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Will Killzone 2 engine end complaints about PS3 being hard to develop for?

Darkpower of GameGazette writes: "We've heard the complaint countless times, and it's starting to sound more like whining than anything else (see Gabe Newell or Hiroshi Takai): That the Playstation 3 is hard to develop for. We've now seen that the PS3 is just a different coding process, and it's becoming akin to learning how to ride a bike: Once you know how to ride it, you never forget how to do so, and you just want to ride all the time on it. We've seen Rockstar being able to realize it, and Bioware recently admitted that they were just intimidated by something different (hmm…would say a few things about what we could hear in the future about the Mass Effect franchise, doesn't it?).

But now it gets even more interesting, because of the February 27th drop date of Killzone 2. Here's a game that is sure to make ever PS3 fanboy smile and make them be able to give a HUGE middle finger to those that ever doubted the damn thing (now if they could just get that price cut). However, not only will the "hard to develop for" be squashed with the release of the game, but the release of its ENGINE to developers. It basically means this: Now these whiners have nothing left as an excuse as to why they shouldn't develop for Sony's system."

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ape0076225d ago (Edited 6225d ago )

is the best looking game ever,im at the train level,the graphics is so amazing to a point where you'll refuse to believe your eyes,the gameplay is amazing,the graphics has elevated the gameplay to new hights with kz2,it raises the bar.truly astonishing

unbelievable

must buy

AAA

system seller

imagine bioshock 2 uses ps3 power and space,a rapture that flows with ps3's power

a cod game with it,cod4's immersion and size times 5,imagine price and party

a gta city that feels truly alive and huge,with amazing weather effects,using cell processor and blu-ray

and all looking graphically stunning

devs use the ps3's power and with blu-ray.the seas are wide open

GO GO GO !!

meepmoopmeep6225d ago

this article doesn't really make sense.

regardless of how well the engine is
it's made by Sony and GG and whoever contributed to it.

that doesn't mean every dev is going to use this engine or whatnot.

i think development is getting easier for developers as the PS3 ages
and it's evident by the games they've released recently compared to the PS3 launch.
EA has gotten to grips with the PS3 already so have many others.

xwabbit6225d ago

Yeh kz 2 is amazing but people have to remember that the cell is hard 2 develop at first but since guerrilla had plenty of time to study it they got it right :). Now other developers can come to insomniac and guerrilla when they are developing for the PS3 :). So games now multi-platform games should look the same :P

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JD_Shadow6225d ago

What I was basically trying to get at was that because there is now an engine made specifically with the PS3 specs in mind, that any legit complaints about it being hard to develop for would be moot, since it seems like the complaints are because the engines don't play nice with the PS3, and devs insist on using engines now. Thus, an engine that would make the PS3 easier to develop for would make devs think twice before using that line.

Whether or not they USE it, though, is another story. I'm just saying that now there is this thing that says "hey, if you believe that the PS3 is hard to develop for, then you should use me for your games on the system".

Hope that clears things up a bit.

xwabbit6225d ago

So.... developers have been wasting 5 years with each game on the PS3 ?

STONEY46225d ago (Edited 6225d ago )

@ape007

"killzone2 is the best looking game ever,im at the train level,the graphics is so amazing to a point where you'll refuse to believe your eyes,the gameplay is amazing,the graphics has elevated the gameplay to new hights with kz2,it raises the bar.truly astonishing"

Crysis still holds the spot for being the best looking game ever. But Killzone 2 is the definitely the best looking console game ever. And since Guerilla has said that they could do much better graphics from their experience making Killzone 2, I wouldn't be suprised if Killzone 3 can surpass Crysis.

CaseyRyback_CPO6225d ago (Edited 6225d ago )

Little Big Planet - 5 Years to develop ??
Killzone2 - 5 years to develop ??
Uncharted 1 & 2 - 5 years to develop ??
Ratchet and Clank - 5 years to develop ??
MLB08 & 09 - 5 years to develop ??
Motorstorm 1&2- 5 years to develop ??
MGS4 - 5 years to develop ??
GoW3 - 5 years to develop ??
Heavy Rain - 5 years to develop ??
GT5P - 5 years to develop ??
Valkyrie Chronicles - 5 years to develop ??
Folklore - 5 Years to develop ??
Warhawk - 5 Years to Develop ??
Socom - 5 years to develop ??
WipeoutHD- 5 years to develop ??
Resistance 1 & 2 - 5 years to develop ??

