"We were talking to a Microsoft spokesperson who had this to say about Killzone 2 and Microsoft’s future:"

What was this "spokespersons" name?

Btw, I spoke to Richard Lionheart from beyond the grave yesterday and he confirmed that Alan Wake will be released in 2009...

KZ2 has the best lighting effects I have EVER seen in this generation but sadly it falls down in texture

However, GG did a great job they truly made an Icon with KZ2

Well I really do hope it surpasses it, just like hope other playstation games will surpass it. Isn't it normal that at one point games from both consoles will surpass KZ2? That's how it has always been, you always make beter games, better physics, better graphics and so forth. Thats just the way it goes duh

As a 360 owner I was excited when Gears was released back in 2006. The bar had been raised and I was excited for what the future had in store. 2 years later Gears 2 came out with slightly improved visuals and more of the same gameplay - not that there was anything wrong with that...Gears 2 was awesome. I just feel that so far we're entering 2009 and the 360 has not delivered on the promise Gears made of bigger and better things and I don't see anything on the horizon that can touch what I've been experiencing on my PS3 as well.

So, as much as I hope that MS is correct and they just haven't announced the next big thing yet...time to put up. My 360's getting pretty dusty since I finished Fable 2.

Agree looking forward to better looking games on both platforms.

reading between the lines what ms just said

= no current xbox 360 games compare to k2 (otherwise they would have said our current games already match k2)

an acknowledgement by ms that k2 is at the pinnacle of console gaming technology?

if i were a random spokesperson at microsoft and a game with no console rival came out i would say the same to keep people from jumping ship

Believe it when I see it, they still haven't produced anything close to Uncharted, LBP, or MGS4. It's funny this statement come out right after the release of KZ2, it seems they know it may take away new customers so they brag saying "Oh we can do better just you wait and see! We can't tell you what or when but trust us."

Also who is this spoke person why did they give a name? Smells a little fishy if you ask me, did they just pick up some random guy walking by MS's office and ask him what he thought of killzone 2?

In conclusion, Killzone 3 will surpass all of them. Yada yada yada.... This is almost lame, improvement never ends at least in gaming, and in a broader sense, technology.

Are you serious? Regardless of what system a game is on....do you think one game can be the pinnacle of a console generation? As many genres that are out there...no one game will ever be the pinnacle of a console generation.....at least not now......shoot, that is not even Sony's philosophy.

Going into its 4th year, why haven't we seen the types of leaps from the 360 we've seen on the PS3? Outside of UE3 engine games, nothing comes close to Killzone 2 has done. And we still have Uncharted 2 and Infamous to come. People should really just accept the 360 is maxed. It's not a bad thing.

As 360 owners we knew this would happen one day. It's happened now. So what? It's not like over the next couple of years there won't be anything released on the 360 just because technically it's been maxed. The old girl still has some life in her before she's retired. I just hope my 360 hardware lives long enough to see it. I'm on my 4th console with no warranty any longer, and my 4th console was older than the 3rd console it replaced (Thanks MS!). If it dies now, I'll probably play Alan Wake on my PC and move on. I won't be buying another at this late stage for the 360.

I mean this is kind of what you're supposed to assume. I honestly hope MS does surpass it so God knows what KZ3 will look like.

"Going into its 4th year, why haven't we seen the types of leaps from the 360 we've seen on the PS3? Outside of UE3 engine games, nothing comes close to Killzone 2 has done. And we still have Uncharted 2 and Infamous to come. People should really just accept the 360 is maxed. It's not a bad thing"

MS doesn't have 1rst party developers period, the hardware isn't to blame. MS needs to give developers the real keys to the hardware, make developing games cheaper for the 360 (to make a game that's equivalent to killzone2 MS needs to decrease their development and licensing fees) and invest on newer dev kits.(more than half of the 360 games that are coming out this year were developed on previously existing dev kits)

the UT3 engine is one of many engines that can work with the hardware, epic still needs to make revisions to the engine. (basically games that use the ut3 engine are going to only good so long as epic keeps making updates and new features for it)

(Blademask) your just an other guy who knows little about the hardware....and it's SOOOOO obvious to see who's side your representing.

just reading your comment made my IQ drop. why do you make all these claims over and over?

"1.21 - Sad day in gaming when a company doesn't even have titles to put up against others. Look, Kz2 is amazing. Everyone knows this, even MS.
We all have to wait beyond for Microsofts next unreal engine project, because it surely isnt' going to be alan wake thats raising any graphical bars.

