"What do these games do that no others before it have? What do they deliver to gamers that is unique to the genre? On their surface, nothing. Killzone 2 also brings nothing new to first-person shooters" You're not serious? right?

I mean, the game is not perfect, but i think that it does bring some to the table. People are being so hard on SONY these days, are'nt they?

They have to reserve and wait like everyone else. I think this pretty much says what credibility that Kotaku has. Let's see who follow this trend.

For I have just given Kotaku a VERY RARE hit, only to find a comment from someone FAAAAAAAAR from a Wiseman and it read; "graphics are a bit to clean for my liking"

Lord, why must these idiots exist? I know I shouldnt question your will, as it WILL be done. But why Lord??? WHHHYYYYYYYYYY????

Kotaku lol, I think Kotaku and Edge need to join forces, they would make a great couple.. Come on guys, atleast be greatful that Kotaku doesnt use numercial scores when rating games, it would just be another fanboy site giving Killzone 2 a 7 or 8 for hits and to bring down the metacritic score..

I dont care what kotaku says, aslong as they dont give out a score to bring down the metascore im fine.. Besides, all the big guys have already reviewed the game and gave it praise like Gamepro, IGN, Gamedaily,Gamesradar etc im just waiting on Game Informer, Game trailers and Gamespot and ill be good

I agree with the line:
"It's easy when playing a game in an over-saturated genre, like first-person shooters, to judge the title not by what it is, but by what it isn't. Games like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 both suffer from that same problem."

People should seriously start reviewing the game itself, not what it hasn't got or whatever.

kotaku is a real joke, guys.. dont even give them hits by clicking on the link.

"Or one of your rockets glance off a railing and instead of exploding, spiral out of control and off into the sky."

Sounds amazing! I know everyones concentrating on the one "negative" comment but over all he seemed really happy with it.

I lost interest after reading that bit!!! ;-D

KillZone 2 is a 10/10;)

It sucks because I love Kotaku's review system, how it's done, but I can't help but feel their opinions are just as biased, hypocritical, and double standard based as any other sites.

"Or one of your rockets glance off a railing and instead of exploding, spiral out of control and off into the sky."

This will be the cause of many interesting videos to come.

Imagine some dude shoots a rocket, it bounces off a railing, and destroys another guy simply walking down the road :P

typical kotaku, i can't wait to see their review.

One of the comments sums up what I thought when Brain said "too clean".

"For me (and other people I've spoken with), the Star Wars prequels were "too clean". In the original trilogy, when most of the sets were actually constructed and built, the vehicles and buildings looked used -- a little grungy, dirty, dusty, etc. The three prequels, on the other hand, with their elaborately blue-screened backgrounds and settings looked "too clean" to be real. In one sense, they looked much better (greater sense of scale, more interesting architecture, etc.), but, on the other hand, they didn't exactly look real -- one of the many things that gave the OT a certain charm that the prequels didn't achieve."

Of course if you are too young to have watched the Star Wars movies before the prequels then this will probably go over your head.

I know many want to condemn Kotaku but it sounded like a well rounded impression and the most important part was he was very impressed.

It's funny how the reviews with the back-handed comments clock the game below 8 hours, while IGN and Gamepro says atleast 8 hours.

Even when Kotaku give their 'impressions', they still manage to be completely assinine. If you haven't already, DO NOT hit their site and waste your time reading this mess.

Kotaku's 'impression' is nothing more then a impotent attempt at insulting the game and sweeping those lies under the truth.

Here's the whole "preview" so you don't have to visit the site.

"Yes, impressions. Not the review.

We decided to hold off on our formal review until we can play the Playstation 3 game online under more typical conditions. Instead I've written up some of my initial thoughts from playing through the entire single-player campaign on the average difficulty setting.

It's easy when playing a game in an over-saturated genre, like first-person shooters, to judge the title not by what it is, but by what it isn't. Games like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 both suffer from that same problem.

