up then the ps3 will have no one to compete with, the graphical bar wont raise as much..

lol

I almost thought that said "Is Microsoft Giving Up on Gaming?"

Dumb article

O lord here we go again. Can't we all just play games and not gripe back and forth. All you manage to do is piss the people off that want to read real news. Who cares just play the dang games you have and don't worry about stuff you don't. Be a gamer not a hater!

Microsoft are pushing online capabilities (features and such)

Sony are trying to go places where consoles have never really been before - minus the online features side, but i can see them trying with things like MAG and Home.

They're both doing their part for the console industry.

Gameplay > Graphics

I'd wait until Microsoft announces what they have in store for 2009 before making that conclusion.

Xbox 1 had better graphics than the ps2 did xbox win nooo. Ps2 did because of 1 year head start.

Now xbox360 has a year head start, and the ps3 has better graphics so you can expect xbox360 will beat the playstation.

360 fanboys sure are if MS isn't. Now all of a sudden graphics don't matter, it's the gameplay that counts. That sure wasn't true in 2007 that's for sure.

Well with the amount of wasted money on Download Exclusive content and repair bills for dud 360's followed by studio after studio being closed down and people loosing there jobs.

IMO Microsoft are more into sucking up to there shareholders as far as the Gaming division goes.

It's hemorrhaging and they have stuck so many bandaids on it but just can't stop the bleeding.

Its all a matter of opinion.
My opinion is that Gears of war 2 looks better then anything the ps3 has shown, Why ?, because thats my opinion.
A lot of 360 fans think the same way, thats why they own a 360.

And in before you cant afford a ps3, i am an early adaptor and paid quite a buck for my 360.

You people are just generating more ps3 hate by expressing your own opinions as facts.

Just wait untill E3 and some other shows this year. Microsoft will announce some stuff for THIS year. They always announce for the same year unlike Sony which announced GT5 already 4 years ago and which arrives when the PS4 is here.

Microsoft just aren't enthusiastic about videogames. At least you MS fanboys have your sales and DLC.

never gonna give you up
never gonna let you down
never gonna run around
and desert you

never gonna make you cry
never gonna say goodbye
never gonna tell a lie
and hurt you

lol :)

Now 360 fanboys will be saying that gameplay is what counts.
Still Killzone 2 leaves all 360 exclusives far behind in terms of gameplay.

What really has changed so much? A bunch of games that arent out yet? Killzone 2, which is one game? Crazy talk...the game looks good, but its arguable if its the best looking game ever on console.

I honestly dont think it looks better than Gears 2, not necessarily worse either, but I dont see anything there that blows me away the same as many people on here (yes, Ive seen the demo). Not as big, not as sharp, worse art direction.

But hey, Im one of those nuts that still thinks Halo 3 looks good, so my opinion means snot on this distinguished panel of genius. No matter how you spin it, 360 has a much better GPU. All the system humping in the world doesnt change that.

And for the morons who posted earlier that the 360 had nothing until Gears...youre retarded. 360 had people killing themselves over Fight Night 3 and Call of Duty 2 long before any PS3 was around.

The only "superiority" Microsoft had was in mulitplatform ports. The 360 is powerful, yes, but as far as exclusives go...

We have seen more visually appealing exclusives on the PS3.

What has MS ever shown directly of graphic superiority? They've always relied on 3rd parties like Epic.

If fact, isn't Epic the ONLY dev to tout 360's graphics? And even then they were showing off PC as well. Alan Wake hasn't been shown running off a 360 for that matter.

Once it turned out that Killzone 2 kicked the sh*t out of everything, 360 fans started with this "it's my opinion" crap. Before, they had this bold "Gears runs sh*t" attitude. I know I'm generalizing, but it's funny to me to see PS3 fanboys getting louder and 360 fanboys quieting down. It's like the two camps are switching places.

Visual superiority isn't something which needs to be pursued to sell more consoles.

Powerfull machines equil good graphics though mostly hardcore gamers care about that.

Microsoft needs to do is the same as Sony did in previous generations against more powerfull machines, n64, dreamcast, xbox.

