Kojima and Sony studios already prove that issue. Sad thing is that we the gamers are the ones who lose in this limitation posted by last gen tech (DVD9). Sony will deliver, but imagine a Real GTA using a full Blu Ray and the cell procesor. Dream on...

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Because 3rd party multiplatforms cant have two different versions of a game, since the inferior one will suffer in sales and and give them a bad rep in the process.

I'm 100% sure we(i.e PS3 Fans)are going to get better and better looking games coming out on the PS3 each year, just like the PS1 + PS2 did, very Clever the Guy who made the PS3 ;)

i think gta showed us what was not possible on dvd,every one i know says the same thing,its not san andres,this will happen with ffx111,no one wants five discs min to play a game,theres been to many games like lost oddessy etc involved with swapping discs when it comes to rpgs etc.it really does ruin the game play

The extra power is there, if only for Sony's first-party endeavours. We have all clearly seen that Sony's first-party games have set the graphical bar for this generation of consoles.

If no other developer wants to leverage that power in exchange for a larger audience, that is their prerogative and a completely reasonable one. That said, this is the generation that has seized the sparkle from the world's top tier third parties. They simply aren't willing to put their game before the dollahs. I think that's unfortunate.

I already knew that nobody is using the PS3's to it's potential and really it's pretty obvious because whenever a 3rd party game comes out looking better or running better on the 360, then those developers aren't utilizing the PS3 like Sony's 1st party and 2nd party devs. and they are still just scratching the surface with the PS3.

The 3rd party devs. can limit themselves if they want, but that's not stopping companies like Naughty Dog or Sony Santa Monica from going all out and using the PS3's power and taking advantage of the benefits of Blu-ray.

My cousin told me that his friends girlfriend's ex boss's wife said a homeless guy who's sister works for Walmart and some customer told her that a "top developer" said that the PS3 isn't being used to it fullest potential.

LOL This guy could have interviewed Kermit the frog for all I know.

What this article is saying is something Im being worried for some time now.

Multiplats games wont push the PS3 in anyway. Third party devels are just happy making the game looks the same. Is that a bad thing? I dont know it but for is becoming harder and harder to me, to fork 60$ to get graphically sub-standard games for my PS3, when Sony first party studies are pushing the bar so high both visually and gameplay-wise. So by default multiplats titles are not must buy to me, only some awesome gameplay can drive me to get one.

interesting read. i don't think anyone can really say a developer has used the full potential of any system because a system takes time to learn, different game engines can get more out the thing etc.

I'd say ps3 has nearly caught up to the 360 in terms on multi-plat development, there's very little difference now which shows how developers are getting used to using the ps3, especially when you compare to how multi-plat games used to be!

the 360 hasn't really made any big jumps recently though, if you look at games like cod2 (release game) and gow1+2 you can see a big jump graphically but since gow there hasn't really been a game to wow people (at least in graphics)

who knows what the future holds, things will always take time to learn and the ps3's learning curve for devs will slow that process down but you only have to look at ps2 launch games compared to the games that were released recently to see how games improve through a piece of hardware's life cycle

I wish my xbox played at least movies seeing as they have no new games well at least I can still use hddvd ooh wait.....

I think the developer is crytek, and the engine that is being discussed is the cry engine 3. Just based on some of the replies the developer gave, it sort of sounds like the cry engine 3, since it was just shown off at GDC not too long ago.

could be, not to mention the demo we saw looked fantastic on both platforms

so some (random) guy think all other devs including sony themselves dont know how to use ps3 !

sorry but thats is bad design in ps3 !

and the whole blu-ray thing have you guys looked at the games ?

adding 10hrs of video to a 10hr game doesnt make it a 20hr game to me.

ps3 costs the most to produce on we all know this so how can you guys really think they are ever going to use 50gb for real gameplay ?

imagine a blu-ray full of game, no install, no cutscenes, no duplication just 50gb of actual game........how long to produce = 5 years, 10 yeaars ? dev cost = 100 mill? 200 mill? 300 mill ?

if we are all realistic blu ray will give us lots of cutscenes.
it will give devs the ability not to do compression.

the games wont grow to epic 50gb 400hr monsters as its too expensive.