So I guess 360 owners all have to wait until.. August and beyond to play anything this year? 2008 repeat all over again.

Ms is going to buy another Playstation Brand associated game, or.. timed exclusivity of yet another multiplat.. And uh, The Ps3 is going to be flooded with its exclusives that the owners bought the system for.

If you want multiplats, buy the 360. If you want games like KZ2 which are second to none in the gaming world. Buy a Ps3. Easy.Everyone arguing in MS's behalf just stop. Sony has spoken with its hardware & game lineup. The only thing MS can speak for is spending 30 million on advertising. What games are you enjoying boys? Ah right. Ninja Blade? and the Megaton Lost Planet 2.

Come back when you actually have games with coverage/release dates. Until then, its all just "buh buh buh just wait" Its the 3+ year of the 360, the only thing to rise above Gears1 was Gears2's multiplayer adding 2 extra players while looking the exact same. heres nothing wrong with buying DLC or playing the better version of a multiplatform game that ultimately looks 900x worse than Kz2, so if you're fine with that. How about being fine with the fact that the Ps3's hardware tramples all over what the 360 has shown it can do, while being on the market in less time? Yep the 360 has sales! and it has amazing uh.. controllers.. but as far as gaming? Come on.

You just want to argue, but you have no valid point. Every single 360 game pails in comparison to the PS3's exclusives. Uncharted/MGS4/Motorstorm2/Gra n Turismo/Killzone2.. these are all amazing looking titles that are great games as well. Its like you cant let the PS3 have an positive point in its favor. The 360 has to be the buh buh bestest at everything, and if its not.. well boy just WAIT for e3! E3 didn't do anything as far as graphical showcases or a single thing of the sort.

You people have been waiting since 2005 for Alan Wake."

get out much. do you have a girl friend? does your girl friend know that you do this? is your girl friend with you anymore? is your girl friend even a human? are you even human?

Care to elaborate. I don't see anything wrong with Blademask's comments. Care to expand on what you think the issue is. He raises good points and as a 360 owner I think he's bang on. Gears 2 looks like Gears 1. There are no 360 exclusives that can stack up to what we're seeing on the PS3. Considering it's been out longer, why is that? What reason do you have to explain why 360 games aren't getting any better when my PS3 has been hitting them outta the park.

Edit : @ 7ero H3LL. Did you really have to cut and paste the whole thing for that little pearl of wisdom you added at the end. How about joining the rest of us gamers and adding something to the conversation.

CLAIMS??

For Christ sake.. WHAT 360 exclusives out power PS3 exclusives? Stop the nonsense. All you do is hide behind excuses. going into 2009, yet again. The 360 can't show off any of its hardware power, so as far as Im concerned, as usual, everyone has to wait to see what it can do. Yet, in all this time, not a single title. Not a single one.

Not one.

Not a single one.

Its simple, either you can counter what I'm saying with titles that exceed the graphical and technical abilities of PS3 titles, or you bring up excuses. Don't try to insult me when you cant even do that. I see that bag of buh's behind you.

@ the people with accounts w/N4G.COM(7ero H3LL ) you're just as gigantic of a nerd as the rest of us. You're on a gaming website for games. I'm sure you're a millionaire with a yacht and uh 9 super model girlfriends.. rigght. Most people participate on n4g while being bored.

i don't need the agrees or back up for my next comment.

all you do is underestimate......that's all you do. and the fact that you put on a post apocalyptic attitude about this subject makes me crack up.

......dude, do know how many 360 gamers there are in this world....do you even know how many of them even read your comments?

your a little wrapped up into N4G's system, make time to do other things.

and first things first when you making comments like that your ignoring what ever projects that might come in the future for that specific console. you've already tried to assumed the persona of a game developer. i'm not going to compare games, cause that's all YOU want to do.

(and for those who think (blademask) is right, give him bubbles and whatnot)

i'm going to be playing the games i have, and want to play, rather than making a complaint about what other consoles do NOT offer.

And I see that its more of the waiting game for Microsofts magical lineup. Which is the extension of the waiting game from 2008.

But either way, I'm not here to Underestimate the 360, im not here to say anything or turn anyone towards any electronic device. What I am here to do is discuss this topic that is regurgitated OVER AND OVER on this site by persons such as yourself who have no argument at all against the PS3's exclusives & hardware power, yet for some reason you feel the need to bend over backwards to give the 360 the benefit of the doubt and we should all wait for the one day that Microsoft decides to spend 50 million on a new IP instead of extra content for a game & halo shoes.

