Leakers Are Ruining Game Reveals

The_Blue269d ago

Gasp
The media would never..

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Eonjay269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

But... for Oblivion... It was my understanding that the leag was completely orchestrated by Microsoft to build hype for what would be a shadow drop. Things aren't what they seem. Sites love the attention too as it pumps ad rev into them. In fact, the vast majority of leaks are controlled internal leaks. The media attention they get is acutally a legit advertising tool.

Armaggedon269d ago

Yeah, this whole leaking thing oozes orchestrated. Especially by how quiet they have been.

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RaidenBlack269d ago

MS did shadow drop Ninja Gaiden II Remake via their showcase this year as well. But that was not leaked ... atleast not this early.

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RaidenBlack269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

Biggest news site, IGN, has also started to publish articles based on leaks.
Previously they used to wait for more confirmations.

Christopher269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

Some people want them, some people don't. We (N4G), for example, get criticized for our policies on rumors as it is, as many think we should include rumors from a lot of less vetted and reliable sources.

How can you make anyone happy when everyone wants something different?

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jambola269d ago

options
let us catergorise a list of what we want / don't want
ao3 does that, is there any reason n4g can't?
is there any reason there can't be a checklist of "do not include" were we can toggle rumors and leaks?

Christopher269d ago

@jambola: How would that stop leaks from happening, which is the topic at hand? And as to why not more options to filter news on N4G? You'd have to ask that of the owners. But, that likely wouldn't stop you from seeing leaks since they come in many forms than just rumors and people discuss things in comments regularly.

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Profchaos269d ago

Put it to a poll I guessed I'm pro leaks they are going to appear elsewhere anyway if ign and other more mainstream sites are reporting on them

Not allowing them here is simply just making users go elsewhere to get ahead of what's coming

Christopher269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

@Profchaos: We already did that and it's why we have the policies we have on rumors. I'm merely talking on this about the entire community/gaming news industry as a whole. This wasn't about N4G, it was about what people want and don't want being so different that doing it one way or the other isn't ever going to make everyone happy.

Just to note, people: I can comment on gaming news without it being about N4G.

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jambola268d ago

your comment is that some people want them and some don't and asked how to make everyone happy
my answer is to let them choose what news to see on the sites they visit
force leaks to be marked, and let us filter them out

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lukasmain269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

They don't do it to help people or create excitement or hwatever. They leak it for their own ego and cred. They do it for purely selfish reasons. The only way they would hold back, is to protect their source, not because they don't want to ruin it for fans. These "leakers" would leak a game 1 hour before it's reveal just so they can say they were correct. I understand their motives just fine, but what I find hard to understand, is why oh why do the workers giving them this info leak it in the first place? Why the devs or PR department or wherever these people work leak it to these "insiders"? If I worked anywhere close to a game I would never leak it. I want the fans to have joy when seeing for the first time. The source of the leaks are all scumbags in my opinion. Just scum. I'm not talking about pre-planned pretned leaks. I'm talking about real leaks that happen too much for Microsoft and other developers. They ruin true excitement for fans. I hate it all. Wish there were no leaks.

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senorfartcushion269d ago

Haha "scum?"

Get a girlfriend, mate.

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lukasmain269d ago

Wow, usually when people say "get a girlfriend" it really means they themselves are lonely and sad. You're probably some decrepit jaded old sack of bones mate. I say "scum" because leakers are a stain on the industry and only do it to serve themselves.

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Armaggedon269d ago

@senorfartcushion

There is more to existence than being shackled to ones loins

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Profchaos269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

Leakers never leak a game 1 hour before reveal and most back off and just say something like temper expectations or it'll be an exciting show because they explicitly don't want to ruin the surprise.

Thing is also if you ever read a gaming magazine in the late 80s early 90s through to the 2000s you were reading more often that not leaks and insider information

But also scum would be guys that beat their wives, children or maybe their dog it's a lying politician it's a corrupt person in power it's really not a leaker that's just a whatever thing

AdventurerDonLocke268d ago

Yeah most "leaks" are intentional leaks by the companies themselves.

senorfartcushion269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

Game reveals are some kind of treat for regular people. They're advertising work projects that yhe marketing team makes to SELL the product.

People are brainwashed.

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anast269d ago

I agree.

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pwnmaster3000269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

People are brain wash because they want to be surprised for a hobby they love?

You’re gonna buy the game right?
I rather be surprised and hyped up for a game I like than hear it from a shitty leak.

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senorfartcushion269d ago

If you're into the hobby as much as most people are on this site (me included) not much will get by you. Oblivion, for example, has been telegraphed for months, if not years. And today, studios are so greedy thay expect anything to have remake potential. Ubisoft even rebought the Scott Pilgrim rights to rerelease an old Xbox Arcade game to very little fanfair.

Bethesda could have ridden the Skyrim release train, keeoing Elder Scrolls 6 back until revealing a bright, new, shiny Elder Scrolls game using the Starfield engine. That's not greedy enough, though, is it - so they will release a remake of an older game in that engine, spoiling the series' glow-up.

Arguably the reason why Skyrim sold so well was party because of the graphical leap between Oblivion and Skyrim.

Just greed, man.

So when people "value" release reveals, it just confuses me. The game industry has maybe 9/10 new reveals per day now.

It's reveal reveal reveal.

People need to do something useful with their lives.

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PixelOmen269d ago

Of course they are products that are being marketed, but that doesn't change the fact that they are also works of art and entertainment that people resonate with and are excited for. They are not mutually exclusive.

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senorfartcushion268d ago

And those two things have nothing to do with the way we experience a game's marketing.

