Actually recently the 360 has been outselling the PS3 in many of the mainland Europe countries like France, Italy and Germany.

The Xbox certainly isn't suffering at all. Sony just need to cut the price of the console sometime soon.

Avoiding a complete blow out is close these days?

"Actually recently the 360 has been outselling the PS3 in many of the mainland Europe countries like France, Italy and Germany. "

I hope you aren't actually using fake vgchartz sales numbers for Europe.

Wow, I'm almost surprised the PS3 sold over 200K. I was thinking that it might not hit 200K considering the economic climate and it's price, but it's still selling at a pretty consistent rate.

With the cheapest 360 being $199, I would have thought it would have at least outsold the PS3 in Jan. 2:1, but didn't.... interesting.

Where are the doom and gloom articles??

They are long overdue!

"MARIO KART DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA 360 9 132K"

Anybody else notice that they're claiming Mario Kart DS for the 360 was the 9th best seller of the month? Something tells me they're not correct about that.

is a pretty damn good January.

I like your avatar. Hey, have you seen Hancock on Blu-Ray yet? ;)

last time this year the PS3 outsold the 360 by 39,000 and Sony fanboys were trumpeting the PS3 era. and they were wrong as usual. arguing with them is like arguing with a twelve year old.

360 is just a better console with better games and better live service.

I said it then and I'll say it now the PS3 will never, ever, ever catch the X360 as #1 HD console in the world.

Actually Microsoft is... Considering:
a) they make money on their accessories
Remember about that big speal that the ps3 is actually cheaper than both the wii and 360 because it provides a lot of extras... Well, it also means that it's not going to be selling as many peripherals, so it kinda works both ways...

b) they have a higher attach rate for games
And each console maker gets a cut of profits on games sold on their system.

c) the 360 is sold at a profit (unlike the ps3)
The ps3 still costs more to produce then what it costs to sell, while the 360 makes money on each console sold.

d) xbox live
50 dollars a year, and every month there are new additions to the live community.

Sorry to burst your bubble from a business stand point, it's quite obvious that the more defective console is actually producing more profits. But it's pretty pathetic to begin with since you decide not to include the wii and DS which are raping both. And why don't you add games for windows live?

Bigger numbers mean nothing when it comes to actually counting the dollars and cents made.

WOW so much spin !!

@ Xi

the PS2 is coming up to 9 years old now and has sold i think 140 million

so the PS2 has got nathing to prove.

PS3 - 51k per week with profit?
x360 - 77k per week with NO profit?

Yeah, 26k per week, that is total domination.))

Wii - 170 per week, yeah, that is a difference. =)

@pumpkinpunker, you speak about WORLD, while in the rest WORLD(Europe+Japan) PS3 OUTSELL x360. :)
NA sales =/= WORLD. More over, Europe+Japan > NA, so with time, x360 will be outsold WW, maybe not in NA, but WW definitely. :)

you are pretty much dead on with your analysis. Those who disagree are just scared to face the facts. I predict a PS3 price cut this spring of $50. The wii, well, it's selling so well i would just stay pat if i was Nintedo.

what are you smoking? It's a 100+K difference. As long as the PS3 is priced the way it is, it will always be last in sales compared to the 360 and Wii consoles.

at the same period the PS3 was outselling the 360 though it didnt have much going for it.
This year Blu ray is established , they had a great lineup and the long awaited KZ2 is a a couple of weeks away.

KZ2 has a 100 000 gap to close down...wonder if that will happen...

P.S : Welcome back Nasim euh I mean Hannah banana

106,000 more than your "real" competition (for 2nd place) and it's priced $200 more than your cheapest SKU? That far from a complete blow out. Especially in these economic times. Spin it however you feel you need to guys, but Sony is steadily doing better and better, year over year. Don't let the fear blind you. Off to play Afro Samurai. That game is phat, trophies or not (albeit disappointing that there are no trophies).

I LOL on the thought of 360 without an $199 arcade. Is this what microsoft wanted? Nope. :)

its very smart to go from almost monopoly on the market (ps2) to last place and not even being able tu cut the price otherwise the gaming section will collapse

Is that what Sony wanted ? Nope !

The only smart thing in here is the PS2 saving Sony's gaming division from sinking + Nintendo resurrection with the Wii + 360 doing better than anybody would have ever imagined before the beginning of this gen : THAT is smart

Dont forgot the PS3 is still more expensive then the 360 right now..Its not a bad number for Sony at all..I hope they do a price drop during summer at least..

