Yeah I would have to say it's great the way it is, but a 30fps online mode would be a nice add-on (like I said.... hope)

I swear Dead or Alive 4 on the X360 was running at 60fps and still had the online option!

Just a poor excuse from Sega, which is a shame. I bet when it arrives on the X360 in 2-3 months time it'll have online play for Live!

Shame for Sony users though. Just another disappointment for them following a very lackluster launch selection!

Hopefully some quality titles will arrive soon!

Are they getting to play online or not and if so what kind of game are they gonna get?

This is one of those game that can very well be won buy a frame, I've seen it happen. This game is so great when you have a bunch a people around and solid when alone. It's just great, no online doesn't mean much to me since i really don't play online.

frame rate is important now that the HD era has arrived.

Hopefully The 360v gets online play.
if not... then i'll just stick to streetfighter (sonic boom)

just remember.. that some games dont need to be online...

I don't like the excuse. You can see your connection to whom you're playing, just don't play against people with a bad connection. Plus, there are only two players online at the same time, which greatly reduces the amount of lag. For $60 a pop, it's rare that I'll buy a game that doesn't have online play. In fact, the only 2 I own like this are Oblivion and Dead Rising. Fighters just aren't deep enough for me without online.

DOA 60fps online available. On line is important because you get a chance to really test your skills Doa can get very intense on line.

they were just talking about the PS3 version!! they did mention the PSNetwork, an they said they included a bunch because of blu-ray!! again in reference to the PS3.just a thought!!this article might be just about the PS3 version since the xbox 360 version isn't ready yet!!WHO KNOWS!!

Mehh, will wait for Tekken 6
Sega is really lost these days.

lame excuse...no online play means I will not be buying this game.

Seem to me that some people expect every new game to have online-modes. Is this because of Live?
I sure hope developers dont forget to make an good game even without the online-mode.
Seems like Sega have done that...
Not every game will benefit of online-modes.

60fps means 1 frame every 60th of a second or 1 frame every 16.67ms. A 'good' ping between players in an online game is in the range of 80-100ms. 'Great' would be faster than 80ms. Common pings range in the 80-180ms range.

So under 'normal' circumstances, say 100ms ping, you've seen 6 frames go by on your screen. If the game was running at 30fps, then you've seen 3.

Ok, and what about reaction times? If you follow this link, you can measure your own reaction time:

http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/...

The 'delay' between the light turning red, and when you click "Brake" is how long it takes you to react to the change you see on the screen. My typical reaction time was 0.25 to 0.3, or 250 - 300ms.

Hmmm... so these guys are trying to tell me that because the game is running at 16.67ms/frame, that this is going to have such a huge effect on my experience even though my own reaction time is more than 10x longer than that?!

It would take me 10-15 frames before I would even be able to recognize that my opponent is making a move against me and react accordingly - even the simplest of reactions. That would be 10-15 frames AFTER my brain has recognized that my opponent is making a particular move and decided how I want to react to that move. The additional 6 frames that pass by to reflect my reaction on screen would be negligible - my own mind would hardly be able to process the change between when I made the reaction to 6 frames later so how could it possibly affect my gameplay significantly?

Furthermore, reducing the framerate wouldn't change my reaction time either. Making the game run at 30fps would simply delay, by 16.67ms a single frame. Big deal. It takes MULTIPLE frames for my brain to see and recognize a movement as being a particular "move" and to strategize a defense against that "move". A single frame, or even a few frames, does not possess enough information for my brain to analyze - let alone react to.

put it online and let me choose if I like it. Sounds like an crap to me.

Well for the Xbox 360 version there will be some sort of online, every game for the Xbox 360 is online enabled, be it online mutiplayer or just downloadable content.

Edit:
"Were you taking a break from your job as a wizard programmer to post that, or are you just day-dreaming?"

Me and my team have been working on this mod for around a year, i'm using the source engine by the way. So yeh it was a little bit of both.

Lets wait and see what happens when the 360 version comes out. According to this excuse, the 360 version shouldn't have online VS mode either. If it does, then Sega has some explainin to do.