With a shift to the general public microsoft can sell more consoles, this is something which does not require microsoft to focus on graphical superiority

Some 360 fans mention alan wake, and I find it funny because I have not seen the actual gameplay except for the supposedly in game trailer.

of course the ps3 is the more powerful console.

It isn't looking as thought the 360 will be able to match the PS3's lineup of exclusives in terms of graphics.

However that may not mean much anyways. The Wii has outshined them both with simplicity and good marketing. It doesn't seem like the majority of gamers are caring too much about about high end graphics.
As long as the 360 games look like gears and they'll get a touch better than that, the 360 should be fine. i also think they must have something in the works for E3 to divert attn from the Graphic debates.
If they have a poor showing at E3 or lack of any new IP's then i would say that they are indeed going downhill, but they MUST be hiding something spectacular ????

I myself am a graphics whore, so i own them both and that seems to me the best option

I am happy developers are taking the time to push the boundries of the Ps3. Honestly I could careless if my 360 is pushed to the max cause ultimatly its down to playing the game and having fun. To me when I saw Gears OF War 2 on the 360 i thaught the graphics were nice and alot better than Halo 3.

And put out press releases claiming that Xbox 360 is "three times more powerful", but their P.R. blunders may have cost them their one-year advantage. If their rhetoric was true, 360 games would look like Killzone 2, while PS3 games would look mediocre.

Not only does PS3 have a lot more exclusive games, the titles on that system showcase some of the largest innovations of this generation. That's partly because its specs, but also because the media and gamers alike have put a lot of pressure on PS3 developers to Innovate.

There's still a few hardcore fanatics that will defend their console of choice till the end, but the majority of gamers have seen what the PS3 can do and can't wait to get one. The price is still a bit high, but the games on that system are pretty much the cream of the crop. And as we all know, great games sell hardware.

Microsoft is doing absolutely fine. Xbox 360 fans have had 2 'Gears of War' games since Killzone 2 was shown at E3. The last one only came out 4 months ago. So now you have a bunch of blatant 360 smear articles coming out everyday making ridiculous claims. I keep laughing at the articles and fans comparing 'Gears of War 2' that was released Nov 08 to a 'God of War 3' cutscene trailer that won't be released until 2010. I'm currently watching Killzone 2 played in it's entirety on Gameanyone.com and I've actually come to the conclusion that Gears 2 was a far better accomplishment that we all originally believed. And after the K2 hype has settled and people actually play the game, the truth will set everyone free. Bottomline, is that we are only 2 months into the first quarter. Fan-blogger articles claiming PS3 graphical superiority based on cutscenes and trailers from games that don't even have a 2009 release date is just complete comedy.

The 360 has room left in it, hell we haven't even seen much of whats coming out this year anyway.

You can't compare PS3 exclusives to 360 exclusives visually or gameplay wise. The best PS3 exclusives stomp all over the 360 exclusives in every way. 360 exclusives are Laggy Glitchy and lackluster ie GeOW 2, Mass Effect, Fable 2.

PS3 just got started..... :)

People are just starting to realize this now???? Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet, and Killzone 2 are just the beginning. Each of those are not only visually superior, but they also have the gameplay to match :)

Poor xbots, I'm asking me since weeks for what games they are waiting for, there is virtually no game with any hype onsight, in other words all they get will be crap, poor xbots

It's surely not funny to be a MS fanboy now :(

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It happens with EVERY ps3 exclusive..."OMG look at this ps3 *exclusive, now 'teh ps3 will finally show its superiority"...THEN the fcking game gets released, THEN they come on n4g swearing its the best game sinced sliced bread, MEANWHILE through all the hype 360 gamers just keep playing all the great exclusives & multiplats released for their console, THEN game sales data is released and lol despite all the wild claims by the sony loyalist these *amazing ps3 exclusives end up with medicore sales at best, THEN their defence is well "it will have long legs", "sales dont matter" blah, blah, then later the blogs begin to question sony, nitpick & start re-evaluating those once *proclaimed best ever games, saying this & that didn't meet the hype, THEN the doom & gloom articles start, THEN sony loyalists go nuts, THEN they start lynching journalists, screaming about how life is so unfair, THEN I laugh at their conspiracy theories. THE END...WASH, RINSE & REPEAT....the circle of (n4g) life continues.

