sucks you get to miss out on this one because you cant use a controller man. Theres always fear2 out there with lightning fast reactions.

The only thing I'd suggest for KZ2 morons, is that you need to play it a bit slower than other FPS's due to the fact that KZ2 is trying to do something different with the FPS gameplay, and make each shot a bit more deliberate than spray and pray. Its the reason turning up your sensitivity does not work in the way it works in Unreal TOurnament. You literally move TOO fast to aim in KZ2 if you do this, and due to the real life motion blur sim, if you move your head around that quickly, everything will be a blur.

The guy in Kz2 responds more human, that has muscle and cant move at the speed of light. You need to understand that. If you do, the games controls unfold themselves in front of you. You can FEEL where your shots go, I play without the Display and its awesome. The standard rules of pulse firing apply, BUT the recoil in KZ2 is a mother-fer. You have to shoot calmly, or you will miss everything in sight. So be wary of that.

You literally cant play KZ2 like you play other FPS's that dont try to simulate the things that KZ2 is. Once you understand this, you can play it just fine.

Its like REsident evil, the controls are terrible. You have to adjust to the way its played, and the game is fine. If I was to be a lame ass "gamer" and cry whenever controls were different, I wouldn't enjoy many games.

Missing out on a once in a lifetime opportunity like KZ2 due to not being able to control your hand eye coordination, is sad. Train your thumbs to not twitch and shoot. There is no need to. The enemies have to rest and aim before they shoot you.

See that's the thing you don't seem to understand about the situation just as everyone else who says the SAME EXACT THING. It's not about YOU not noticing it or having the problem, it's about those who ARE having the problem and clearly notice it. Plus the shear FACT that Seb has said that they have noticed it INTERNALLY at GG should be more than enough proof that there is something that needs to be looked at and/or possibly addressed! It's confirmation from the game makers themselves for Christs sake! I mean what more proof do people need FFS?!?!

But as he said, for now it seems not to be in the retail release and localized to the demo in some way (although there is already 1 person on the PS Forums who has gotten his hands on a retail copy who has confirmed it's in there as well too, but we shall see).

I myself was close to canceling my fully paid for pre-order having played the demo and then re-downloading it numerous times on both my PS3's! But after this new information/update from Seb & GG I will keep reservation before making my decision to cancel it. But anyway, look, the bottom line is that no one is saying KZ2 is not the great title that it is...just simply that there are people who are showing their concern for a visibly noticeable & confirmed control issue.

We ALL want to enjoy the game and wish GG + KZ2 to excel in every way!

Its too bad you cant adjust, but ah well. Everything isn't for everyone. Maybe you have to stick to the COD4's of life?

I have no doubt that the controls could be called "sluggish" and unresponsive when COMPARED to other games, and its a valid point. But in the same way Resident Evil 5's controls can be compared and labeled. Its a non-issue buddy if you want to play the game. I'm an adult, if GG says "this is the way we want you to experience our game" I'm going to experience it this way. The same way that Capcom or Bungie tells its audience this is how you play our game.

Again, as I already said. I understand the gripe, but its nonsense when you are a gamer, im sorry. Nothing anyone says is going to change the fact that I and many others have no issues playing the game. The vocal minority is full of people who have all claimed to raise the sensitivity, which isn't what you do with this game.

Cancelling the KZ2 demo due to its controls, is just childish. They aren't game affecting especially when you factor in the GAME IS DESIGNED AROUND THEM. Its not like you are playing with these controls in another shooter, no. You are using the controls in the game designed to pace the way its paced. I have a feeling the same people are going to whine no matter what. I'm just saying that I noticed there was an issue with the controls when I first played it. I couldn't hop in and own everything in sight as I usually do.

I had to sit and get acclamated to the controls, then I cut the demo time from 20 minutes to about 6.

Controls aren't an issue. No matter what everyone is trying to pretend. Ive been playing the same FPS's that everyone else has. And again, its a shame that you guys cant learn how to do something different. Missing out big time. Don't take what im saying as calling you a liar. I'm just calling you petty for it. Its honestly the silliest thing ive heard in recent years.

And the trolling never ends

We need more people like you to bring these issues to light even if its really not that big.

People. The fact that GG said they will keep an eye on this issue is great news for all KZ2 fans. If indeed it is an issue and won't be discovered after the game release then it would become a big issue. It's always better to talk about problems early so that solution could be found sooner rather than later.