Playing games like this one on the PS3 without online features may be acceptable, but for the 360 is not. If the game is a FPS, 3PS, sport, fighter, racing, board, and others and does not have online multiplay it will not flight on the xbox 360, they may as well keep the game exclusive to the PS3. Most people buy and xbox 360 to play online and will not spend $59 to play a game for 2 weeks, beat it and let it collect dust. There is a reason why games like Halo 2 are still played, remove the online component. This game is no Final Fantasy or Metal Gear that are all about the story line. I hope Microsoft force them to add online multiplay or make them shup it oup their @$$.
Are you telling me that if I want 60fps(of which the human eye can probablaby see 30-40) I have to drop online multiplay!? This sounds almost like "If you want motion one has to drop rumble". bugga please!

but its really not an issue to me because i'm really more of a lone gamer. i would like to have the option of playing online against other people but i doubt it would be utilized much by me. i usually play with friends when they come over. and its a great looking game, i've been really impressed.

on a side note..........anyone know if we can play Tekken 5 online or if its coming?

GOOD GAME,and 360 gamers don't buy it,it means it shouldn't have been multiplatform.some of you think every game has to be online to be good.or it has to have rumble to be good.YOUR WRONG!

if you don't have friends to play against at home,that's your own fault.finds some friends.have a barbeque or something.i can see achievements added,but the devs say themselves,they refuse to create a game that would not be perfect in their eyes.all you need is a tournament that has lag in the finals,and it's over.someone lost because of a hickup.even DOA4 has lag.it can still be fun.but sega(am2)refuse because the VF series IS THE TOP DOG FOR VIRTUAL FIGHTING.why include IMPERFECTION?

i see 360 gamers not buying this game and then sega will change their priorities on which system to develop some of their games on in the future if you don't buy it.

DOA is 60 fps and Runs Smoothly online. Why is it that Everybody say VF5 is so Crucial in frame timing? I been Playing this game since Part 1 and Every year a new virtua comes out it gets easier and cheesier. I use to love the fact that VF did'nt have over exaggerated animations like tekken and now to be more Commercial and user-friendly cuz Sarah Kicks just like Hwaorang effortless and Unrealistic-like. I Wax ass in VF4 and Evo and i don't notice crucial frame timing when im executing my combos and i use Jacky of all people. Don't Believe Sega Worth a damn on this one. Many of you may disagree with me but i know VF probably more than 70% Of you dudes up here and if there is somehow online lag what make you think people won't get used to it.
All fighting games are destroyed by lag online not just Virtua but to have online period is the thought that counts.
You people act like DOA did'nt Accomplish this Feat (And it did this since Ultimate.). Ya'll same How DOA Frames Don't Count cuz blah this and blah that Bullsh1t. DOA Timing is way more strict than VF. Leave DOA alone for a while and you can't just pick it up and play without learning the mechanics and getting up to speed again whereas Tekken and Virtua does'nt require this. I hope they're BSing Cause i love VF and i really want this game.

all grabs in VF and Tekken series are escapable. Lag would ruin the escape window and probably make them really hard to break. DOA also seems to have bigger windows for certain things, but not so much in Tekken or VF5. Even in DOA4, if someone does a move that is punishable offline, it would be safe online. The game would then be throwing out all those punishable moves all day and no one can really do anything about it. It would be good to have an online for casual play but that isn't a good learning too and that's probably what AM2 sees and probably doesn't want it to happen.

Very true but in all of Virtua all combo's are done out of a low juggles when the opponent is almost falling since this game is small on hig pop ups. Most of the Combo's are little add hits on hits just before the opponents fall or during the Lay Down positon (Example Jacky's Overhead Roundhouse effect.) Trust me i can go one for hours explaining. The only thing the DOA has that make it annoying that VF don't is the Stun effects on counter hits which in turn you have to counter quickly to avoid being punished. Up to this Day VF3 IS the Best on to me IMO because you cannot keep throwing out attacks cause if you Block a Heavy attack the opponent get stuck. (For example i love the Fact that in 3 if you get up with a low kick it can be guarded then you can get grouching grabbed by Jeffry or Wolf. Also the Backgrounds are way better.) )

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VF5 is not like this, its a very technical fighter, and requires, in some cases, inputs correct to a single frame. This is the problem here. Alter this precision, and its not Virtua Fighter anymore. "

Man they been did this in part 4. The moment the character were able to grab when the opponent was hurt. Only if i could have Videotape what i used to do with Jacky in this Game.

@ JPpod
"all grabs in VF and Tekken series are escapable"
Being that you must know the Command used in the Heat of battle Tekken Escaping throw method is very user friendly compared to VF.

"if someone does a move that is punishable offline, it would be safe online. The game would then be throwing out all those punishable moves all day and no one can really do anything about it."