Am I saying that sales are the only measure of a game or that those ps3 games are bad?, NO but it does seems ONLY as though the ps3 fanatics think ps3 exclusives are "teh best ever", no one else see's this stuff in ps3 games that can't be done on 360, hell if anything 360 games overall have been better imo, thats why I own both but game almost exclusively on 360 and despite what n4g and some random blogs say I can tell you there a helluva lot of gamers that think Gears2 looks better than anything on the ps3 at the moment, myself included. Now with that said I do admit KZ2 right now has the edge graphically overall, however I do stand by my statement that Gears2 textures are much better than KZ2, and save the explanation WHY this is the case, all I know is that the textures are better indeed better, and Gears2 just looks cooler artisticly but hey to each his own also remember Gears2 has already been out since Nov and didn't take nearly as much time and money to make. pffft, lmfao if you think Gears2 or any game released in the next month or so will be the best the 360 has to offer graphically then you know nothing about how videogame history, how the development process and the industry works.

JOY

better looking games than Xbox's... mainly exclusives. Shadow of the Collosus is one of my fav. PS2 games but it IS extremely bland, thus helping the Collosi to look so detailed. Most impressive looking PS2 series I seen was GOW 1 and 2, while definatley they were bad ass... they were not graphically more impressive than say Ninja Gaiden!

When Sony are the ones making our very reason to upgrade to next gen worthwhile and count? Gameplay != > graphics
Gameplay + graphics = just as important

xbox exclusives that are built by MGS do not look as good as they're 3rd party exclusives. why? because they're game engine is old. I hope they're building a new one.

as long as the games are fun and look adequate.

i mean look at last gen. ps2 was the weakest of the bunch and even with having crappier graphics it still had a great run and tons of fun games. and it managed to pull off some visually stunning games such as the GOW titles and even killzone 1. so yeah its obviously the weaker machine but its still fun.

@ Aquanox:

Not PS fans, the whole media and anyone with integrity.

Comparing RE5, a MP title, to KZ2 is an outrage and even insultuous.

MS just keeps reusing UE3 in their games and keeps getting shamed by PS3 exclusives.

360 just can't cut the mustard.

microsoft will announce......ANNOUNCE WHAT?!

they announced fable 2.what happened?weak graphics.

they announced too human.what happended?poor looking graphics after 10 years of waiting.

they announed gears 2.what happened?gears is getting slaughtered by killzone 2.

they announced banjo kazooie.what happened?inferior graphics to ratchet and clank.

they announced ninja gaiden 2.what happened?NG2 was weaker than NG sigma on ps3.and NG sigma on ps3 was 1080p/60fps.

they announced halo wars.what happended?rts.no real huge graphics.

WHERE ARE THESE GAMES YOU GUYS ARE WAITING FOR?

ps3 fans are waiting and the results are poor looking games.it's not that they are not fun,just not graphically impressive.the 360 has hit it's limit.you just can't see the truth.ps3 is more powerful.end of story.

live with it.

apocalypse.............

Here is my honest take on this situation. I have stated this before.
The ps3 is more powerful, this was known before it released, we knew the 360 was powerful and had its own advantages but wasn't as powerful as the ps3 but easier to program for, this is nothing new, any 360 fan that denies this is lying but in turn we got the 360 earlier with a new LIVE and more games at launch and a better first year then previous console gens that usually took 2 years like ps1,ps2 even ps3.

There is also the brand loyalty for sony and the slow transition from people who ps2 owners to when they will switch to ps3, so its not like ms fans are blind to this.

The way consoles where introduced back then was Japan first then the US, NO world launches and such. Microsoft changed that with the 360 and Sony followed suit with the ps3. MS already had Hardcore gamers sold with its own games and its uniqueness with LIVE and online gaming, they also where prepared with every console having a headset to go along with the new LIVE. It was obvious that ms planned the first 3 years well when it came to games, updates, dlc, xbla and movies-tv-shows.