The $199 console is certainly not the reason why MS entered the console business. That is, getting an entertainment device into living rooms to create the base for their download service and other network services (no HDD???). It helps to slow down Sony to get the PS into too many homes. I am not sure if they wanted to be just a gaming machine in the first place, MS does things for money, not for fun (well, like most companies, err, all of them ?). And I doubt the $199 adds much to their bottom line. It helps to brush up the absolute number of installed machines, and maybe thru SW license revenue due to the bigger install base. It doesn't help with download services and and does not help to sell Live Gold memberships (but, then, they could have added WiFi also, if networking would have been such a priority, as pointed out frequently).

Anyway, PS3 is behind. Will stay that way, OTHO, most people I talk to would like to get one at some point (yes, also because of BluRay), but price is holding them back. Its kinda weird, I think the people looking for a PS3 are looking for a more complete solution, and can wait until the time is right, while the 360 people go for the primary gaming needs. Has changed completely since the PS2 times. I am curious, though, what impact KZ2 will have. This could level the playfield somewhat. Plus, the lower sales over the summer, and possibly a price drop will move PS3 and 360 closer again.

I am just amazed about the Wii. I would really like to know what people do with that thing. I mean, with those numbers you'd think you see people running out of stores with Wiis in their hands. But, interestingly, I don't...There are some interesting titles coming for the Wii. I might get the one or the other one.

Doesn't seem to need it... Look at what happenened with the 360 price cut. It's still sell the same ratio as before the price cut. The PS3 is twice the price, and still manage to sell 2 units for every 3 xbox... (Not 2 units for every 4 xbox since they are half the price......)

Let me see... Hard financial time, so everybody keeps an eye on their wallets and only buy good stuff...

200K PS3 @ $400 = 80 millions worth of hardware sold...
300K 360 @ $199 = 60 millions worth of hardware sold...

So, in a time were people don't have much money to spend, they still know what a good value is I guess!

First off, who the hell is talking about Japan? Talking about someone looking for someone to throw them a bone. PATHETIC!

Secondly, the 360 outsold the PS3 and the PS2 combined. (That's gotta sting)

Third, when are you PS3 fans ever gonna learn from your past mistakes. You guys continue to say "the 360 is dead in (Fill in region here). When will you learn that it's both better taken and more correct to say the PS3 is doing better and that you see them doing even better in the future. Naw, you'd perfer to make a negative comment about the competition and it always backfires.

I honestly hope the PS3 does gain some momentum, I want the PS3 to do well. I am tired of this childish fanboy crap that has been going on all too long on this site. Although I usually don't say anything bad about other products anyway (if you find one, please bring it to my attention). I usually challenge people that make airheaded comments like yours hannabanna.

Hell no. Nintendo and Sony have won two each. Microsoft, zero. The microsoft fans are using a year headstart with no security set in stone for "teh second place". 360 "leads" PS3 only in USA.

last year PS3 was also 100 bucks more as opposed to being 200 bucks more now today. They way you spin things is amazing. A 200 dollar difference in price is a big gap whereas 100.00 wasn't. Nice try.

a) If there are three consoles out compared to one, don't you think that the 3 combined will make more money on the combined accessories than that of just one system?

b) Higher attach rate of games yet only one system attached to them. Think about the fact that PSN is on two systems. With 3 systems using a disc based media. The numbers add up.

c) Unfortunately you are wrong there. The 360 is sold at a loss. The only article to claim that Xbox 360 making a profit was its division. Not the hardware on sale. And when you think about the money lost in the Red Ring Fiasco they are still at a loss.

d) What lacks in charging for a service equates to more sales in games and peripherals.

Also Windows games for live are not included in the NPD numbers. The retail numbers are to low to count and the Steam numbers are unavailable. So until someone decides to post those numbers its a moot point. Also In terms of Nintendo and Profit, yes Nintendo are raping competition. But than again do you consider Nintendo as part of the same pack as Microsoft and Sony?

Last year PS3 was outselling 360 at the price point of 299 vs. 399....

Not by much, but it was still doing so, without GTA IV, without any of big hitter per say, and this was after Halo 3 was released.

This year 360 is beating PS3 by a far margin, or big margin, at 399 vs. 199.

If Somehow PS3 was beating 360 at $399 vs. $199, that would likely spell doom for 360, because if you can beat a system 200 dollars more expensive, while boasting just as many games as PS3, if not more, a better online system (Even if you have to pay), i'd say you'd have some problems. Obviously this isn't the case....

Question, how many 360's were sold last year at $299? That's the closest thing you can compare PS3 to 360, even though economic climate is different amongst other things...

Each system are in different cycles...360 afforded a 100 dollar price cut at around Sept/Oct last year, if something similar were to happen for the PS3, that would be at Sept/Oct this year.