What do these games do that no others before it have? What do they deliver to gamers that is unique to the genre? On their surface, nothing.

Killzone 2 also brings nothing new to first-person shooters. Instead of providing gimmicks to try and separate itself from the pack, the game wades into the thick of things and proves that you don't have to be unique to deliver an engaging experience.

There are certainly differences in Killzone 2.

The graphics, while a bit too clean for my liking, still capture the pivotal moments of the game with an almost cinematic flare. Details make the game pop. Like when you're ducked behind a concrete barrier and a chunk of cement blows off next to your head from a near-miss round. Or one of your rockets glance off a railing and instead of exploding, spiral out of control and off into the sky.

I'm still debating whether the artificial intelligence that controls your squad mates, and the Helghast you take on, is very good or sketchy.

Typically, I found the Helghast surprisingly realistic. They try to out maneuver you, even calling out to one another in battle. Enemies scramble away from you when you pop around the corner, or quickly try to slice you with a knife. When a grenade hits nearby, they fall to the ground temporarily stunned, but then slowly climb to their feet to take you on again.

But at other times I found enemies standing nearby seemingly oblivious to my proximity. Maybe I'm over thinking it, making excuses for bad AI, but it was almost as if that in the heat of battle this one didn't see me run behind him or that one didn't notice me round a corner. The thing is, the graphics, the responsiveness, the seeming humanity of these digital automatons make it easier for you to forgive the occasional tactical stupidity.

The story? The story is light, but not so light as to be distracting. There are no love interests. No hidden sub-plot. But in real war there rarely is. So I can overlook that. And what the game seems to be saying about modern warfare, about the complexity of morality in a fight, is grist for thought. I'd even argue that Killzone 2 drew some of its deeper, more subtle meaning from what's currently going on in our world.

The experience of playing Killzone 2 ping-pongs between the ordinary and the sublime. There were moments when I paused in mid-play to take in what was happening around me. I wasn't just playing out a pre-determined role, triggering events by pushing forward, I was engrossed in a battle. Bullets zipping by. Friends and foe falling on either side. The intensity, the mayhem of war, perfectly captured.

It is at those moments that Killzone 2 is fully realized, when it delivers not a single-player experience, but an experience that despite it's solitary nature, makes you are part of something larger. You aren't the hero in this game, you're one of the grunts and it's just as likely that any one of you will die.

Killzone 2 is a tightly-paced shooter that walks gamers through an eclectic mix of levels in an experience that comes in at just under 8 hours. But it's also another one of those games that, because of its relatively short length and its perfect pacing, can feel more like a movie or a book than a game.

That's one of the funny things about video games. Despite their increased level of interactivity, many of them fail to be as immersive as a good read or a fun movie. But Killzone 2 dances on that line between disposable entertainment and time well spent.

Look for our full review later this month."

"Killzone 2 also brings nothing new to first-person shooters."

Killzone 2 does bring something new to FPS games and it's the cover system. I seriously can't stand it when people continue to say that KZ2 doesn't do anything different or new because it does.

The Lean-and-Peak mechanic and the Cover System that lets you pop in and out of cover just like Gears of War or Uncharted was Guerrilla's own creation and their own idea. What other FPS game has a Cover System like Killzone 2's?..... NONE of them. I rest my case.

people need stop flocking to sites that deliberatly give ps3 exclusives bad reviews cos it gives their websites page hits which determines adverrtising revenue

and the cons are easy to just ignore not serious at all

Reviewers need to stop comparing games to other games and actually REVIEW THE GAME.
And by review the game I mean give your impressions on how fun it was to play...not on how it compares to another game...that's not review that's comparison.

Brian C actually liked the game. He's just nit picking the game because Kotaku's been favorable to xbox 360 games though.

Why did I read that?

My eyes feel dirty, (unlike the CLEAN graphics), I guess it just doesn't have the grit and realism of some graphically superior titles like say, Halo.

Yes of course I'm being FKN sarcastic.