Im sure MS was fully aware that after a few years that sony's devs would release games that visually trump what the 360 can do, not every game but its first party games, Ms had the luxury of having better versions of Multiplat games for the most part and that helped keep ms afloat. Because of sony's ps3 1 year late start and lack of games and services MS was able to dodge disaster with the RROD issue and went the extra mile with warranties to avoid disaster.

beyond the fan rivalry we see online and here on N4G and personal beliefs MS delivered games and updated live with features that Ps3 didnt have or delivered later, they delivered Big games like Halo3,Gears1 and 2,gta4 ,dmc,Ng2 and on and on, like them or not they sold well and ms kept the games coming and arcade games. Hate MS and the 360 or not, MS delivered a gaming machine that did well for the first 3 years despite faulty hardware and despite a system that lacked a HD in every system and also took the add-on route(which while we hate it it still helps with having lower pricing)

Sony on the other hand started off slowly, lacked in multiplat games and lacked when it came to online when compared to how LIVE handles it, free or not it wasnt up to snuff and till this day still lacks what live has but its free and is more thenwhats needed when it comes to online gaming, But again to deny that its first year was dismal is showing fanboyism, yes it sold ok but it was to pricey and caused a pricecut ealry on, lack of games when compared to the 360 and because of it being hard to dev for multiplat games suffered and only the exclusives showed the ps3's power.

Now thats has all changed, sony is getting into the swing, games are coming out that in terms of graphics are showing that its more powerful and future exclusives will look better. It wont happen with one game but it will help through the year, most likely the 360 will show its age even though the 360 can deliver good looking games, gears2 and upcoming games arent something to sneeze at unless you just want to hate on it for no reason.

It might be possible that ms isnt prepared to go head to head with the ps3 so now ms will start looking at other things to take advantage of, new software, new features for the 360, more arcade games etc.. all while dleivering a few exclusives and continue on with multiplat games and new games like tekken and ff that where once ps only.

I feel sony will start to catch up in sales and funtion, i feel the blueray will start to show signs of life beyond what its doing now and that the ps3 will do well this gen especially with the pricecut.
But i dont feel they will give the 360 a knock out blow, it has done well to establish itself as a gaming machine with great online features and it will carry itself for another year or so just on what it has done so far, No matter how well sony does its not like the 360 will simply die off.

TO apocalypse shadow, Im not gearing this towards you but to people who think like what you posted, While im a firm believer in Choice and opinion, basing everything on graphics alone makes us look childish and ignorant. It paints a bad picture about our actual intentions when bikkering pointlessly on how the ps3 is better because it can produce better graphics and the 360 is doomed because it is becoming graphically limited.

Both the ps3 and 360 destroy anything that the wii can do but did that cause the wii to disappear and die, NO, its actually killing both the ps3 and 360, Thats the truth right? like it or not, hate it or not, think its a fad or gimmick or not, gearing towards the masses and not the hardcore or not its been and is kicking the ps3 and 360's ass.

Most likely the wii will continue to sell better for a while to come but lets say it dies off next year completly, staying in the game but fading off, do you think NINTENDO cares, with the success of the ds and wii and all the money they made do they care, No, theyw ill prepare the wii2 and start it again.

SO what makes you think ms cares, as long as they add things to nxe and live, bring out a few exclusives, bring out some games that where playstaion only once, add to the arcade games and xna games, pump out the multiplat games that will continue to come and add new features like they did with netflix and im sure they will be good for the next 2 years and while its easy to scream that they dont have much coming the pipe its plain stupid and wrong to assume they have absolutly nothing coming. That would be crazy thinking and not just with the 360 but with the ps3 as well, both sony and ms have more coming that we dont know about, even if sony has more.

So to think graphics are what sets a system apart is denial thinking at best, its a mixed bag as to what needs to be delivered to be or stay successful, sure top notch graphics is good but the fact is its not the ice breaker or game changer.

The fact that the PS3 uses bluray makes it more powerful right there.

( though i think that he wrote really honest what he was thinking...and i think he is right in some points )

because if i write something positive about the "360" i will only get disagrees ( thats how it works on N4G )

( like i said in an earlier post... some people on this site dont want to hear certain things... ;-) )

but thats okey... ( because thoughts are free ;-))

I love how 360 fanboys are now saying that graphics aren't everything anymore, it's the gameplay that counts.

lol.