You have been backed into a corner, and all you can do is try to make up other arguments that have absolutely nothing to do with this story/comment section in question. And the INTERNET-101-CLASSIC-WAY-TO-GE T-OUT-OF-AN-ARGUMENT, Make light of the entire situation and pretend that you dont have a comment history of 100's of comments on a website for videogames. "HAHhaha who cares anyway, I have a life!" Yet you sit here arguing this until you are proven to have absolutely no argument outside of "just wait!".

We all have other lives outside of N4g. But lets not forget that all of us, and I do mean ALL of us love games enough to participate on this website. I hate it when people try to pretend that they aren't as nerdy as I am about these things, especially when you have the comment history that you have buddy. We can all agree that for the most part, we are nerds who may have a little bit of time on our hands and yes, we can be doing other things, but we decide to spend some time on n4g often. I shouldn't even have to address this, but its just pure lame. I am not letting you try to take the high road of "well its about the games." That was inherent before you even started talking. Its always the case. I love games just as much as everyone here, but don't start arguments just to run away from them when you cant defend it.

You want to pretend the 360 is just as capable, when it hasn't shown it is in 3 years. You're unable to prove or debate otherwise. No one can, because it hasn't been shown. But at the same time, credit has been taken for it. Lets not forget the "OMG graphx KINGz" nonsense that finally died out when people realized all unreal engine games look the same.

Would I be a moron for saying the 360 will NEVER be able to compete? Clearly. Thats why I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that we have seen Microsoft in the media boast about its hardware, Epic boast about raising graphical bars(Specifically before Gears2 was launched), and the media question the Ps3's hardware capabilities. Yet in the face of all of that, Microsoft hasn't a single title that displays that it can compete with Uncharted Drakes Fortune, and it just gets worse from there. Show me a better looking game that stream loads as smoothly, has as dense models, the sheer variety of shaders, amazingly coded A.i, lighting, and amount of enemies on screen. Then we will move onto MGS4.

The excuse of the time it takes behind this games was thrown out of the window when GG said its taken them 3 to 3.5 years to create kz2. They started after liberation, as most of us knew except the people saying "Buh buh if you take that long on a game of course tis gunna look like that" Yet those same people can't respond when you ask why the Alan Wake teaser was phenomenally underwhelming.

Maybe one day the 360 will deliver a game that can hang with the PS3's exclusives, but you can't play maybes. Heres to E3. lets hope MS brings out something that it hasn't done in the past 3 years. Out of absolutely no where.

First off I'm not sure exactly what relevancy the 360 readership of Blademask's posts have to do with anything.
Secondly, you stated "and first things first when you making comments like that your ignoring what ever projects that might come in the future for that specific console"
Of course future projects are being ignored. Who in their right mind is going to argue about console exclusives based on what are currently imaginary games? You posted an awful lot and yet said nothing. If you have something to add, please do.

Its kind of funny to hear the ps3 fangirls talk about KZ3 it took them like 5 years to make KZ2. If it takes them that long to make KZ3 we'll be well in to the next gen by then. As KZ2 being the best looking game out thats great and all but its still a generic fps that is seriously lacking in gameplay department.

Also you might want to keeep in mind the 360 set the graphical bar so high that it took the ps3 3 years to get a game out that had better graphics. Not only that but its not any huge leap over GoW2. 360 was able to claim to have the best graphics for 3 years and if alan wake comes out this year it will once again be able to make that claim.

It's pretty, sure, but a lot of the textures are flat. The cover mechanic is kind of a waste and the dualshock just isn't very responsive. It's much more akin to a twitch shooter, as are all PS3 shooters IMO. A lot of my gameplay gripes would go out the window if I could play this on an s-type.

There's also no story. It reminds me of Quake, the way they designed this tech and just kind of built levels and environments to show it off without concern for a central thru-line. And as good as it looks, Marcus Fenix and Dom still look better than Sev and Rico. But I don't expect many Sony fans to agree with any of these points.

Having said that, it's fun as hell, the MP is awesome, and the sound is first rate. There are definitely enough moments that make me sit up and pay attention to justify the price. If only it had co-op...

Guns n Sword can't even explain why Blademask is wrong. He resorts to calling people fanboys instead. Hypocrisy at its finest people!

And then Uncharted 2 and then... God of War III will surpass future 360 exclusives.

Nothing wrong with a little competition.

