I don't know what you're talking about I think Elpresador is funny as hell. If you take him seriously then you're the dumbass.

from the same director of last gen hits RROD, the SEQUEL..

R R O D EXTREME!!!!

Available in stores now purchase while stocks last.

i kid i kid

though I know it is mostly parody, he got old quick. I mean really, a dude his age making THAT many vids and about VIDEOGAMES?????

Its one thing to play them at all ages (hell, im almost 30) but doing jackass crap is retarded.

Why did I get so many disagrees for stating the truth?

Am I missing something here or what?

haha, "The poors".
That vile race.

still support it definitely it would only be stupid if they dont. xbox 1 was a valuable case to drop since they system was not selling as such and was not gonna go anyway.. with the ps2 sitting health on top with like a 100 mil plus lead at least.. but 360 will still be supported for a while .. even when the next box is out.. probably they would stop at like 2015 or so.. or about then.. so what.

Are you trying to say that people who owned the original XboX were not real gamers?!

what about the 140mil ps2 owners and 22mil ps3 owners..didnt they get screwed with no backwards compatibility..

I have a 60 gig that plays ps1 and ps2 games.

Maybe people are disagreeing with you because the 360 is not selling at a loss. Last I heard it was still making a profit on each console. Please link.

Yeah Darkrider...

lol.
where to begin?

hmmm.

Here's why you get disagrees (btw no disagree from me):
1. You tend to state your opinion and then call it a fact.
2. You tend to state your opinion and don't provide evidence/links.
3. You call other people out for doing exactly what you yourself do, as above, in virtually all your posts. Hypocrisy? Double-standards? ... you tell me.

Unfortunately for you, intelligent people spot you a mile off and press disagree, quite appropriately.

There you are, then.
That's one reason for the disagrees.
Shall i go on?

http://www.microsoft.com/ms...

It's easy to accuse me of passing off fact as opinion when you don't take the 5 seconds to actually google the information to find out if it's correct.

There's MS's last earnings. Like I said. MS games. Increased Revenue, increased sales, 60% fall in profit year over year on the most important quarter of the year, the one that covers the holiday season.

So there you have it. What's changed this year vs last that would cause such a fall? Just the price cut. This isn't rocket science. And we know from Mirosoft's figures that approx 17 million people have XBL gold which should be producing about $850 million a year in revenue. Now, of course it costs money to run XBL, but it certainly doesn't cost $850 million a year so let's just say $700 million brought in from XBL. Take that away and the Games division would be far in the red which is quite a contrast to last year at this time.

The only thing that changed was the price cut so that would indicate MS is taking a loss on the hardware again - something I'm sure they aren't too keen to broadcast.
Now I'm not saying this is fact. When I refer to the facts I refer to MS's numbers which are easily verifiable. If you have another explanation as to why MS games took a 60% hit to their profits, I'd love to hear it. And remember, it's not the economy. Sales and Revenue are up vs last year.

So. There's your proof. Not opinion, easily verified evidence backed up by MS's own financial reports. I don't hesitate to back up my statements, and I certainly don't resort to name calling and personal attacks when I could just as easily provide a well thought out counter point, unlike some. I will never call something fact unless I can provide evidence. If you question something I say, just ask. I don't usually provide links because I generally assume that people are intelligent enough to do their own fact checking. Some are, some aren't ...apparently.

Darkie, there you go again!

Overall, I have requested evidence and links from you on *many* occasions (not just here), but more often than not you fail to provide it. Saying 'look it up yourself' is just very lazy on your behalf, bud. And, if you read below, you'll see that your link has in fact weakened your entire argument. If you want to be taken seriously then you need to provide the direct, unambiguous evidence.
The link you provided (and your argument above) show that you have missed the point, again.

You purport to be talking about proof when you are once again talking about your OPINION. Do I really have to point that out to you each and every time?

The article (your link) certainly shows some numbers for MS entertainment division, which show decrease in overall profit from 2007 to 2008 in the easd.
But to say that this is *proof of 360 hardware losses* is just ludicrous!

Have you considered that the EASD profits may be down due to:
- reduced revenue/losses from Zune?
- reduced revenue due to Windows Mobile investment/expenses?
- higher expenses from research into RRod fixes?
- higher expenses from higher than normal extended warranty claims on rrod on near launch consoles?
- investment in advertising in europe, Japan?
- investment in Japanese RPGs development?
- ongoing development of all other facets of the easd projects?

oh deary me, darkie. This list is by no means exhaustive. Surely you know that the MS easd is comprised of thousands of transactions across many business segments that all contribute to overall revenue?