However the good news is it looks like an issue with the demo so people need not worry much about this.

Oner. I believe that you experience this issue but you should also believe what the majority are saying in that they are not experiencing anything.Perhaps its something specific to certain patch of PS3 or firmware. I don't know.

And for those that are calling oner a x360 troll. You are all idiots.

It's not like other developers. They actually do care about people's opinion.

Read the post.

it's got 167ms lag!! twice as much as resistance!! :O this makes the WHOLE game fail EPICLY!!!

/sarcasm

Thanx CMRBE! I honestly believe that there are more than enough people who aren't having (or noticing) the issue because I have seen a couple of videos that show an instantaneous action when they input a motion.

Plus after downloading the demo about 8 different times on 2 different PS3's I seem to have gotten 1 on my 20gb that is MUCH better (but still not equal to other vids I've seen) than the last one on my 80gb PS3. Crazy I know but it seems there is some method to the madness in what Seb was saying about how they don't know how it is possible but it is there in some of them!

I dunno? I was talking to Fig about it and I came to a small thought of that maybe they had uploaded a couple different builds on all the servers in the US & EU or whatever mistakenly and it might be a crap shoot if you get the latest version? Maybe? Possibly? Who can say? All I know is I along with many other are just voicing our concern and noting it to GG so it doesn't become a huge problem and that's it. I desperately want to enjoy this game with all it's weight, effects, graphics and storyline...just not with nearly or even more than a 1/4 of a second delay at times (167ms-300ms)!

Additionally to those who are going to question my experience, hardware or whatever. Here is some information for you to chew on...

1) Sony Bravia 60" A3000 SXRD that has a 2.5ms rate in my living room
2) Samsung 226BW 22" Widscreen LCD @ less than 2ms rates on my computer
3) Sony XBR 34" CRT HDTV in my bedroom
4) 80gb PS3 MGS4 bundle on a 1.3b certified HDMI cable going directly to the 60A3000
5) 20gb launch day PS3 on my Sammy using a Monster Cable brand HDMI - DVI cable
6) Sony brand 5.1 Surround Sound system connected via optical from the 80gb
7) I have REAL WORLD experience with the handling and usage of MANY DIFFERENT Firearms ranging from basic to exotic. Here are some videos of proof ~

Gun Fun
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Fun Contest Entry
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
And some proof of my dedication/investment to Sony
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I also have more than enough gaming experience (nearly 30 years) to be very well versed in the utilization/description of controls & input timing. This is not a COD "wanna be" thing nor a KZ2 sucks thing. Simply an evident timing issue that is of concern to many.

So anyone who tries to question me would be SORELY mistaken. But anyway it is boiling down to people MISINTERPRETING or MISTAKING one thing for another. It is not about the realistic controls, it is about when you press R1 to fire it takes X time to do so. If I press the trigger on my Glock if fires INSTANTLY not at nearly 1/4 of a second later! Or how when you move the Right stick it takes a certain time for that action to move on screen and THEN when you let go it takes that same amount of time to stop on screen (start X later -> end X later) THUS you end up inputting needless adjustments because of the timing issue. NOT THE WEIGHT!

Lastly I have one SEPARATE question to ask those that may ponder it...Why does the Handgun or Knife act in the same speed, form or weight as the Rocket Launcher or the Fully Loaded Rifle? Weird huh?

Edit @ below: I understand but I feel I have to, since I have been getting no end of crap about this for the last few days and I want to explain/prove to people that this has nothing to do with downing GG or KZ2.

Edit #2 @ Lich120: Your description is even better than my whole long winded one! Bubbles to you and cmrbe.

you don't have to justify anything to anyone.

It's funny seeing people call you out as an xbot when those of us that are on this site for quite a long time knows that you are not. In either case you have a valid and important issue that needs to be discussed.

I however haven't expereince anything that you experience but i believe you.

It's funny. Calling you an x360 troll is like calling Maddens an xbot lmao!.

Im with you oner. Not because I experienced delay but because it is an issue. Its not something that would stop me buying the game in the slightest, but certainly something that could make the online portion much less enjoyable. The fact is, flicking the control slick for fine tuning is very important in competitive online play. 167ms is actually a long delay for a game that is updating (assuming constant 30fps) every 33ms visually. Normally the graphics lag behind the input. For the game cycle to neglect certain inputs is a relatively big deal. This isn't a bash, it doesn't break the game, its just something that Im glad people are addressing, specifically Guerrila.