I believe that developers themselves are the reasons that the PS3's potential isn't being used. We can blaim DVD all we want, but the fact of the matter is that lots of times, despite the format being used, developers will only use the time and resources that they can afford or want to use.

A lot of developers don't want to make the best possible PS3 game they can. They want to make something that could make in the quickest amount of time possible that will make money.

This is why, under most circumstances, 3rd party studios will probably not go that extra mile to to take full advantage of the PS3, or any console for that matter.

First party studios are where you will see the most impact, but even then there are no guarantees that the game will be prettier, longer, fun, or even good.

I got a disagree. Care to comment? I don't mind a good debate.

it's probably infinity ward by the mainly PC dev comment. IW is probably one of the few 3rd party develpers that realized you can port from 360 to PS3 you have to build up for Ps3 and they did talk how PS3 preformed great for COD4

We've got at least 8 more years to see whats in store for the PS3. There will be games out there that I don't think people actually thought was possible today. Its like a Black Hole in terms of development. You can dig so deep into its tech and never reach an ending. I think we'll see incredible games so mindblowing on the PS3 in the future. It's a given fact. Just its physics alone are amazing. The way it processes motion, artifacts, and on screen physics, there's no question of it untapped potential.

Does anyone think that the real reason the ps3 is not being used to it's full potential is that developers technology in general isn't ready to meet the PS3's demand. PS3 is supposed to be a long term console and the tech they are using now will be way different than the tech they'll be using 6 months from now, which will be different 6 years from now. Tech is always evolving every day. Eventually you'll see the maxed out PS3 and when that day comes God help us all!!!

foxgod i dont see any improvements on 360 after gears 2 in terms of graphics the only way they look better is if you make it for ps3 then port it over shows the 360 doesnt have long left

I love how droids think the cell is a graphics processor. The xbox 360 GPU is more powerful than the ps3's FACT. Why do you think the textures are always better on 360?

this is a positive ps3 article, Mooks, Foxgod,jason 360, why come in here and post?

it is a man's machine.

Eventually you'll see the maxed out PS3 and when that day comes God help us all!!!

I would just love to believe that is true.

Those xbots are feeling insecure again... :D

Let me hear it again X pussies:

B-b-b-b-but teh salez... :D, b-b-b-b-but teh 512MB Ramz... :D

Hey Moooks (is that a cow name ?) the PS3 is more powerful FACT, get over it.

... if you want a chance to see it happen, keep an eye on the exclusives that pop up. They don't have to be watered down to fit on other consoles... that shall remain nameless...

no game is shown,no developer is named.interview could be fake.

but,most of my games are sony exclusive.because those that made the games i bought were trying to wow gamers with what they considered next gen gaming.and not just graphic upgrades of last gen games like RE5.

360 gamers(and dual console owners that started on 360) claim "superiority complex" when it comes to ps3 gamers.no,we just want more value for our money and pay for what what next gen stands for.360 gamers are used to substandard gaming,substandard products.

if you weren't fine with substandard gaming,microsoft wouldn't have gotten away with selling broken systems they knew about.getting away with p2p gaming instead of dedicated servers for all games.you pay for it,why not have the best?because you settle for less like you always do.teenagers do that and poor consumers.but not adults and smart shoppers.

ps3 fans know ps3 is more powerful.and some of the intelligent 360 fans.360 fans can't pull out games on 360 that match sony exclusive games using bluray.you claim 360 is superior on multiplats that don't push ps3.but here's a question for you:

"what's your excuse on 360 exclusive game developers making games only for 360?"