WTF? o.0

Lets try this out, just to maybe figure out what they're saying.

The Corvett, while a bit too clean for my liking...

The Picture, while a bit too clean for my liking...

The Album, while a bit too clean for my liking...

The Kitchen, while a bit too clean for my liking...

The Case of Beer, while a bit too clean for my liking...

Nope, still dont get it.

some guy said this.
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"Or one of your rockets glance off a railing and instead of exploding, spiral out of control and off into the sky."

This will be the cause of many interesting videos to come.

Imagine some dude shoots a rocket, it bounces off a railing, and destroys another guy simply walking down the road :P

imagine if it bounced off a railing went through the random guy walking down the road flew up to visari in his hiedout went through him, so far 2 people stuck on the rocket.. went through osama binladen and then.. yeah u get my point ;)

mentioned 2 xbox games before I was able to even click the link.

uhhhh no thanks then...I'll pass on these "impressions"

Graphics are "too clean"...

QUOTE OF THE CENTURY!!!

Just under 8 hours...

When did that become short?

Call of Duty 4 was 5 to 6 hours. What is this guy's problem?
I beat Crysis in just 6 hours.
I also beat Gears of War 2 in 6 1/2 hours. I didn't see any complaints there...even WITH the terrible multi-player.

This is just not freakin' fair.

wow talk about nitpicking , most of u r nitpicking his words even though he gave a very positive review , u guys need to read all of it instead of judging a few parts of what he said. but but kotaku blah blah blah oh grow up ppl

... he's not writing about your mothers. It's a video game. It's going to have flaws or elements some people enjoy more than others. Overall I felt it was very positive regardless.

Good on Kotaku for holding back a bit on the review until they have had time to play multiplayer online outside of the beta.

"It's easy when playing a game in an over-saturated genre, like first-person shooters, to judge the title not by what it is, but by what it isn't. Games like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 both suffer from that same problem."

Yeah but it didn't stop them from getting a plethora of undeserved 10's huh? Get f#cked you stupid biased f@gs. Killzone2 kills both those games and is in a league of it's own.

"The story? The story is light, but not so light as to be distracting. There are no love interests. No hidden sub-plot. But in real war there rarely is. So I can overlook that. And what the game seems to be saying about modern warfare, about the complexity of morality in a fight, is grist for thought. I'd even argue that Killzone 2 drew some of its deeper, more subtle meaning from what's currently going on in our world."

Granted, I'm not a big fan of the Kotaku and I somewhat loathe them, BUT of all the reviews and articles about KZ2, Kotaku got at least the story part right. Killzone 2 talks about what war really is in it's vaguenesss of "who's really right or wrong in a conflict" instead of being "another epic fight with a super-human and an advanced alien species" story.

otherwise, you get the sh!t and they get the dough

Yet Rez evil 5, will get 10/10's for nothing new, just polish.

I actually enjoyed the demo, but the control scheme, while still more or less how it always was, does nothing new.

It feels to stiff.

This is the perfect game that needs a cover system.

Uhm... I have never seen a cover system like this in a FPS.

Other FPSs may have a cover system but they pull you out to 3rd person view while in cover, therefore its not 1st person. KZ2 is the only FPS with a truly FPS cover system.

So? New? Yes?

Sony really does need another mainline shooter franchise. They pretty much gave up after the PS3 generation, and I'm really surprised they haven't tried at another high-profile, singleplayer-centric shooter; even if it weren't Killzone or Resistance.

I miss Killzone while I can see why they still do Horizon has some really good things but I do think that Horizon is overrated imo.

Or how about studios focus on projects that they feel passionate about, and not be forced to make something they have little interest in. It shows in the final product.

It’s still got potential for the modern era. The DNA is all there. The install base is there. The interest is there. The time is now.

Killzone 2 and 3 were farkin brilliant and way better than halo

Too bad they've abandoned em smh, then theres sony barely even acknowledging what us fans want. Every time they sale a certain high amount it get like that with them smh

Because Killzone games are awesome, that's the reason.