I suppose i should have made it simpler for you:
I want a link that is clear, like this one:
http://verdisreviews.com/ne...
That link is NOT ambiguous.
(Yours is)
You have shown no proof, only a personal agenda, it seems.

Come on, darkie, you need to do better.
With regard to your debate so far, some might consider you a fool.
Personally, I like to refrain from negative stereotyping.
....but if the shoe fits?

First off, you've never requested links that I haven't provided.
Don't make like I'm hiding something or refuse to backup my claims. Just ask and you shall receive.

Secondly, while you think you've got some great points there you didn't actually look at the data I provided for those too lazy to look it up for themselves.
Increased revenue, my friend. Revenue is up during the period. IE, more money coming in, so you're "reduced revenue due to this and that" argument is moot because revenue has increased, not decreased.

Now, those other points you brought up could have a possible impact - but 60% of holiday profits over last year? All those points you mentioned were present last year. Like I said, the only thing different was the price cut on the 360.

Believe me, I fully understand the complexity of Microsoft's greater operations. We are just talking about MS entertainment here.

Finally, your reading comprehension needs work. FACT: MS profits over this past holiday were down 60% year over year on increased sales and revenue. I provided back up for that, which you acknowledge. Never once did I saw this was a fact that MS is selling the 360 at a loss again. That's just my opinion - and I've been very clear on that, but given the evidence and a little common sense you really don't have to read that much between the lines to figure out that the 360 price cut causing a loss again certainly fits the evidence we see.

Now finally, you talk to me about having a personal agenda, then you provide some link to an article about the PS3 selling at a $50 loss. What on god's green earth does that have to do about what was being discussed? Typical response when you don't have an argument - point somewhere else and scream "Look over there!"

Nice try, buddy boy.

*groans*.... where to begin?

That's a lot of spin for not a lot of substance.
I am astounded at how much you tried to save face, darkie!

Not only did you *not* read my post properly, but you are confused about what are the relevant earnings to be discussed here.

Did you actually read the balance sheet?
... no, it seems you didn't.
You didn't even read and comprehend the balance sheet of the link you yourself provided. My goodness, darkie, you need to do a lot better!

In your haste you quoted overall MS revenue, while i am quoting EASD revenue. The devil is in the details, darkie... don't forget that!

Entertainment and services division (of which the 360 is part)
is what you want to be looking at, my good friend.
That EASD revenue, is in fact down (as I pointed out- go back and check), which i qualified with plenty of viable reasons.

I do believe you have made yourself look a bit silly AGAIN. *sighs*

Oh, and as for the ps3 link, I posted that to show you what kind of evidence is required.
Circumstantial, vague speculation around what might constitute losses or profits for MS just won't do, darkie.
Give me a link like this:
http://verdisreviews.com/ne...
Come on, I am just using it as an example so that you may follow my lead!

Next time, find the direct evidence, just like what i provided (and make sure you read it properly, first). If I can do it, then so can you.

I guess the difference between you and me is I provide strong evidence, while you provide circumstantial references, which are vague to say the least.
Still, that ignorant habit of yours seems to keep you safely deluded, so i guess it's not all bad.

In the end, until you do provide direct, unambiguos factual evidence, everything you have presented is speculative opinion and is open to interpretation.
You and I both know it.

Keep at it, dude. You'll get there.
;)

"That EASD revenue, is in fact down (as I pointed out- go back and check), which i qualified with plenty of viable reasons."

Dead wrong. You go back and have a look. If you're having some difficulty deciphering what you're seeing, feel free to PM me and perhaps I can help you. I know these fiscal updates can be confusing if you aren't familiar with them. Also, I don't know why you keep bringing up that Sony article. Sony has their own issues, that's not what we're talking about here. If you're just using it as an example of what linking looks like, I'm well aware of how to provide links. No one is currently saying MS is selling the 360 at a loss, but no one seems to be concerned about a 60% drop in profit on increased revenue either. Otherwise I'd be more than happy to provide a link if it helped illustrate my point.

http://www.microsoft.com/ms...

It's clear from the balance sheet that MS entertainment revenue increased for the 3 month period ending Dec 31 in 2008 vs 2007. It's also clear in the cash flow underneath that section that despite the higher revenue MS entertainment seems to be missing about $225 million dollars. My question is where did that money go?