EPIC pretty much is an exclusive developer.but their games don't best killzone2 or uncharted.valve is an exclusive developer.and their games don't best sony's games.lionhead?turn-10?i could name off more 360 exclusive devs that can't make better looking and innovative games like sony's devs.

we would have already seen 20vs20 or 30vs30 on 360 by now.we would have seen 256 players announced and not downgraded like huxley.we would have seen forza2 outdo GT5:P.360 gamers claim games like MGS4 is full of movies.but don't you think kojima could have filled that whole disc with just gameplay?you talk about gt4 being the same,but how many more cities could have fit on a 50gig disc instead of supporting the sh!tty dvd-9?

it's like talking to teenagers and poor consumers when it comes to 360 gamers.sony has been showing how wrong microsoft has been this gen.

1080p>720p
hdmi>component
bluray(25-50-100-400 potential gigs)>dvd-9
cell processor>xenon
multiple accessory support like keyborad and mouse>offset 360 pad and poor D-pad.

but kids just don't know better.you think scooby doo looks just as good as akira the movie.

apocalypse.................

-I have games to play but its called a BREAK and anyway i have exams coming up that i need to revise for. Yes that right i'm kid *waits for stupid reply about being a kid*
-YLOD only affects 60GB mainly i have a 40GB:P
-The HDD only corrupts if you switch off the PS3 incorrectly happened once but just reformatted it (took about 5 mins)and was playing games again(from the beginning though)
-I got a 200GB HDD for £40 (better than 120GB for £100 or so it costs)so haven't got a problem with that size of the install:P and TBH i rather have disc install than disc switching cause its more convent and doesn't interrupt gameplay. and doesn't the 360 have to install games to get rid of the terrible sound of the disk drive.
-Disc read error. sure that happens alot more on the 360:P and it can still read blu-rays

noticed your edit. What the hell does sales have to with a gamer. I remember back in 2008 when the Ps3 price dropped and was outselling the 360 and then when its brought up 360 fanboys would go its not the sales that matter its the quality. 2009 and all of a sudden it the other way around its not the quality that matters its the sales. frankely that something i expect a nintendo fanboy to say.
BTW halo sucks it got outsold by Wii Sports

the xbox 360 is like the town slut. its cheap($199), easy(programming) and it goes down on you at the drop of a hat(RROD).

due to storage restrictions with dvd9. If you look at the games that have come or are coming to the PS3 from 360 theres a trend starting where the PS3 gets more content. NGS 2 and eternal sonata for example. I just hope it doesn't get to the point where it happens with every timed exclusive, cos I would'nt want to buy a game once then have to get it again for my PS3. Plus i actually enjoy gaming on my 360 from time to time. Its been with me since launch (rrod once) so I'd like to think we have a mutual respect for each other: I play games, it doesn't die.

If the xbox isn't being used to its potential why is it that after 3 years we haven't seen an exclusive game of the xbox match or come close to the ps3? and the ps3 did it within its first year. Uncharted, Mgs4, Ratchet tod, Heavenly sword, killzone 2, GT5 prolouge, okay now someone tell me a xbox game that matches these games? gears of war 2? maybe close?

I hope mw2 looks as good as killzone and the xbox does not hinder its technical achievements

If there is a multiplat game I want to play I will rent it unless I can get it for cheap somewhere like I got cod waw for 30 bioshock for 30 dollars. im not payeing full price for a game thats not be made useing the ps3 potential.

Look at Cryengine 3 tech demo first,looks better than uncharted killzone2 gears2 etc Xbox360 being used to its potential ? LOL

I have a feeling that the private developer is talking about Final Fantasy XIII for PS3 and XBOX 360.

It's a shame that a company has to match the game for both consoles respectively just cause the other console isn't as powerful as the other.

Oh well FF XIII Versus let's do this :)

purchase the best system and the devs would have no choice but use the ps3 full potential. dont give me the bs comments like but x360 does this lol. whatever the x360 can do the ps3 can do better end of story. if every gets the ps3 it will have every feature the x360 has and even more fetures that the x360 couldnt even possibly accomplish. none of your bullet points work here x360 gamers. the games are on the ps3, the multiplat games would be even better on the ps3. Its only common logic to purchase a ps3 as its far cheaper in the long run. I have no idea why people would buy a freaking x360 then cry about ps3 without bc lol. the x360 doesnt even have games to be bc lol. why would you buy a system with no past and no feature that takes 50 bucks from you every year. for halo and gears and becuase your friends are to much of casual gamers to buy a hardcore gameing system? what has gameing come to? the x360 is the equivalent to the gamecube but has third party support unlike the gamecube. I hate how people try to act like its the equivalent of the ps2 lol. the ps2 never held anyone back as it created the dvd format for games and was still the innovative console.