I can't believe the dumb comment some idiot made on that link. He said the PS3 is going to ruin gaming. Give me a break. Great looking games will ruin gaming? Is that because he can't afford a PS3 and is scared the 360 will end up dying?

If he wants to talk about a console that's trying to kill gaming he should talk about the Wii.

As for this article, the console war is a long war. It isn't about winning a battle here and there. I think in the end the PS3 and 360 will both end up doing well and all the idiots who wanted to kill of the PS3 will have egg on their faces. It's not like you can't have two big consoles. We shouldn't include the Wii in this console war. The people buying that toy aren't really gamers. Unless they buy a real console too.

no my friend heavy rain will bully that, and if things aren't settle there and then, than im pretty sure both GT5 along with ico will set you back even more.

heck ill level with you, alen wake wont look any better than uncharted 2, so dont get your hopes up, sigularity, batman arkham are just 2 of the many games running on unreal engine 3, and being that this is the latest of engines is sad to say that these 2 games dont impress. i know, i know there will be another unreal engine lurking in the shadows but im sure sony's house has impeding upgrades as well.

personally while i enjoy the back and fourth input from everyone, from the hardcore to the new, isnt that what freedom is about, so its all good even the die hard loyalists who will only like the console they choose and rank on the competition even if they never tried the competition. You cant tell people what to like and not to like, all you can do is hope that some can be neutral to a point but to be honest it doesnt matter which system ends up in first or second to me, if one dies out then so be it ,ill play with what i choose form whats available.

After what nintendo has done with the wii it truly makes this whole ps3 vs 360 battle truly ironic.

In the end if the ps3 wins great, ill enjoy it the same and if the 360 wins then great, but the fact is neither of them are winning as long as the wii is leading. So its not about who wins but more about who delivers what we want to play and who improves on innovation and improves features such as online play.

In the grand scheme of things, who wins and loses a console race is the least of my concerns outside the time i spend online posting and reading. Between bills,rent,girlfriend,food,goi ng out,rent,car insurance etc... In the end i just care about what games are coming that i want to play. I wish i could be 10 to 14 again so all of those things dont matter but they do. Im more bothered if the 7/11 is low on heinekin on a friday night then i am about which system is more powerful

Don't waste your time with TheCanadianGuy, never seen a fanboy as big as him, he takes it upon himself to crusade for Sony in every 360 thread he posts in. Makes me wonder if he has a life.

NO matter how hard you try to have a smart debate about something fanboyism pops out of no where and spoils it for real gamers.

n/m

As I said before. This can be true, or it may not be.

But people will always have different opinions, and there will always be that one person that disagrees with you.

Hell, I bet I can go out somewhere right now, and find a person that thinks the sky isn't blue.

Sony fanboys think because they out number all other console fans on N4G's, disagreeing with other types of fans and agreeing with PS3 fanboys make their bullshit true lol.

Do you seriously think if all of the game developers and gamers alike were polled on the best exclusives released this year that the 360 would win??? You must be out of your god damn mind. Yea, Left4Dead and Gears 2 are awesome, but sorry buddy, they aren't even in the same league as a game like MGS4 or LBP. Both of those games have a quality of artistic integrity that is incomparable. Ask anyone that works in the industry that knows anything about game development. Those games literally EAT 360 exclusives for breakfast when it comes down to it.

Why do people keep bringing up Alan Wake all we have seen is the PC version its obvious the 360 version will look downgraded.

xbox 360 has had its day and with killzone2 coming and uncharted 2 resistence 3 i guess 360 is no longer a competion for the ps3 m$might as well call it a day ive payed my sfiv and killzone2 and these are the the games that make the ps3 the better and motorstorm these games make 360 last gen then you have the wii nothing on that machine but only to collect dust i dont even class the wii a next gen machine it funny how people but a machine what came out 8 years ago

That was an entertaining read.

haha. XMENS. CRY SOME MORE!!

a lot of you guys (more on psfanboys) claim it's because of a specific engine the game runs on, u claim the opposite system can't achieve ala FFV13 now look what happened to that?

now it was some 360fanboys boasting how Splinter Cell:double agent wouldn't make the PS3 at the time and look how that turned out.

don't boast about your favorite console, for it will bite you in the arse later on!!!