You diehards need to get a grip, you're acting like someone is insulting your mother for Christs sake.

Well, mine does this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

(no its not my video).

Its weird none the less. I just don't experience the problem.

I miss good ol' times where gamers were gamers not bunch of whimps complaining on barely existing controls lag.
Maybe pushing the trigger by character is taken into consideration, muscle flexing and/or other factors. You can't shoot from a hip here, there's animation delay after jump/sprint/reload.
Have you ever shoot with a real gun? There's no 1ms response time, and that's why I love Killzone 2, it tries to add a bit more realism than other games.

I guess Killzone 2 is that good people really trying to take it apart

why the disagrees?

Oner,

You pathetic loser. Don't EVER post in a Killzone thread again.

Got that you miserable little troll?

Ju,

Then sell your goddamn PS3. This garbage ENDS NOW. We've had it with loser trolls like Oner and Fishy Fingers.

Sometimes I understand Sessler. Why are you guys attacking oner ? Some people obviously have a problem with lag. I am not one of them, he seams to have the problem. Reading some of those comments I am a bit ashamed being a PS3 fan. We all know that game is great. But everybody should be able to enjoy this, I am sure GG puts everything into their game to make this possible.

I don't know why people keep bashing people that have this problem. I notice this as well and I actually didn't like the controls myself but I didn't bother commenting on that because everyone here thinks if you talk one little bad thing about killzone 2 you are a fanboy. That doesn't mean you are a troll. It's a known issue, stop trying to conceal it because then it will never get fixed.

Check his comments boys he has done nothing but talk crap about his issues since the demo came out. He seem to be able to play the demo through my eyes and hands as he is trying to tell me I expeirenced lag when I did not. You are a broken record and I am going to start reporting your crap as spam. How many times you going to post those vids from youtube?

He wants to make this an issue as if anyone reviewing this game even mentioned controler lag. Why don't you just pass on the game because at this point you are only bringing negative attention to this game.

Quit crying or at least go in a corner somewhere else and whine.

EDIT: If this is something we should be worried about for the final release why haven't we heard anything about it in a review. For the record Oner has expressed his opinion on this matter everytime an article comes out he writes a short story in the comments section. Now he posts the official thread. What do you wanrt a patch for the demo?

Whats this "We've" sh*t? Don't sit there and act like you represent the N4G community.

If this is a real issue for people, then it needs to be brought up. I haven't played the demo so I don't know, but some of it does seem like BS.

That said, don't jump on people who say they have an issue. Not everyone is a Sony fanboy, get over it.

And don't call out Fishy saying he's a troll. He's one of the most unbiased commenter on this site unlike your self.

So cut out those "We've" statements. The only person I'm fed up with is Why dis.

I dont care what you say I have no input lag, ive done similar tests to those in the videos.

Maybe this is a TV calibration issue, as I remember when playing Guitar hero 3 on PS3 there was lag when I hit the note and when it registered/appeared on the screen. Basically the same thing as this killzone issue. I had to use the calibrate options. Maybe something to think about ???

I agree. Thousands of people played the beta, so why was this never mentioned before? Why was it not a problem for all of those beta players, nor for all the reviewers who have played through the full campaign?

I can understand if you are ultra-sensitive to small delays, but to constantly pound away on the issue as if it is a major issue breeds nothing but negativity for the game. God knows that there are millions of fanboys of the other consoles that love to jump on the smallest things in order to try to tear this game down. Saying you are going to avoid the game because of the controls makes even less sense to me.

It seems the vast majority of us either don't experience the problem or simply don't notice it. If there is a problem and Guerrilla can fix it for those of you that notice it, great. But if it doesn't exist in the final game or if it does exist but can't be fixed, all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire for those that want to see this game go down in flames.

he is neither, and he is legitimately having problems with the controls in Killzone 2.

he's one of the biggest PS3 supporters on this site, and we have talked at length about our anticipation for Killzone 2, but the fact of the matter is that he, and some other gamers are having problems with the demo. key word here D.E.M.O.

GG has said they are looking into it, and haven't noticed it in the final build.

personally, i haven't experienced this issue while playing the demo. maybe it's because my time with the beta last year helped me acclimate to the controls.

i've played every big FPS of this generation so far, from Resistance, to COD4, to Halo 3, to Resistance 2, and the crappy ones like Fronltlines, Turok, Blacksite, and Legendary.