did MoOkS just say that the PS3 had no games!! lol dat the biggest BS ive ever heard. MoOKS your in denial if you actually think that

the huge anticipated game that is coming this year,already at bug testing,from a developer on witch he had to translate is words,for PS3 and xbox 360,no PC!
im betting on CD PROJECT RED new installment just for consoles - THE WITCHER : RISE OF THE WHITE WOLF .

IMHO, the PS3 and the 360 haven't reached it's full potential.

Hell, I think the PS2 could still do a little more and the Xbox 1 never reached the potential it greatly had in my eyes.

The only people who should be scared are the 360 fanboys in this site who are trying to spread their lies and propaganda that the 360 can do better despite the fact that the 360 is now a technologically "dead" console.

Another "hidden" reason why developers don't to use the PS3 to its potential is this: The developers want to take advantage of the 10-year kiddies that make up 85% of the 360 owner demographics. Why is that you say? You see, it's a well-known industry knowledge that 360 owners are kids who would give them $400 if deluded enough. With that in mind, developers make crappy games with shallow gameplay and add more "sparkles" in the 360 version.

The result is this: A crappy multiplatform game artificially made to look better on the 360 to fool the larger 360 fanbase into believing they have a "superior" version. This in turn forces the larger 360 fanbase to purchase a crappy multiplatform in droves.

The Sony gamers, on the other hand, are mature gaming enthusiasts with higher gaming standards. We don't easily subscribe to shallow games that uses an engine that likes to make characters who look like shiny plastic toys. The developers who can't make good games would rather take the easy turn by appeasing the kiddy demographics that make 85% of the 360 owners.

My follow up question was

“ So hand on heart, you would not rather play the game on Xbox 360 than PS3?”

Answer, “No, they are basically the same”

Nuff said.

All this talk of DVD9 an its limitations, the only limitations are under the hood of any console, this obsession with media space is silly.

A dual layer dvd holds about 8.4 GB, if someone makes a game that fits on one blu ray say 40 GB, then all you would need is 5 discs like Blue Dragon. I dont care about swapping discs, and if your like me you picked up a used 120GB 360 HD for like 60.00 bucks on ebay, so I can just download it to the HD. So this talk of the limitations of DVD9 is a weak debate, its more like the limitations of lazy people. Now if a game used 40GB on both the PS3 and the 360 and one looked much better than the other, then we have an arguement about the power of each console, that is much more interesting.

The Cryengine 3 tech demo is just that, a tech "Demo". It is demonstrating what they can do and hope to do, not what they have done or will do in a full size game later.
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This tech demo looks better than most PS3 exclusives so far

So I ask you, when will we see this tech implemented into games? Tomorrow, a month from now, or a year or two?
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Better ask Crytek

Great article.

Why do you complain about something you hate thats never going to leave or change. You will sometime have to face the fact that the Playstation 3 is going nowhere and that it is newer and contains better hardware than the older console.

People are getting sick of your comments and delusional theories.

I hope that you all are younger than 15, becuase if not than you need to sit an think hard about what you are saying. There are worse things in this world that are happening than a frigging conole being better than your 360.

To All:

Consols are here to stay.
People are here to Play
Consoles let us do so.
So why would you Complain?

Why would one hold the other back, when we see devs release better 360/PC gamess of the same games with PC version often a little better because of pc higher performance.

Bluray is just more space to do the same game. If a dev wants to make the game bigger than what a DVD9 holds just use another disc.

I don't think a dev can be held back from doing his best with one console just because a weaker spec console exists. No if he doesn't fully use that consoles capabilities its most likely due o several things like funding, time, and of course simply not being willing and capable of donig better at this point which is also a matter of talent. Its like asking why R2 doesn't look like KZ2? Seriously, it doesn't even look better than Gears2, why? Its exclusive which means 360 had nothing to do with it, yet its not close to KZ2, the answer to this quetions is the same answer to this topic.