Fact is, PS3 is selling more (overall) than 360 if you align their launches, now the question is can PS3 have as good if not better year than 360 had last year.

100k is not enough for XBOX 360.
PS3 easily get that back from EU and JP.
XBOX 360 is in trouble now.

I think those are pretty impressive numbers for all three companies. For the price of the ps3 I think Sony would be happy with those numbers. I wouldn't expect the ps3 to outsell the 360 when it's still coming off the momentum of the pricecut from the holidays but I do see the gap getting shorter.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

hmm great month all around for all 3 companies..

I was expecting the 360 to have a larger gap than 100k....seems like the momentum is slowing a lil now...

Sony should be happy with the figures the PS3 is putting up at it steep price point...

Playstation fans are good at NPD spin, after all they have had over 2yrs of practice.

blah blah blah. Every month npd. Always the same comments.

LOL it only sells because it's cheap,I can't wait until SONY drops the PS3's price tag,PS3's will be selling like crazy and outselling the Xbox 360 every month!!

Sony is actually making a profit, don't see that happening with Microsoft, at least not from their Hardware sales.

Yet again, Nintendo kills it.

it's a family gathering.... of sort. that's why i love N4G.

Blessings to you all.. and bow down to me! q:

I thought past arguments were always about just the PS3 vs 360.

Now I see the PS2 thrown in, and then the PSP tacked on the end too, to bulk up the Sony sales figures.

Pretty good for a console with defective hardware, a non-free online, less fanboys, PWNED last gen, no games, and not as popular as the playstation brand. Just pointing out.

Sales number!

Can't wait to get home and see just how much better my games play now that I know who sold how many last month!

/sarcasm

Funny, when the PS3 outsells the xobx 2:1 in Japan, 20,000 unites to 10,000 units, people harp on about how the PS3 is dominating and the xbox is struggling ...

but when the Xbox outsells the PS3 3:1 (over christmas persiod) of 800,000 units to around 275,000 units, and even now it's almost 2:1 with the xbox outselling the PS3 by 160,000 units (16 times the difference in Japan), you people STILL say that the xbox is suffereing at the PS3 is gaining?

Seriously WTF?

There's NO perfect data for any of these numbers but if anyone dares points out the xbox is actually doing really well(I mean who would have thought) you lot say it's all fake numbers and bullsh!t ... but as soon as the figures show any gains by PS3 suddenly the numbers are a true reflection ... and VGCharts etc aren't so bad ....

FACT, Sony's PS3 has lost most if not ALL ground it made against xbox from launch, and it will NEVER make the ground up or eventually overtake the xbox unless it continues to sell many more consoles week on week than the 360.

And to the retards who compare the Xbox sales to Sony's PS3,PS2 and PSP - This has been the biggest fail of all... You don't see anyone adding Microsofts sales of operating systems ect ... because it's retarded.

Right now xbox360 pwns PS3 for sales, and that's the only thing anyone cares about. If the PS3 was such aworth wile purchase, why haven't the 120,000,000 PS2 users come on board yet?

1.3 - Sorry I'm late
PlayStation 2 101.2K
PlayStation 3 203.2K
PSP 172.3K

vs.

Xbox 360 309K

Take a guess who is making more money?

That be MS they post profits not a 1.65 billion dollars lose for the year

Have you seen Sony's stock lately? Welcome to the sub $20 Sony. Price reduction in the future? Make the hard call and start selling more hardware. While your at it throw in BC...

Actually fear, you are incorrect. The 360 is sold pretty much right at the line between profit and loss according to most analysts.

Microsoft's financial reports for the past couple years show that they've actually made up a good amount of money from the RROD deal, and will start making back money they lost on the original soon.

So much spinning from both camps that im getting dizzy.

We saw the 360 make record sales this holiday season, they have increased revenue but they made 60% less profit vs the same quarter last year based on their own financial statements.
What happened during that quarter? Just the price cut, so it's pretty safe to assume they aren't making money off the hardware at the current price point anymore. When you factor in XBL brings in some $700 million in revenue from subscriptions alone every year and the only year they've ever made money they made $400 million, it's also pretty safe to say that XBL fees are the only thing keeping MS games and entertainment division out of the hole at the moment.
Feel free to correct me if I'm missing something but it seems cut and dry.

Do you think it doesn't cost any money to run XBL? or that they do no RnD?

@KRUSSIDULL:

Judging by the killzone fanboys, I'm happy there are fewer fanboys. We should just let the PS3 fanboys sully the name of Sony. They are just so good at it.

200 dollars is the price point where console supposed to explode in sales.

That isn't happening with the 360.

Hell, in Europe the 360 looks like it actually under 200 dollars and it is getting destroyed in sales by the massively more expensive PS3.