Reading through these pointless arguments has made me realize that none of you are playing games and you're fighting over who's bigger. It's just so funny.

that Gears 2 is great game, there's no doubt, the gameplay is fun and the visuals are great, but anyone who says there's nothing on the ps3 with better graphics is either lying or hasn't played metal gear or uncharted 1 which are superior, or ratchet and clank and motorstorm 2 which are on similar level

the 360 has very little life left and for the second part of it's market run the ps3 will be competing with a another MS console, 720 or whatever is called

that's why despite some minor greaphic improvements on the 360 of multiplataform games is always better to get them for a console that won't be obsolete is a year or two

Post at 1.39. Misplaced.

I'm still waiting for Psycho Circus 2 to come out!!

PS2 users did not care much about graphics but suddenly they are, nothing wrong with wanting your game to look good but the funny thing is I was one of only a handfull of my friends who had the original Xbox, the rest had PS2's, now however all but one of my friends who had the PS2 now have the Xbox-360, they love Xbox-live, remember a lot of the PS2 owners are die hard sports fans, unless the PSN can one day match Xbox-live I see most of my friends staying put, I am not so sure about the comments refering to PS2 owners having yet to migrate to PS3 because at least with the people I know they have Xbox-360, and lets face it the next iteration of consoles will make the PS3 look average, I expect MS to launch a new console and still support the Xbox-360, then Sony will bring out theres and we do this all over again.

I honestly believe that it is Xbox-live that MS should be proud of, PSN looks ok but Home does nothing for me, I never liked the Sims anyway, bottom line is Xbox-live is about close nit community, hardware problems aside MS have done a great job.

At the moment PS3 has the best looking games. But Microsoft may announce something that is better, I highly doubt it, but it is possible.

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So the ps3 has ONE good game that it? game over? mgs4 online was utter garbage. Sony needs more AAA titles so far 1 will keep it ahead.

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they have no choice.

I really don't care. I mean, I really REALLY don't care. I'm waiting for the next game that makes me play obsessively over and over, not another "cinematic FPS", be that Halo, Killzone, Gears, or Resistance. Those games are only worth the campaign... 10 hours at best. I want a game I never tire of. Something my wife will roll her eyes over when I'm still playing it 6 months later. The cinematic experience just is not compelling anymore. I had more fun with Minesweeper than I did with most of these games.

For every time I played the KZ2 demo, I played a Halo Wars skirmish twice. So, right now, it looks like HW is going to be that next game.

It's funny how the older you get, the more focused you are on the game than the graphics. Kids just don't get it and they can't think through the hype.

The Xbox360 is a very powerful machine. The problem is the storage system. DVDs can only hold so much data. I'm sure it can process graphics like the ones on Killzone 2. Who knows maybe better... But that will require a lot of storage capacity when packing the disk/s on the shelves. That will require publishers to pack 2 or 3 disks. Besides requiring special cases that multi-disk strategy is dated.

DUGH .....So many new this from the day MS released the 360.

Their goal was to get market share as fast as possible.

The only way they could do this is release a console which was EASY to code for. NOT necessarily the best or innovative hardware.

Just look how gimped the 360 hardware was compared to the PS3.

NOW we all know MS will rush out another box and diss the 360 just the way it did with XBox....MS is so transparent, sadly at the expense of MY wallet. AND I am not jumping into the next XBox on release day

I own an original Xbox and I loved the thing also a PS2 and loved that. I am not going to sit hear and say I would never want a XBOX 360 but the way I see it SONY one-uped MS with the PS3 and no news article or psycho Fanboy/girl can change that. Xbox live is good ,in some ways better then the PSN, but in some ways the PSN is better also. It is all about preference. It is very apparent that the only reason Microsoft can keep there lead over SONY,right now, is if they sell there product for less and that is what they are doing. Microsoft knows dam well that the PS3 is superior in terms of hardware that is way they invest so much into certain developers, media, and advertising to win over the hearts of consumers everywhere. It is simple marketing to them and I feel they pay less attention to there consumers and everytime some JOE BLow gose out and byes a product from them that person is telling the industry that this it what we want we need people to tell us what is good and bad in gaming, hardware, or movies, we need to be herded like cattle.