New ip after 3'rd horizon please 🙏

Give it to Bungie. The Helghast are awesome enemies and Bungie could make something really cool

not enough interest to keep it alive

I’m beating a dead horse here… but Resisitance FOM gun lay out was so fun, multiplayer was one of my top favorite experiences. Insomniac nailed it and I would love a remaster and maybe a redo with Reisistance 2. They listens to players who were wanting a Halo killer and it kind of lost its character from the first.

Warhawk, if they had just remade the first one not Starhawk which offered nice things like the build and battle.. but Warhawk was the best arcade shooter I ever played. Back when you didn’t have battle passes and you actually had to get certain amount of kills or ribbons to unlock different paint skins on the Warhawks and armor for your player.. Look at the success of Helldivers 2, it’s a fun game and it reminds me of Warhawk in a way. I’ve been wanting a remake or sequel since the beginning of the ps4 gen.. it’s hurts to have hope nowadays. Even with the demise of the studios Sony has a steady fan base.

Killzone game after Killzone 2 play style would be nice

Motorstorm would be epic with the visual upgrade, maybe this game would be a harder sell with the genre being not as popular nowadays..

Resistance franchise, Motorstorm and Dirt 2 which was fun as heck. Add Dead Space 2 as well.

I quickly looked and only saw the words PS5 Remaster and a picture of Fall of Mans logo

Ahhhh shit, well maybe one day

Resistance 1-3 remastered with online

Kill zone 1-3 remastered with online

God of war PS3 games and PSP games collection

Infamous 1-2 with all dlc please we need this. It’s such an underrated franchise and so much potential. In this age of super hero media craze Sony should utilize infamous

White knight chronicles 1-2

Warhawk and starhawk

Motorstorm series

MGS4

Easy money would be to remake Resistance and Killzone series, rather than just a remaster. And PS5 desperately needs some couch co-op shooters so this would scratch that itch.

Infamous 1+2 and KZ 2+3

Deus Ex Human Revolution

GTA IV needs one.
Still stuck on PS3 and 360.

PS3 ended up been a beast of a console, slow out of the gate, picked up steam, smashed through the finish line. The 1st PS3 slim is still one of my favourite consoles. So solid, great games, by the time GTA5 and the last of us had come out it was a clear winner for me

Nice to see that they included Pupetteer in this list.

"PS3 may not have been the strongest generation"

Meanwhile...just looking at exclusives alone and not even third party titles

Uncharted was born
Demon's Souls was born
Metal Gear Solid 4
God of War 3
The Last of Us was born
Little Big Planet was born
Warhawk
Killzone 2 and 3
Infamous was born
Resistance was born
Motorstorm was born
Gran Turismo
Heavy Rain
Journey
Shadow of the Colossus returned paving the way for the remake in the PS4 generation
PS Plus was born

Sorry bud, but the PS3 generation was amazing and featured the greatest console comeback in history.

That said, I'd love it if Warhawk returned or Metal Gear Solid 4. It needs to not be shackled to the PS3 generation anymore. A Killzone 2 remake would be insane with modern graphics and that art direction.

I really miss this gen of gaming. It felt like the last truly "great" era for videogames before the modern approach really took hold.

The PS3 was such a glorious console. The UI, the games, the free online...just incredible.

Add Mag to that list.

I would pay good money for a Warhawk remake. Socom too. The last Socom game just didn’t do it justice. Folklore could use a remaster or remake as well.
Several other titles I would like to remade with the amount of visual fidelity the current gen has over the past consoles it could help articulate the games that we’ve loved growing up. I would love even some ps2 titles to remade.. Dark Cloud from ps2, Legacy of Kain series but don’t know what will come of it sense it was bought by Embracer group and all there layoffs.

This strategy is exactly what helped ruin Xbox. Sony more than Microsoft know when to let a franchise go and that is important to keep things fresh. The old games are there if you want to play them.