Oh wait, thats not right at all. It seems that in 5 years of development that it takes for ps3 exclusives, Sony has released a ton of amazing games which happen to run graphical/technical circles(minus flopcom) around anything on the Wii or the 360.

In the time the PS3 has been on the market, it already has the highest rated exclusive that out-performs all games when it comes to Cloth Dynamics, Surfacing shaders & Detail, Sheer number of models on screen, Co-Op, and 100% customizable.

I think its safe to say the "duh it takes 5 years to durrr make a ps3 game" irrelevant, or am I wrong? Microsoft is still working on Alan Wake going into year 5+. Yet in the same time Sony has released those technically advanced titles. Killzone 2 isn't the best looking game ever made, no. Its the best looking FPS on a console, but Uncharted certainly looks just as amazing, and it didn't take the magical 5 years to create.

This engine will be used for exclusives, and the sad thing is.. its just starting. Imagine how the PS2's later games ran circles around the first few gen games, christ its going to get better from KZ2. LoL. This is insane.

OMGHI6225d ago (Edited 6225d ago )

CaseyRyback_CPO takes this 2 serious.......

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xTruthx6225d ago

lol i think he was reffering to multi platform games, thats y he said "Now other developers can come to insomniac and guerrilla when they are developing for the PS3 :). So games now multi-platform games should look the same :P" He wasn't talk about first party exclusives lol

Foxgod6225d ago

@CaseyRyback_CPO

Your wrong, the 360 got more high rated exclusives, check meta to see add ups of all the reviews, the exclusives on the 360 also generally sell more.

And could you please stop blurting out random technical slang that you dont understand, and doesnt make sense added up together.

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kevoncox6225d ago

I know people don't like to hear this but Sony messed up this gen. They were at their best when their machine was easy to develop for. They should have realized that the PS2 pissed people off and that MS was woking to be the easier to develop for machine. I think they over estimated their worth and their enemy.

The Ps3 is powerful but it's s agile as a bull. The 360 is less powerful but it is like a ninja using a hundred strike technique.
I have a ps3 and it just isn't as refined as my 360. It is quier and it has a higher level of custombilzation, however, simple thing that MS figured out that gamers wanted, Sony appears dumbfounded by. When I join my friends game, I don't want to have to do it myself etc. It's just a console that needs a bit more OS refining.

GWAVE6225d ago

I know it's trendy to say "Sony messed up this gen" and "they really screwed up with teh Cell" and all that, but I hope I'm not the only gamer on this site who recalls how the PS2 was totally blasted for its first two years on the market because of the "Emotion Engine" hardware and how tough it was for developers to tap into it and all that.

In fact, for a short period of time I remember some pundits claiming the Dreamcast would completely destroy the PS2 because the PS2 hardware was much harder to program for. If anyone over the age of 7 remembers that time, they'll remember that Dreamcast games looked much better than PS2 games for a full 18 months.

Oh, but people forget history so easily...

kevoncox6225d ago

I'm 26 and i don't remember those comments. I do remember EA not backing the DC. I remember Sony launching FF8 on the day of the DC went on sale(I wonder who MS learned that from). I remember people seeing a trailer for MGS2 and being blown away as that's not possible. I remember all the talk about what the EMOTION ENGINE could do and why it will change gaming forever. I then remember looking at my xbox and luaghing at the crap developers were releasing for it.

Like I said things are different this gen. Developers do not have the capital to invest in developing like they once did. It is too expensive. Gamers demande phot realistic setting and enviroments. Developers do not have the time to fully implement all of the features that the cell may be able to do. Exclusives fudned by Sony may, however, thoses are few and far in between( i know the Agency is coming out this years and so is Mag lol)
So yes Sony did drop the ball, being in 3rd place for over 2 years should be eveident of that.

xTruthx6225d ago

You are talking about first party exclusives like CaseyRyback_CPO did but 3rd party studios don't have 5 years to develop for one console, they have to do it for 2 or 3 or did u forget about the 360 and wii ?