We have seen estimates that the cost of a console is around $180-200 for the arcade. Factor in cost of accessories, packing and shipping and those add up. Also, the Elite and Pro cost more and also received a price cut. The idea that MS can sell more 360's but are taking a loss now certainly fits what we're seeing, and the timing also seems to lean towards my conclusion. I'm not saying it's fact, far from it, but that $225 million went somewhere and to just coincidentally coincide with the price cut? You have to admit, it certainly makes more sense then your reasoning.

They've already taken the hit for warranty repairs, that keeps it out of their balance sheets until that 2 billion is used up. If it is the cost of warranty repairs and they've already burned through 2 billion...that's a bigger concern, but I don't think that's it. Loss in revenue from this or that - well we've established MS entertainment revenue is up so that doesn't fit. Spending on other projects like Office for Mac (don't' ask me why this is under entertainment) or money spent of JRPG's, no way. They were spending money on these last year as well, they didn't ramp up spending by 200 million on either of these for just one quarter.

Unless you have any other ideas, you have to admit taking a loss on the 360 hardware certainly seems to fit the bill. How can you sell more, increase revenue but make 60% less money with no new announced spending?

Anyway, let me know if you need help figuring out that balance sheet. Sorry if I came off a bit hostile before. It just pushes my buttons a bit when someone claims I don't back up my statements.

Completely wrong.

You just keep digging that hole for yourself, darkie.
I am just flabberghasted at how you continue to make yourself look silly.

How you delude yourself is a mystery to me, but heres some clues for you to spend some time on:

1."No one is currently saying MS is selling the 360 at a loss"
(yes you did - contradiction on your comment 7:
"At the current price it appears from their last quarterly update that they may be selling the 360 at a loss again."
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2."If you have another explanation as to why MS games took a 60% hit to their profits"

My answer:
There is NO evidence that gaming took a hit at all, only that the EADD (entertainment and devices division)has (very slighty) increased revenue and slightly reduced profit. There are literally HUNDREDS of reasons for this. I have already explained that to you. Come on darkie.... THINK!
For more info on what comprises the eadd, read this, and be quick about it before you speak again, please!
http://www.microsoft.com/pr...

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Further, you continue to ask rhetorical questions, when i have already answered them previously. All you have to do is READ, darkie.

eg: "Like I said, the only thing different was the price cut on the 360. "
eg: "MS entertainment seems to be missing about $225 million dollars. My question is where did that money go? "

My answer:
The eadd is comprised of The E&D Division is composed of five main businesses: the Interactive Entertainment Business, home to the Xbox and Games for Windows gaming platforms; the Mobile Communications Business, which develops and markets Windows Mobile software, services and applications; the Music Business, developers of Zune portable entertainment devices and services; the Connected TV Business, which includes Microsoft Mediaroom and Windows Media Center; and the Specialized Devices and Applications Business, which includes the Hardware Group, Microsoft Surface, Office for Mac, Microsoft Auto and Windows Embedded software.

The EADD has thousands of projects going on. For you to extrapolate a 360 hardware loss from an overall balance sheet is extremely banal.
I fear for the finance industry if you are what they have to offer.
And what's more, even though i already explained all of that to you, you stick to your debunked guns? wtf?

Please, darkie, in the interest of your self-respect, just say:
"Yes I was wrong, my reasoning was speculative and flawed based on the evidence i submitted"

Then next time, before you present your opinion and subjective interpretation as fact, do a reality check and find some proper evidence.

I just feel that I am being very reasonable and factual, while you continue to act defiant and obnoxiously rebellious, like a child before bedtime.

Look back at your comment at 7, darkie.
Read it, and then read my comments.

It will make a lot more sense, because now it is just your jilted ego talking.

:)

Grow up. If you looked at the comments I was replying to they are to refute what idotic fanboys preach. I never once stated I hate the PS3, matter of fact if you actually look at most of my "fanboy" comments I praise the PS3 for it's great hardware. Believing that Sony's joke of a marketing department and there too pricey of a system in a poor economy equals a hardship in this gen, is not fanboy based, it's actual truth, and the figures back it up, that's why Sony is in third. If the economy was booming, this generation would be so close, it would be amazing.

I will say it again, take off your fanboy goggles and read what I am typing. I LOVE SONY, I think they make great TV's, Computers, and other electronics, but this generation, I believe Microsoft delivered a more affordable and overall better experience for my money. If that makes me a fanboy, then I am the biggest fanboy ever.