When is this? 98% of the Time DOA does'nt lag and Lag is Slow down with out control lag. I bet Some of these people up here never experience either game but just wanna open their mouth to sh1t.

AFAIK i Never really notice frame buffering in VF cause im precise period So When i hear the talk of this being technical it just a cover up because the physics is'nt over the top like the other 2 games. Burikai one is Technical,VF 5(6) is user friendly.

My 2 cents.

On that you can do simple moves with a little easiness yet your forgetting that some of the fighting moves in DOA take great precision and some of the greatest players on DOA online are the greatest because they have the precision to block, reverse, and pull the best move they can when they need to. This takes precision.

lag ruins game play. Get the "f" out of here. VF would not have been the first game were lag ruined the game play. This is BS. 2007 requires online play. Another excuse from a lazy dev. I use to love Sega, but these guy are crazy. They act as if VF is above all other games ever made. It should have online play, end of story.

My jump shot timing was thrown off because of lag in NBA 2k7.
My grenade toss was thrown off because of lag in R6 vegas.
My building jump was thrown off because of lag in crackdown.
My headshot in Halo2 was thrown off because of lag.
My car jacking was thrown off in Saints Row because of lag.

Get my point Sega. Make the game online for 360, and patch the PS3 version. We do pay $60 for this game.

Given that the arcade version of the game has networked play in Japan, this argument seems dubious at best.

You may be under the impression that your internet speed is fast, but in computing terms its a snails pace.For a game a precise and fast as VF5,it would be seriously detrimental to the gameplay if on-line was included. They could do it ,but then all you guys would be shouting how unresponsive on line play was.I'm sure next time they will develop with online in mind. Give'em a break.

Developers have been adjusting gamplay of Characters/objects in PC games for years to counter lag. For instance, extend the length of an opening or adjust the speed of a certain move.

Of course, this could change the whole aspect of the games but it would not necessarily change the precision. Probably the real reason why VF5 doesn't have a online mode is because it would be totally different on the developement side and only marginally different on the gamer's side. That's a lot of work for developers to code and modify only to give gamers an close replica of the same game. Most developers don't like recoding old games and prefer to offer something new when writing new code.

It was a poor excuse but probably the easiest for the non-techies to understand. Basically it can be done but the developers would need to take a totally different approach to the fight animations in order to make it seem like VF5 (and there is still the possibility that the game would still not feel like Virtual Fighting game even though the precision and high frame rate is there - Obviously Sega doesn't want two fighting games especially if the online version does better than the offline version which would damage the VF series if release under a different name.)

That said, there is definitely a market for a triple A online fighter. Whoever gets there first is going to have a real money maker.

Funky Town Im with you man. Lag Ruined my experience in SF2HF But my Record is 145W 10L. Get the Fauck outta here. Sega Better code the game correctly. There no excuse for game of this caliber not be online. i Said it once before and i say it again. Those of you who says VF is a game with small windows of oppotunity cause of frame counts needed and excuse to say that lack of innovation is the technical aspect of VF or haven't played a fighting game before. VF is fast but not as fast as DOA. And to Be Perfectly Honest with you Dudes i cannot Play DOA before Tekken or VF because i will consider them slow and not hard hitting enough. After all of these years VF included Walls and Fighter Vipers still have the better Wall Game? Fuk VF5 Sega Should have made Fighter's Megamix 2. I bet if Fighting Vipers made to 5 there would be any comparsion because this game had counters similar to DOA just that you could'nt perform them during attack.

The reasons givens for no online play remain correct.The VF series was NOT written with online play in mind, therefore it would be detrimental to gameplay to make the adjustments. V.F online version could be done, but it would require the game to be 'revised' and as already said by myself and others,this would result in a different feel to the game, albeit lag free-ish.This is a technical problem of data transmission over huge distances and not one of lazy programming.I do not know the technical makeup of D.O.A , but obviously there is more 'slack' built in to this game making on line play possible.

I like Slay the Spire but Monster Train on game pass has kind of overtaken it for me. Wish I could pay money for it on my playstation.

So basically if you paid for both services you get the shaft.
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Bring PSNOW to Australia.

Sleeping dogs please... Best and most fun fighting gameplay in a open world ever..

This is a solid list and I would love another Def Jam game (or at least on Xbox BC) after the abomination that was Icon. Fight Night unfortunately has been canned in favour of those UFC games which imo are quite lackluster.