CaseyRyback_CPO6225d ago (Edited 6225d ago )

Cheerfully Withdrawn :)

I understood it as the lame fanboy logic of:

"It takes 5 years to make PS3 games." I was pointing out for some odd reason, it doesn't take that long. If it did, we wouldnt be seeing any of these games..Surely there are isolated epics like Too Human, Alan Wake, or Metal Gear Solid that take years, but thats not average.

GWAVE6225d ago

@ kevincox

You always seem to bring up the fact that Sony is in third place as if that matters. Any gamer knows that the 360 released a year earlier. So, why brag about starting the race early? Let's take a more logical approach: which one has been selling more year-by-year.

Hmmm. That would be the PS3.

STONEY46225d ago (Edited 6225d ago )

"the 360 got more high rated exclusives, check meta to see add ups of all the reviews"

You actually counted every 360 exclusive and PS3 exclusive and averaged all the scores out?

"the exclusives on the 360 also generally sell more."

Did you ever think about the fact that there are more 360 owners than PS3 owners? And please don't bring game sales into this.

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remanutd556225d ago

at GWAVE , 30 years old gamer here , i remember those days where the gaming media used to bash the good old ps2 , saying it was game over , dreamcast will destroy the ps2 bla bla bla, why you think i dont comment on those articles? because im seeing the same exact thing that i saw with the good old ps2, wow i remember how they used to bash it the first 2 years and now its the same thing over again with the ps3 but people seem to forget sony is an old wolf in this industry i'd say the best for the ps3 is yet to come , one thing is certain , sony has the in house power to make the console successful and thats what i wanna see sony at its best , i know we have been getting unique games (motorstorm,lbp,flower) but i want more

XxZxX6225d ago

as long as u have a fat lazy idiot in the development studio. The complaints will never stop.

callahan096225d ago

Does a great movie make people stop saying movies are hard to make? Come on, this is a fallacious cause and effect proposal.

callahan096225d ago

I'm glad the PS3 is in last place in sales right now. If they'd just released their system at 600 bucks and immediately catapulted to first place, then they'd have not had incentive to make their system a better value by:

1) Lowering the price to 400 (the price at which I bought my PS3)
2) Constantly improving the firmware and the online network
3) Investing in original titles and swiftly building an impressive library of first-party releases
4) Trying to appeal to a new audience with mold breaking titles, challenging our notions of what we thought videogames were supposed to be (Linger in Shadows, echochrome, Flower, the Eye of Judgment, Aquanaut's Holiday, Afrika, etc.)

Good competition breeds innovation, and because the PS3 wasn't blindly bought by a bunch of fanboys, it has been vastly improved, great investments in great titles have been made, and the price has been dropped to make a reasonably priced wonderful piece of technology with all of the most cutting edge features you cold ask for. So, I paid 400 bucks for a piece of hardware with free online, wi-fi built in, blu-ray, and dozens of games that I absolutely love. I'm not complaining about Sony this generation AT ALL. They're doing great so far as I'm concerned. I'd much rather own a system that I love, with a library of incredible games, than to have a stagnating machine that never gets better with a run-of-the-mill library but sells better than the competition. Note: I'm not insinuating that the bigger-installed-base consoles (Wii & 360) are run-of-the-mill or stagnating, I'm just saying that I believe the Playstation series WOULD be approaching that in terms of Sony's support for their own machine if the PS3 had been the all-around best seller this gen, and that because it didn't come out the gate in first place, we gamers are better for it.

robert02676225d ago

but considering they did not take any notice of uncharted I'd say probably not.

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Zeus Lee6225d ago

Any dev complaining about the Ps3 being difficult to develop for at this point is simply not to be taken seriously.

dragunrising6225d ago

I think its a bold statement to say that any new technology is hard to develop for. It takes time to get used to. The PS3 architecture is new and as such took longer for devs to get used to. This is not to say its hard to develop for but there was a learning curve.

Chubear6225d ago

IW put all that to rest with CoD4 but has it stopped? No, it won't ever cause the FUD needs to continue to stop the PS3 momentum and which way they can.

