the standard for all console shooters out there. But since then Halo 2, 3 have failed to push the genre, or even the series, forward. Now days COD is the standard for shooters.

jack who6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

than everything after MGS 1 is overrated

ps: there was a MGS game on the xbox btw

table6206d ago

you 360 fanboys have never even played metal gear solid so how can you even have an opinion on it. If you had grown up with these consoles and games you would never be a 360 fanboy.

table6206d ago

jack f***ing jerks off to his 360 thats who.

Xi6206d ago

Personally I think splintercell Was the better stealth genre since it's inception.

And while Halo 2 may not have done anything revolutionary to push the genre halo 3's video feature is an example of how bungie is taking videogames to the next level.

GWAVE6206d ago

@ Xi

"halo 3's video feature is an example of how bungie is taking videogames to the next level."

Wow. Taking video games to the next level with a video feature? It's ironic, Xi, that people such as yourself say this then turn around and dismiss things like HOME on PSN as "nothing special".

raztad6206d ago

True that stewart.

MGS3 (EPIC), GoW and Sotc brought me to the PS brand. To date 2 Ps2, two psp and one PS3. MG Solid was born and died on the PS. Awesome series, all the prise to Kojima.

RememberThe3576206d ago

as much as I'm talking about quality standard. I thought Star Wars: Republic Commando was one of the best shooters last gen. However, I realize that it didn't have the same quality standard the Halo had.

If you liked Splinter Cell more, then good for you. Same goes for the people who think Halo 3 is better the COD4.

But when it comes to stealth action titles, they are judged against MGS, That is because MGS is the quality standard. When the next Splinter Cell comes out it will be judged against MGS4. If it turns out to be better then great, we will have a new standard to judge by.

My point is that when the MGS titles are release they set the standard for the genre. That is not to say that there will never be a game better then an MGS title, and Splinter Cell give MGS a good running for it's money. But Halo does not do the same thing when it releases. At least it hasn't with the last 2 numbered titles.

Durffen6206d ago

Real mature, buddy.

But then again, hardly anyone on N4G is mature.

ZuperAmazingCooKie6206d ago

Metal gear did not only invent a genre, but every game in the main series re-invents the genre again. I can't say the same for Halo which is just another generic FPS

Nikuma6206d ago

The original TENCHU on ps1 was a pretty sick stealth game for it's time. Every other one after that sucked imo, but Tenchu 1 provided me hours of entertainment. Both MGS and Tenchu came out around the same time, I forget which came first tho.

table6206d ago (Edited 6206d ago )

Hideo Kojima created the genre back in the 80's with Metal Gear but it was brought to another level with MGS on the ps1. Tenchu was nothing new.

Nikuma6206d ago

..you're right about stealth elements in games being nothing new, but like MGS Tenchu brought stealth gameplay to a whole different level. Tenchu isn't half the game MGS was but for pure stealth action it was pretty damn good.

Jaces6206d ago

If it is then so is Splinter Cell, ahhh omg, see what I did there?

Moron.

N4g_null6205d ago

@stewgart

MGS did not invent stealth game play either. We had that since pac man? My favorite rolling thunder, some parts of zelda, thief, I mean come on MGS game play wise is crushed by this game along.

Also how much skill does stealth take in a series like MGS? Try beating some of the other games that require stealth.

Now if you want to say MGS had better characters I will say sure but the game play still sucked compared to other games.

Jaces6205d ago

What other stealth games were harder than MGS?

Certainly not Splinter Cell, and Theif was a great game mind you, but none the least being difficult.

Tell you this though, no other game has come close to the amazing characters and storytelling when it comes to MGS. Confusing as it may be it sure as hell was Epic.

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DSI6206d ago

Why would IGN even ask that question, I knew what their final verdict was going to be before even reading the article. How are you going to ask if a game is overrated when you rated it a whopping 9.8.

Silly.

Venomish6206d ago

I'm not gonna press the link to that stupid story
if Metal Gear Solid is anything , it is underrated.

Myst6206d ago

Maybe to some, but sometimes a lot of the things that are generally percieved as best sellers are always counted as being overrated. Ie. I generally find books on the best sellers list sometimes overrated, but others tend to think they are an awesome work of story telling. Either way, I'd personally say no and I'm not a fanatic about the Metal Gear Universe.

Avenged Sevenfold6206d ago

No, if anything it's underrated. All the games should have 100 on Metacritic.

Daishi6206d ago

1 and 3, definately! 2 and 4, not even close to perfect...

callahan096205d ago

It's all just opinion. My least favorites are actually 1 and 3. My favorites are 2 and 4. So we completely disagree on that one. But I love all 4 of them, anyway.

Avenged Sevenfold6205d ago

I love all of them. I just love the whole cinematic gaming experience all those games offer.

Daishi6205d ago

The good thing is no one dies or is physicaly assaulted when we dissagree.

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