M.A.G. 256!

ps3d0 is up there, talking about a 5 year development time, which would mean that Gurella started working on Killzone 2, at the same time Killzone came out on the PS2. Riiiiight.
Then he states the PS3 took 3 years to get a game out that reached the "graphical bar" set by the 360 - ignoring that the PS3 has only been out for 2 years as well as ignoring games like Uncharted, MGS4, GT5: Prologue, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, etc..
Ugh.
As for IcarusOne, I'm not sure what kind of stories he get's from his FPS games but I thought KZ2 was on par with the genre. As for models being better in Gears 2, you, sir, are on crack.

And again with ps3d0, I'm looking forward to Alan Wake as much as the next guy, but raising the bar graphically? Are you kidding? Alan Wake looks cool but so far it's seemed about on par with Oblivion.
Sometimes I'm simply stunned at the difference between gamers and fanboys. It's like everything they see is through rose colored graphics. Join the rest of us in the real world. The 360 peaked grahpically back in 2006 with Gears. Gears 2 wasn't much of an improvement. Face the facts. The 360 is tapped. It had to happen sometime, and it has. We all knew it would when we bought our 360's. Doesn't mean the 360 won't have more great games but the debate on which console can do more is settled. PS3 won. In the visuals department, the PS3 won when Uncharted was released and then just kept raising the bar. There's plenty Uncharted/Gears2 comparisons out there. Just use your eyes and move on with your life.

@IcarusOne:

You serious? A *twitch* shooter? Have you even played this game? It is any kind of shooter BUT a twitch shooter.

Xbox 360 won't have a game that surpasses Killzone 2. A console in its 4th year, thats easier to develop for and is apparently just as powerful as the ps3, and it has nothing that comes close to Killzone 2. Or Uncharted. Or Gran Turismo 5. O Motorstorm 2. Or Metal Gear Solid 4....or Uncharted 2...or God of War 3...or Heavy Rain....you get the idea. If it asn't done itnow,with a year headstart, it won't do it

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For the guy that said that the textures in Gears 2 are better than in Killzone 2, you're wrong.

I've done a pretty extensive comparison between the two games and the textures in Killzone 2 are actually BETTER than in Gears 2. When you get up close to many textures in Gears 2 you see that they are actually fairly lacking in detail, blurry and flat.

Are there some low res textures in Killzone 2? Yes, just as there are in Gears 2, but if you are looking at the textures as a whole I would have to say that Killzone 2 has the better textures. What's more, there's actually more DETAIL in most of the textures in Killzone 2 than what you see in Gears of War 2. Gears 2 often has objects covered with some generic bumpy texture that lacks any real detail--it's just bumpy for the sake of being bumpy.

Oh, and another thing I realized when I compared Gears 2 to Gears 1 is that the first game actually has better textures than the second one. Not many people are aware of that.

Then future 360 exclusives will pass those future PS3 exclusives. So who cares twice over.

I just don't understand KZ2 is already beat in the technical sense.

PS3 fans seem scared that would explain the reaction.

Just because there are hundreds more PS3 fans on this site they think if they agree with eachother they are right.

MSFT has already shown games that passed KZ2 and in its alpha stage too.

I don't think PS3 is capable of the next gen textures the 360 displays.

that Sony would make a comment like this. The bloggers would skewer them for sounding "arrogant". Such a double standard, especially since MS has no games to back up their claims. They still have no games to even match Uncharted, a first-gen PS3 title, let along KZ2, GOW3, etc.

Guns N Blades.... You just got OWNED or Killzowned(as these kids like to say these days) by Blademask.

Yes it is probably possible for a game like killzones quality to end up on the 360, but why havent we seen it yet with it being out longer than the ps3? Because ms didnt want to spend money for fees and whatnot? so thats ok? 360 is easier to develop also so its just weird to me that we havent seen it yet. Maybe alan wake will change things but from the tech demo, it didnt seem to go above and beyond KZ2 graphically at least, but that game still sounds sweet. But MS might have something up there sleeve, you never know with them sneaky bassterds. but they better announce something soon if they want people to continue to purchese there system, i was thinking about it with tax returns but probably just upgrade my pc and play alan wake like that.

WHATS COMING OUT FOR THE 360 THIS YEAR?

and that the 360 has been the lead console on most multiplatforms over the last 3 years, and that Epic is pulling the best graphics on the console but cant come close to KZ 2, it would be a real shocker to see this prediction come true.

360 game better than KZ 2 will require to surpass it in every area, including the ridiculous great A.I.