I would believe 360 was to blame if you first showed me a game by a dev that couldn't be done on the 360 due to one of the above limitations= where some see limitation I just see a work-around wwhich means reaching the same performance with a different solution.

I really would appreciate a reasonable response if you disagree with each of the above comments? I'm curious to why some feel these things are wrong? Please no fanboy lectures I think we have two amazing consoles so I'm really trying to see if there something big I'm missing or just a bunch of speculation.

The PS3 and Xbox 360 CPU and GPU are not using their full potential.
Both CPU are similar and yes your Cell Processor is the younger brother of Xeon. Why you guys blame Microsoft for the RROD and not blame IBM, TOSHIBA and SONY? http://online.wsj.com/artic...

The only big difference between both consoles are the disc space.
But here is a good question ¿Why Microsoft pick DVD9 over HD-DVD which is way more better than DVD9? Right now they are giving a good fight this gen. Now just imaging the Xbox 360 using the HD-DVD for video games.

Anyway you guys wants to keep hating for no reason when you don't own an Xbox 360.

This dev should talk to Kojima,N.D and GG.

Dam the x360. If it weren't for the x360 alot of multi-plats would be on par with PS3 exclsuives.

does anyone really think the ps3 will EVER "reach its potential"
Potential is the only thing ps3 has... im sure it does have potential... but i dont think its possible to reach that full theoretical potential.

I remember arguing that orange box for ps3 was only using the ppe, and i had not checked about for quite awhile.

And there are quite alot of games that don't even touch the spu's.

Alot of the newer games do, but only just abit.

GTAIV, does not touch the spu's nowhere near enough.

Shame though. 360 version was finished and they didn't have time to sort spu usage. so instead dropped the rez abit.

several years to talk about this. If Sony follows through with their 10 year plan for the PS3, each year we will see better games like we did for the PS2.

What is this, the third year? I doubt any game released has maxed out the PS3. But with each exclusive, you can see their on the right track.

As for the 360? I think It still has a lot to offer, just like the PS3. If not hardware wise, than Live will evolve year after year.

Chatbox fanboys have nothing else better to do but trolling on ps3 owners. Ps3 owners be proud and go on brush your shoulders off. This year has too be sony, if not we ps3 fanboys will start a riot.

I think things will change when Rage and FFXIII come out. They'll technically be the 1st two multi-platform games going on multiple disc for the 360. As soon as those are out, I think it's possible that other developers may consider having multi-platform titles on multiple disc for the 360, thus eliminating the DVD-9 limitation, however, it'll look bad if more multi-platform games on multiple disc becomes the norm for the 360.

I really thought about it, and man oh man the 360 would've squeezed more graphics if M$ would've fully supported HD-DVD.

I feel if new tech+next gen= good product!!!

Why was this approved, it's an article on a site that has an ecommerce shop. The have absolutely no integrity!

I don't really care if 3rd party companies aren't using the PS3 to it's full potential (due to multi-platform games being made to be the same), as long as Sony keeps 1st party titles moving along.

The PS3's potential and what might be achieved in the future is an interesting thing to think about, but what is more important than that is that many PS3 exclusives have already pushed the graphical bounds of what is possible on a console, which has made those games even more vivid and engaging game experiences than they would have been with lesser graphics.

What I am saying is that many PS3 games have already been pushing the boundaries. If there are better things to come, wow, but I am pretty darn impressed by what I have already seen.

I don't care what anybody says, graphics and sound play a tremendous role in how much I enjoy a game. I have noticed that a game's soundtrack for instance has a lot to do with how emotionally engaged I become with the game. Graphics do the same thing.

The graphics in Uncharted, for instance, were so rich and detailed that I was left with an almost palpable sense of that world long after I had played it. Those things are important to me and have always been a big part of what I enjoyed about games. Gameplay is key, but at the end of the day is still only one part of the puzzle.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.