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interrergator6225d ago

blah blah blah so long its comin out feb 27 wish there was a midnight if it werent for GAYSTOP

Sevir046225d ago

still i share your dismay in that Gamestop wont have midnight launches. We have to let Sony market this game the way it should be marketed. Xs fingers

HDgamer6225d ago

Because my gamestop is having a midnight launch for killzone 2 in my town. It's gotten more than enough preorders to justify one, however SFIV won't get one :(

interrergator6225d ago (Edited 6225d ago )

good for u man but o well so long as i have the game im set to get things ready for its arrival add me interrergator. sevir04 true true lets keep the faith in them atleast there advertising the game just saw one but more would be suffice

ELite_Ghost6225d ago

I love that engine! so sexy...

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Why Guerrilla Games Shouldn't Abandon the Killzone Series

Hugely disappointingly, it seems that Guerrilla Games, developers of the Killzone and Horizon series, may be done with Killzone for good.

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IAMRealHooman497d ago

1 was fine, overhyped as a " halo" killer
2 was a graphical beast at the time, and felt heavy
3 was good a refinement of 2 but not much else. weird audio issues environment were to quiet
shadow fall was pretty but bland

OtterX497d ago (Edited 497d ago )

Shadowfall had great Multiplayer though. Too bad the campaign was meh at best. It did have the occasional great moment sprinkled in.

TheNamelessOne497d ago (Edited 497d ago )

I played through 2/3 multiple times. I played through the original once, but it felt pretty lukewarm for me. I couldn't be bothered to beat Shadow Fall. I got a couple hours in and just went "I'm done". Never touched it again. It was awesome on the tech side, being a launch title, but it didn't even match up to the first game when it came to actually having fun playing it.

Rude-ro497d ago

3 in 3d was an amazing experience to be had.
Although not many experienced it as intended for good reasons.

just_looken497d ago

You forgot the ai advancements on the playstation 2 killzone one you could have a full team of bots doing everything even playing the objective that was a big thing.

In killzone 2 they always flanked you and when available used the high ground.

Playing killzone 2 no hud 5.1 audio was/is awesome

MDTunkown497d ago

They should finish Horizon story first

darthv72497d ago

I dont mind if someone else takes up the mantle for the KZ franchise. We are several years removed from the first game. It certainly could use a remake to gauge interest in the rest of the series. I know it has its fans... Im thinking of how a proper reboot can rekindle that old dormant flame and bring in a new generation of fans in the process.

just_looken497d ago

You forgot killzone mercenaries on the ps vita but it was the worst selling sony game for awhile there.

Yui_Suzumiya496d ago

Yeah, a remake would be pretty awesome

anast497d ago

They should let it go or sell it. No use spending millions on this project.

LucasRuinedChildhood497d ago

Would like a new IP before Horizon 3. Just because games take so long to make these days.

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PlayStation 3 Games That Desperately Need a PS5 Remaster

The PlayStation 3 may not have been the strongest generation for Sony, but there were still some diamonds in the rough that deserve a revisit as PS5 remasters.

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OtterX726d ago (Edited 726d ago )

Even if they could just remaster and put on PSVR2, some would still look great as VR titles and could do a whole lot to bolster the headset w these exclusives! I'd imagine the investment of reworking these titles into VR would be way less than building new games from the ground up, and they could be amazing experiences, and VR often makes flat games feel fresh again. The Resistance and Killzone games are particularly what I want to see!!

Rude-ro726d ago

I played killzone 3 in 3d and it really changed the game per being immersive.
In vr, that would be even more awesome.

darthv72726d ago

Funny you mention that... my son wanted to play some PS3 games in 3d on my PS tv and he was blown away by how good KZ3 was. It really was a great addition to the game. Im surprised there have not been more 3d games from that era being ported to the PSVR/VR2.

_SilverHawk_726d ago

resistance 1-3, killzone 1-3, uncharted 1-3, uncharted golden abyss, folklore, socom 4 , motorstorm, twisted metal, MAG, heavenly sword

Cacabunga726d ago

Killzone 2+3
Sly Thieves in Time
Crack in Time
God of War Ascension
Motorstorm
Modnation racer
Infamous 1+2

Profchaos726d ago (Edited 726d ago )

Killzone trilogy in VR would be amazing bonus points if they offer shadow fall.

There was a psvr1 Killzone project that supermassive was working on at one stage which wasn't up to scratch and Sony brand it back in house I was hoping we would see that on psvr2 eventually.