IF the 360 is capable of doing better than KZ 2 in technical way, why is taking so long, in a console easy to develop and plenty of developers with lots of experience? I hope this is true, so i can exploit the large amount of money the 360 has consume (console + Accessories!+ live + shipping for repairs- for Puerto Rico they dont send the pre paid box)
My honest opinion is that the 360 is not capable of KZ 2 level games, hope they prove me wrong

Yet I don't troll like him? hahaha.

"I just don't understand KZ2 is already beat in the technical sense."
-How? I bet you are going to say Crysis..give me a name of a 360 Game..

"MSFT has already shown games that passed KZ2 and in its alpha stage too."
-Let me guess, Viva Pinata? On a serious note, Alan Wake looks awesome, though EVERY DEMO they have shown has been of the Maxed out PC version...

"I don't think PS3 is capable of the next gen textures the 360 displays"
-MGS4 had awesome textures. I'm sorry they didn't have baby oil all over them. Also, if you actually played KZ2, the textures will not even cross your mind, all you can say is "This looks amazing"

360 has great games, and great looking ones, but how can you not admit that KZ2 has achieved a technical and graphical feat?

you know no body here thought about mass effect2. did they.

Mass effect1's character detail, surpassed most characters in ps3's games, even compared to killzone2.

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to (blademask), even if guns pointed that out you would have just clicked the f#cking disagree button and block it out.

edit- now, someone find a game out there that has better characters than mass effect on ps3. if nobody finds one i'm going to be laughing my ass off. (no bullet shots please)

@ 7ero H3LL

what about ME2? probably multi?

and ME1 characters do look good especially during a cut scene, why no gameplay pics of character models??????????? thats how the characters look during gameplay for kz2 you know.

but I have this picture of a rock and unless you find me a better picture of a rock i will just laugh hysterically.

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" 7ero H3LL

what about ME2? probably multi?

and ME1 characters do look good especially during a cut scene, why no gameplay pics of character models??????????? thats how the characters look during gameplay for kz2 you know.

but I have this picture of a rock and unless you find me a better picture of a rock i will just laugh hysterically."

.......rocks huh, lol.

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lol, there you go a whole mountain, you can't get any bigger than that...lol.

besides rock collecting, back to original topic, you still didn't find anything and bioware has never made a hint about a ps3 version of mass effect. and unless sony is smart enough to get mass effect2, their going to have to ask MS to give them the rights to ME1. as ME2 will have support for ME's data. and not mention ME is a long game, missing out on it's story would be a harsh experience to any gamer.

and about mass effect's gameplay, the gameplay characters of mass effect are used in it's cutscenes. so there is practically is no reason to post more images.

if ME1 looked that good back then back when killzone2 was just a baby, then ME2's characters will make killzone2's back a baby again. it took ME only 2 years of work to look like that, whereas it took killzone2 4 years.

haha dont make me take a pic of my rock hampster!

buttt a couple points i would like to make quick like.... ea owns the gmae now, bringing the second one just to the ps3 would be fine with me as i assume for others. EA is known for multiplatform so we will see in time. Also they just said dont delete the data from the first, you dont need it. And all im saying just from the gameplay videos I saw, didnt look like the pics you posted up, but never played teh game in person so i might be mistaken... but it is a nice looking game dont get me wrong. and also come on just give it up to killzone for the animations at least! so many ways to die!

"Mass Defect", let's not discuss the none moving, static, character models that aren't gameplay. MGS4 would destroy Mass Defect in cutscene character modeling.

Killzone 2's cutscenes are all in-engine and your pictures have motion blur. Killzone 2's in-engine character models look better and have more stable frame rate and no long elevator loading.

MS surely knows how to fan the flames. I think that comment brought out the F-boy in nearly everyone.

Anyway, we all know anyone can talk a good game. Let's just wait to see if the results match up.

Killzone 2 had 3.5 years with only two years being full production. Did you know they had Killzone Liberation to work on as well? Nope I guess not because you just look away from the facts and instead make some imaginary number to spin the facts. 4 years?

And you bring up textures, give me a game on the 360 that can top MGS4 textures, heck even LBP textures surpasses most 360 games. Killzone 2 has it all. Really intelligent AI, all the fancy post processing effects, deffered rendering, smooth and stable framerate, actual HD resolution, on top with above console standard texture quality. Like I said earlier, you leave out all the facts and bring up games like Mass Effect that takes forever to load up. Look at the actual gameplay graphics then come back and talk to me. You'd be really disappointed. Every bit of media you see on Killzone 2 is real time. Yes, even the slow-mo bullet commercial.