Looks like the 360 is going to end up with the same installed base as the Xbox coming almost entirely from the US and UK with overall installed base numbers inflated somewhat above the Xbox by the massive number of people who have bought 3,4, or even 5 360 hoping for one that works, is less noisy, and/or doesn't scratch or destroy their game discs.

Yeah, you can get BluRay players for under 200 dollars now with various deals at stores. They are even giving them away with HD TVs now.

Gotta update those year old talking points.

they cant sell more if you dont go and buy it duh.

it's like you said its cheaper than the wii, and you still dont have one?

shouldn't the ps2 be out selling the wii and 360?

1. The PSone sold like 120 million units

2. The Ps2 sold over 140 million units and still selling.

3. The Original Xbox just a measly 28 million units.

-I usually laugh when I hear some whine about MS 1 year lead.(Looking at Sony's potential User-base for the PS3 + 7 year jump, on the competition)

-Then of course the usual. Well the Economy sucks, so some will always go for a salad instead of a Steak.

-How about, it's the cheapest console on the market, when they forget Elites and Pros still sell well. Yet not everyone is immune to the economic times. MS as well takes a hit if the numbers are not satisfying to some.

What's interesting, the PS3 was more expensive last year and sold better, then this Holiday season...Well that through me off, especially with the titles that came out towards the end of the year.

If your gonna blame it on this Economy, well this recession is just getting under way, so that a big problem. Yes The Ps3 is still pricey and a cut is def needed. I believe that is a big issue with Sony but it's tough to cut prices while you bleeding, still.

MS is in the Better strategic position based on all the factors that is going on and it shows.

Why is everyone talking like the only sku Microsoft has right no is the Arcade ($199)? I don't know anyone who bought an arcade with most of my friends who bought one recently buying an elite ($380) and the others buying a primium ($299). I mean how many people do you really know with a 360 and no hdd?

I'd really like to see numbers comparing sales of the 3 Xbox SKUs. I bet arcade isn't the highest selling one in January (during the holidays, it quite probably was).

none.

lol I have to admit will being new helps, its been proven that normally being cheap is a bad economy really helps.

If you look at the list you will see Lord of the Rings selling at the number 10 spot, with the 360 version not shown. Granted Call of Duty and Skate 2 have sold more on the 360 so far, but other games like MK vs DC sold more on the PS3. Not to mention Amazon sales charts have SF4 and Resident Evil pre-selling more on the PS3. You also have to include the PS3 titles selling more overseas, but that should have already been a no brainer. So saying 99% is obviously fabricated. Developers are "taking note" by bringing titles like Bioshock to PS3, is that what you meant by the way? You might want to do more research on that buddy.

I would also like to remind you that with the 360 having a 7 million unit lead over the PS3 (27 vs 20 million) after having a year to itself is not making it the "destined HD machine of this generation" as you claim it is. I mean, come on. Be more realistic.

At my store which in the past has been heavier on Sony, Streetfighter on the 360 is reserving at a 2 to 1 rate and I can almost say the same for resident evil. Killzone2 is haveing terrible reserves across the entire Las Vegas district. Im not being biased here in anyway just reporting the numbers coming out of Vegas.

I think that was actually a misprint.. someone on the same news article posted a link showing that LOTR was actually on 360.

@borgome

Yeah sure, what ever you say. What? Water is actually poison? OMG!!! That must be true, i am going to die!!!

Sure you would buddy...And If BMW started pricing all their cars at 5k we would all buy one. What was your point exactly though? DO you honestly think that either A. Sony could afford to sell it for 199.99 as is or B. It would still have the same tech and features inside if it sold for 199.99 from the beginning?
If it is A please never run Sony or any other major company. B I have nothing to say on because that would just be too foolish to even bother over. A 199.99 PS3 from launch would be equal to Wii minus Motion sensing, and we all know how much Sony fans have to have the latest and most high tech system(even though none before were).

I just do not see the point in pulling up fantasies to back up your console. It will hit 199.99 one day but that day is a few years off, and by then MS and Nintendo(more likely Nintendo at this point) will come out with hardware that makes PS3's 8 year old processor look pretty pathetic. Do you really think at that point the PS3 would sell well compared to a console that makes the PS3 look as obsolete as PS2 looks when compared to the PS3?

At 4.1 -
If PS3 had 199 SKU, you would see 500k each month, easily
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Well yeah, If I could get a Bluray player plus an HD video game console for $200 I would deff buy it. But the thing is the will never happen due to the bluray player costing so much to produce. PS3 will never hit $200 in the next 2 years

lol I dont see why you asked him if sony can afford to do that. I'm pretty sure it was a IF situation.