I dont see any other mistake in this than yet again building OS to rely on Internet explorer. Mac doesnt need safari to run aplications, nor does any linux.

After installing windows there would be option of somekind when plugged to the internet to install one of the browsers.

I dont really understand all the whine about how IE comes bundled with windows, but the fact that it has to be there in some form to use some of the programs, I mean wtf?

Viper, the browser is based on the "explorer" of Windows.
Its basically one thing. Its just how their OS is build.

You can actually remove Internet Explorer( yes you can! )
So i honestly don't get all the b/tching to be honest.

The guys from FireFox should just promote it better, they should make something like googlechrome that downloads the whole package and installs it with one click.

I think its just them who wants free promotion. acknowledgement, but again if one never used firefox, doesn't know the name...what are they trying to achieve? what makes them think they will use FireFox?
you need to show them first what FireFox is about, not just push it in their face as an option.

I may just stop using firefox because im sick of hearing them whine. there doing great, but they want their product to be featured over microsofts. This Doesnt make any sense, and anyone siding with firefox is stupid. If mozilla is gonna cry, why dont they release their own operating system and make firefox only work on it. Ohhh I know why, because thed be screwed.

I think that they need to face the facts taht many people dont know or care about using an alternative to IE.

IE has to be set to the default browser because alot of people have no idea what firefox is, and without seeing that little IE icon they wouldnt even be able to get to the internet. then they would complain to microsoft, "why would I want a computer without internet."

I brought my pc home over the break and my mom wanted to use the internet, and she clicked on the IE Icon, not the Firefox one righ next to it. Why, because shes old and has no idea about firefox. When I told her, she still didnt care.

Umm yes I believe they could if they wanted too.
Its no different than console manufacturer refusing to allow a game to be published on their system. Are they going to do that? NO! I see absolutely nothing wrong with them bundling their own web browser with THEIR OS.

Besides I never understood what the big deal was, all the way back to Netscape. ITS FREE FFS! Why are they making such a big deal about it? The argument is as retarded as AEM demanding that all Hondas should come with their CAI because Honda's stock air filters are monopolizing the market...

I wanted Firefox so I went and got it. I get that mentality because I share it. But they can't push out their competitors more then they have already or they risk the heavy hand of the FTC, DOJ and EU.

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This is not the same thing as the console market. Sorry but it's not that simple. There are too many computers running Windows for governments to let Microsoft do what they want with it. That is a fact, and it's backed up by antitrust laws all over the world. Just because it's yours doesn't mean you can do what ever you want with it. I can't believe people are actually having a hard time understanding this.

Some of you guys really have no idea how business works.

The PC business is an open platform, one can do anything they want on it. Mac, Windows, Linux, as long as the operating system can run it. Freedom of choice is allowed, it is because the operating system is basically like a car, and all the programs you chose to to get with it are the accessories. As long as the parts (programs) are compatible with the car (the OS) then it allows freedom in what they want. Whether taking out parts and adding new ones to the car, or keeping it the same.

Consoles don't fall under the computer category. Consoles aren't meant to be "tampered" with, and modified like PC's can, THOUGH the reason why you cannot play 360 games on a ps3, and ps3 games on a 360 is because of two main things.

Piracy - each have their own security system to prevent burned/illegal games, or unauthorized games from playing on a console.

Hardware compatibility - each company have different hardware, in which each game is coded different, for the differences in hardware. Not because they restrict you too. It's just a combination of both this, and piracy/security that create the issue of not being able to play games on different consoles.

I could elaborate more, or even explain a few things better, but frankly, i dont feel like it.