Out of all these comments... i only have one question...

What's a rock hampster?

or do you mean this: http://k53.pbase.com/o5/53/...

Oh you mean games that were announced yrs ago and so far have only been seen running on PC...yea PC games say hi to you back.

The Rage Engine from Id Software - which will look better on the PS3 and will be the next big licensed engine officially says hi.

This is probably one of the Rare titles, Perfect Dark 2?!? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Nobody anywhere has ever said idtech will look better on the PS3.

id has stated that both the 360 and PS3 versions will look the same. That is unless MS doesn't drop the fee for multi disk released games. id refuses to pay it and will instead dumb down the 360 version to make it fit on as few disks as possible.

@morganfell

Who said the rage engine will look better on ps3?

Maybe you missed a recent article in neogaf where carmack says

That they will port to the ps3 what ever they can fit inside 2 dvd's on the xbox 360

Meaning that the 360 is the lead development platform

Morgan and Kain81 can you both provide links please? Warhound has only been shown running on 360 hardware. There's a good chance it could go multiplat (if MS didn't show a pretty dollar) but we still need to see a confirmation before making fact comments. Personally i think that MS needs there own games and not titles which are touted to be heading to PS3 if they get a call from Sony lol. Hopefully MS listens and gives us a Halo with visuals this time that give us the next generation we were all so hoping for to begin with.

dont think .. unreal engine 3 has anything to do with this.. ue3 has reached it peak.. i dont think anything better can come out of it till UE4.. but if MS says they can .. making something on 360 or will rather than will be so better than KZ2 this is really intresting and i am a happy camper.. i just got my 80GB ps3 for killzone2 .. i finally crossed to the and have a sony baby so that is both 360 and ps3... well i am happy now i get the best of both worlds... i am loving kz2 now ..(and halo wars) hey ppl.. if u guys wanna see how i kick ur asses on ur sony console .. here is my

PSN ID:SENSEI-CHRONIC..
XBOX LIVE: SENSEI CHRONIC..(dont forget the hypen its on psn not live.)

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@ N4PS3G

You realize the irony in that, right? That in order for them to get the game out, they have to gimp it, just like GTAIV. So we really don't know if it would work on the PS3 better because A) They are porting the game from the 360, and B) They are leaving out whatever they have to in order to get it fit on the 360.

well, realistically, Microsoft had closed down many first party studio already, heck, even Bungie went there separate ways. so what could be big for them? like Rare? anyway, if they had something big, wouldn't they be like, "YOOOZZZ, PS3 Suckezzzroxxxx! buy our 360 1!11!!!"

I've played the game 1st of all and it's not. There's ton's of blur and is not light years ahead for crying out loud lol. Maybe you should try gears 2 again before making such wild claims.

Edit: "He's not the one that can't leave Gears out of the discussion, it's you." It's a gaming site and perfectly normal to compare the two best looking games on opposing consoles. If this were a sony thread strictly talking about kz2 then fine, but don't try and act like it's a dumb comparision.

It's definitely good. Controls are an acquired taste, but there is little else to complain about. However, for the past 2 years Sony fans have claimed on here that Sony is "innovative" while Ms and Nintendo aren't. Well to be frank there is nothing innovative about Killzone 2, at all. It resembles call of duty with a heavier feel. The biggest advantage it has, are it's amazing graphics. So it's not all that cracked up, as some would like you to believe. But it's certainly enjoyable. So I agree with thenickel, it isn't light years ahead of anything.

And it IS light years ahead of anything on the 360. And I'm talking about every possible aspect of what a game can achieve.

I own both games and yes Killzone 2 is much more graphically advanced than Gears of War.

For those imperceptive kind of people that just glance at both games and say "oh they both look about the same", well, those people aren't considering what each game actually has going on under the hood.

Gears has no real-time lighting engine, weaker particle effects, much inferior physics and post-processing effects. The only area where you could say that they are comparable is in the textures, although a more careful comparison I did yesterday made me realize that Killzone 2 has the better textures overall.

Gears 2 is simply not on the same level graphically as Killzone 2.

How long has Rare been working on the 360, with engines built specifically for it? Since launch imo. And nothing has even remotely wow'd. Again, imo.

Defend Ms or Nintendo on here more often, but Gears 2 was utter crap. Campaign was great, controls were slightly better, and the story line was more engaging. But the multiplayer was ruined with so many bugs, I'm astonished it was shipped out to retail in such broken form.