Personally I'd love to see some more love or acknowledgement of psvr2 from Sony in general it was a expensive headset and Sony barely acknowledge it's existence

seanpitt23726d ago

The amount of work needed to remaster these games wouldn't be beneficial on a financial and business sense.. MGS4 would probably be the best bet as it would need the least amount of work!

Iceball2000726d ago

YEAAASSSSS! I miss this franchise and wanna play it so bad again.

Father__Merrin726d ago

The time is perfect for a resistance fall of man game campaign coop multiplayer

InUrFoxHole726d ago

The resistance series is str8 trash to me. Socom 3 I would welcome. Or killzone MP.

Marcus Fenix726d ago

A Resistance reboot will be awesome

Michiel1989726d ago

That's what Bungie should make, Ill keep saying it until it happens

1Victor726d ago (Edited 726d ago )

Resistance was ok but Warhawk and Starhawk was better and kept me coming back for almost a decade of fun and petty revenge on the loud mouth unskilled players 🤣
Edit I loved capture the flag dropping the pot on the flag carrier was extremely satisfying as well as transforming your plane in bot form and stumping them to death 😱

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Michiel1989726d ago

Resistance was the best co-op fps I ever played after L4D2

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20 Years of Guerrilla: The Story of a PlayStation Studio

The Amsterdam-based studio reflects on its humble beginnings, beloved franchises, and growth through the years.

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SullysCigar1030d ago

Up there with the top tier in the industry. Love Guerrilla Games - Horizon Burning Shores is simply STUNNING.

1Victor1030d ago

Can’t wait for their next franchise

SullysCigar1030d ago

Same. They nailed it with Horizon. The trouble is I also want a new Killzone! Can't I just have it all?!

jznrpg1030d ago

I’m with you I want Horizon 3 , Killzone and new IPs

badz1491029d ago

I have yet to play Burning Shores as I just started Forbidden West (bought at launch, just unwrapped last weekend LOL) and playing on PS5.

man...I still can't believe the graphics especially now I'm playing it on my LG OLED. that graphics and with stable performance backing it up, GG really is the master of their craft!

Vengeance11381030d ago

32.7M sales in the Horizon franchise! With 8.4M coming from Forbidden West alone! Truly a hugely successful game and franchise as a whole. Looking forward to Horizon III

Shane Kim1030d ago

That's kind of a huge drop though. It's only been two games.

VersusDMC1030d ago

One year after realease HZD sold 7.6 million.

https://www.noobfeed.com/ne...

So not a drop off.

Unless you're saying a HFW should have sold as much now as HZD sold in 5 years?

Vengeance11381030d ago

It's been 3 games, this includes Call of the Mountain. Also no, its a great improvement over HZD.

solideagle1030d ago

lol you are comparing:

HZD: 28 February 2017 - May 2023 (6 years+)

HFW: 18 February 2022 - May 2023 (1 year+)

We will see if it surpass original number.

Phoenix761030d ago

@shane, 2 full main games, 2 DLC add ons, 1 VR spin off game, oh and a an official LEGO set.
Not too bad for an ip that's only been on market for 6 years

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REDGUM1030d ago

Wow, very impressive. I didn't know the numbers were so high for Forbidden West. Still playing through it myself

thesoftware7301030d ago (Edited 1030d ago )

Yooo, when I first saw that Killzone 1 footage at E3, my friends my brothers and I were like, Holy shit! When it came out, it didn't look exactly like it, but we sunk so many hours into 1 & 2.

I even liked Killzone: SF, it was a spectacle to look at, and even today it looks good. I hope they make a new one. Can you imagine how that will look, and they can get some modern FPS pointers from Bungie.

blacktiger1030d ago

thank you fps lover, I'm with you

talocaca1030d ago

Such a wonderful studio. They deserve all their success.

The Decima Engine is absolute 🔥 I'm just mad they have abandoned Killzone.

OzzY-waZZy1030d ago (Edited 1030d ago )

Kinda wish they move on from Horizon tbh.

lukasmain1030d ago

They are probably working on mutiple projects. One of them is Horizon 3, but another is a multiplaer game and probably somehting else.

Imalwaysright1030d ago

There were rumours that they were working on a Socom reboot.

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