Resistance series and Killzone 2 & 3 remasters/remakes. Make it happen. They will print money.

FF13 is top of this list for me. No matter your opinion on it, it being the only numbered offline FF out of all 16 not to be on new consoles is odd. GTA IV would be great too

The only reason my PS3 is still connected is because of the Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm games that I still love to play. I am for remaking or remastering them.

Would absolutely love a remastered collection of the resistance games

Resistance 1-3 and Killzone 1-3 too. Folklore and 3 Dot Heroes are underrated gems.

Why remaster games that ps5 players can't access when you can remaster a 4 year old game like tlou2 that was already patched with ps5 improvements

Would love a remake of the first Resistance game and also Tools of Destruction.

A gem of a gen, imo! So much IP to pluck.

Infamous 1&2 will sadly always be ignored by Sony, not even a ps4 remaster the whole gen, smh but uncharted, horizon, even days gone had next gen upgrades sheesh 🤦🏽 mane even tho Sony is still doing pretty good in the console business they are a lil big headed lol, I never played the resistance series but it would of been dope to see those games updated as well, we fans get lil surprises here n there but things we really are into having and being vocal about gets passed over like a mf 🤣😩

Remasters are a waste of time and developer resources. Real Devs make new games.

God I would live a Killzone or Resistance collection. Really hoping for a new one in either franchise down the line, loved both series.

I’d say new sequels instead.

Got be resistance /prototype as well

How much prefer the killzone universe to that of Horizon's.

Killzone again pls 🥺

Gratz Guerilla, amazing Studio and engine, love Decima!

I was never a huge fan of Killzone, but thoroughly enjoy Horizon. Guerrilla are superb developer and easily up there with the best of the best.

Need a killzone 2 remake from the ground up.

One of the most creative studios out. I hope they keep it up.

Great studio, loved the Killzone series, I wish they would do a remake of the first three games. Horizon is a real step up and truly put Guerrilla Games on the map.

Too bad I never got a chance to play Shellshock: Nam’67 would have loved to try that game out back in the days to see what were their beginnings.

Bring back killzone (maybe in 3rd person perspective)

It would fantastic to see what they could do in Killzone after the lessons learned through Horizon.

Or heck, give us even a short linear FPS from the people who designed Cauldron THETA in the Burning Shores expansion. Even just flying into it (after gliding around and finding its opening amongst the lava and Sunwings perched around it, with other bigger machines just along the path toward it) was an incredible experience.

Great work until now. Keep on this path

Hope they get the opportunity to create a new IP this gen as well.

Forbidden West is awesome, It’s pretty damn big compared to Zero Dawn and it takes a little while to get your skills up and get the equipment you need to fully explore the game (not going to spoil it) but once you do those things and start fighting the big ass machines it really is amazing. Some cool side quests to where you hold the fate of peoples lives by your choice and the cauldrons look amazing. Lots of skills , combos, special moves and add ons for your weapons so you can approach fights many ways. Looking forward to the name game but I wonder how/if Silas will be a part of it or not ? Sad he’s gone.

Killzone games weren’t the best shooters but damn did they look purty!!!!

Killzone 2 remade with the multiplayer

20 years of mid-tier games and they are trending down.

I'm hyped for whenever Horizon 3 releases but Killzone 1 needs a remake BAD and 2 & 3 need remasters. Criminal those games are stuck on PS3.

Hold up

Horizon: Zero Dawn sold 24.3 million
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sold 29.81 million

With the way journalists have been consistently saying BotW overshadowed Horizon you’d think the gap between an entry in a new IP and a longrunning one would be bigger Even if you want to include however much the Wii U version of BotW did, both series still did impressive numbers

I never want to hear that Horizon is an overlooked franchise ever again

i really loved the atmosphere and idea of killzone. i hope they revisit it at some point because it always had so much potential.

Bring Back Killzone please or at least a KZ2 remake with MP.