Killzone 2 is designed the way it is. end of story. if people can't adjust, they can't adjust.

i've watched the videos that Oner posted, and they DO, CLEARLY show a delay. HOWEVER, i did that same test on the demo on my own setup, and i didn't get such a severe discrepancy. the controls were very responsive, especially when taking into account Killzone 2's deliberate choice of movement speed/reactions.

i think a lot of console gamers are simply too accustomed to the "lets try and make a console FPS as lighting fast as a PC FPS" control setup employed by EVERY SINGLE FPS title on consoles, that Killzone 2's control setup is very foreign to them.

i DO think that Killzone 2's controls are "stiff" and "heavy." the game is designed with that in mind, and it feels more real than ANYTHING i've played in games like COD4, and ESPECIALLY Resistance 2 and Halo 1-3.

it is what it is, and either people will adjust, or they won't play the game. it's as simple as that.

but to call people names just for stating their opinion, and presenting EVIDENCE that SUPPORTS that opinion, is simply childish and immature.

i LOVE the way Killzone 2 feels. but that's MY opinion. people like Oner are having trouble with the way Killzone 2 feels, and that's fine also, and they shouldn't be sh*t on by the masses for it.

it's not like he's a raging fanboy like PoG, The Mart, Why Dis, and their numerous multiple account alter-egos, who just flat outright say, "Killzone 2/PS3, whatever, SUCKS ASS," without having touched a PS3 controller in their lives.

Oner is anticipating Killzone 2 as much as everyone else, he just has a legitimate complaint about the controls, and should be respected for it, even if you (or i), don't have that issue or agree. end of story.

stop being overly-sensitive asshats. seriously.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Oner an "idiot" or a "troll", because I know he isn't.

All I'm saying is that I think he might be pushing the issue just a little too much, given the fact that he surely can see that most of us are not having a problem with it.

It seems to me that Oner just happens to be an individual that is extremely sensitive to such things and that truly is unfortunate.

However, no matter what the case may be I have to admit that it seems a little hard to believe that the controls could pose so much of a problem to ANYONE that it would make them decide not to buy the game. That's difficult for me to understand, I'm sorry.

Even if you notice it and it isn't ideal for you, surely you can adapt and enjoy what is universally being described as a great game.

Okay, you know what?

I'm gonna say it right now.

Some of the PS3 fans need to grow up. Seriously grow the hell up. Most of you guys are okay, and I support Sony/PS3 but there was no reason why anyone should have ganged up on Oner. I've seen his comments, and he supports the PS3.

If there is an issue with some of the people playing the demo, then it needs to be addressed. I personally didn't have any issues but if there are issues, I hope GG fixes them.

And Hannah, who the hell are you to be telling someone to go sell their console? Seriously, what you said towards Oner was uncalled for.

my support and dedication to Sony

lol. you loser

Aww don't be mad because I can afford and have better things then you...I just have a higher standard of quality than you.

@below ~ you are the one calling people pathetic in a baseless assumption here so need I go on? As for your stupid "where my stuff is going if I die next week" question....I don't know? They'll probably be in the same situation as your electronics if it happened to you as well.

yeah since you know what I own... right.

droid, where is your Sony products going if you was going to die next week?

and I own Samsung only Sony sucks.

"droid, where is your Sony products going if you was going to die next week?"

What are you trying to say exactly? But all I know is that your 360 has a higher chance of dying next week.

"That's quite alarming"

LOL! Look at the pathetic little troll!

Don't you EVER post in a Killzone thread again you piece of garbage.

LOL

:s

Oner, I don't understand. What does the retail video proof ? That the bullet leaves the gun 4 frames after you pull the trigger ? Seems about right to me, 5 frames until your see smoke from the barrel, bullet is out a frame earlier (well, just guessing). There is a delay, we all know that. But this is not the lag the other videos show. I can imagine, the deferred renderer introduces this (it renders in 4-6 passes anyway), so you get your couple of frames delay. But force feedback in my case is immediate, and recoil is later, and has nothing to do when you pull the trigger (but would happen, again, when the bullet leaves the muzzle).

Mate, before you start seriously accusing Fishy Fingers of being a 'troll', perhaps you might actually want to look at his post history first. Being a internet tough guy isn't going to win you any credibility, especially when you attempt to give orders to a fellow PS3 supporter...

On-topic: Its good to see that GG are listening to their fan base. Always a indication of a good developer.