Games as experiences are there to be PLAYED and the marketing is there to tell people to buy things.

A question I ask: since when were we talking about the games or advertising for those games? The journalist wrote about a remake for a game being possible. No trailers, no gameplay. Nothing to actually "enjoy."

And no one is saying that you can't enjoy the marketing for the art it is. A cool trailer is its own thing. But it's equal parts desperate and weird to call people "scum" for writing about the IDEA of a POTENTIAL release.

This is what we are talking about here.

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senorfartcushion268d ago

What has this got to do with games and their advertising?

People are angry at a journalist for confirming that a game EXISTS. This isn't anything to do with something from the product or the marketing that a person can EXPERIENCE.

Profchaos269d ago

100% and they often don't give all the same info as leaks they purposely leave things out that leaks cover that might show up later in a negative light

DodoDojo268d ago

Alright which company are you leaking information from?

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thecodingart269d ago

Do they? Because probably not

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MetroidFREAK21269d ago

They are and have been for years. Unfortunately it seems like they will stick around

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anast269d ago

The writer is towing the company line. People have a choice to look or not to look.

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pwnmaster3000269d ago

Eh not really. Especially when the head line is, “Oblivion remake leaked”.
No one reads that and be like “ I wonder what that means” lol

You guys are so anti company it’s weird.
I get it don’t shill over a company (which I would never do) but bruh there are times where I think they are right and this is one of it.

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JEECE269d ago

I think what he means is that all of us on here choose to be on gaming news sites that frequently feature leaks. It would be pretty easy to avoid if you wanted. I have friends who own a PS5/Series X and are still frequently unaware of all but the biggest gaming news.

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Profchaos269d ago

Also you have to consider what magazines we're doing years ago leaking games from overseas before companies could officially reveal them

Charal269d ago

Not really, except if you disconnect 100% from the internet.
It is almost impossible today to avoid a very explicit news/tweet/short title giving already 90% of the leaked info.
30 years ago (yes I am old) before internet it was current the see a new game was out by seeing it in the shelves. Now it is the complete opposite, we are exposed into very early stages for sake a creating news/buzz content, and even complain like hell when a game miss a release date published by a marketing guys at times the dev team was not even working on it.

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JEECE269d ago

You can pretty easily tailor your internet experience to see what you want to see (and in many cases, this will happen for you based on algorithms). If you seek out gaming news constantly, you are going to see gaming news, including leaks. But at the same time you are probably missing "huge" news stories about F1 Racing, Scottish politics, and electronic music, because you don't pay attention to those things or seek them out (maybe you do pay attention to one of those things, but hopefully you understand the point).

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Profchaos269d ago

Bingo subscribe to publisher mailing lists and don't visit any gaming media disconnect entirely from social media and you might stand a chance of not having a suprise ruined.

Also remember those days 30 plus years ago when you'd go to a video rental store on the weekend and be surprised by what was new that week like hey what's goldeneye or oh Castlevania 3 is out wow.

But even back then you'd see the same leaks occuring in print form it was always whispers about what was coming from Japan mainly because of the way the industry worked everything would hit there and take a year or more to be localised I don't think young kids could survive with that style of development these days

Profchaos269d ago

It's just a different day and age a leak is basically an announcement.

40 years ago it leaks were a thing magazines would had Japanese correspondents and import systems and games years before they were official in the west. Eg Nintendo didn't announce super Mario Bros 3. It was announced to the west by electronic gaming monthly same as the SNES console Nintendo of America was saying 8 bits was enough while the SNES was being pushed in Japan.

Gaming mags eventually gave way to the internet and prop would post on message boards then eventually social media that we have today.

Point is as long as there had been hardcore fans there have been leaks.

Not all leaks are real just like 40 years ago not everything that egm or gaming mags promoted ever came out in the west3or got cancelled it's akin to a leak not panning out it's not always wrong

Clippy269d ago

Person discovers how insiders work---more at 11

SimpleSlave269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

No they aren't, they haven't and they never will. Leakers have been at it for decades, and we're still here, excited for the next game to drop in order to hear nazi scum, bitch and moan about black people. Oh, wait... Wait, this the wrong article. Never mind, carry on.

Oh, and "FUCK LEAKERS!!!" Said the chronically online, while regular people don't even know what the fuck an Oblivion is. Except for your friends, of course... 🙄

Then there was that Project Beast (Bloodborne) trailer/images leak that sent the internet into a fever pitch...

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Berenger269d ago

Agreed, man. I miss the days of being genuinely surprised by a reveal. Rumors start years in advance, each event goes by where they tease the reveal here, only to be disappointed if they don't announce it or underwhelmed because you expected it.

shadowhaxor269d ago

Welcome to 10 years ago. Not to be rude, but when it was noticed that you'd get major clout for doing this, it got worse. Sites report on leaks, regardless if they know they shouldn't. Hey, if we don't, we lose traffic. Same for content creators, actually worse.

It's terrible, and these people who leak the stuff need to be made an example of.

Inverno269d ago

Leakers aren't ruining anything, gaming journalists are. These leaks are often discussed in online groups, away from most of the publics eye. Then they're picked up by gaming sites that blasts everyone with info through headlines. Much like how spoilers are also discussed in groups online, then along comes a gaming site with a spoiler as the title of their article. Like how fan projects and ROM hacks mostly go unnoticed til some gaming site starts talking about it then the mod gets DMCA'd.

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Dudeson269d ago

I always take leaked news with a heavy grain of salt. In today's reveal I was still happily surprised with the out now moment.

kpgs269d ago

Leakers and Dataminers are toxic to the gaming industry, and news sites who feed off of them are no better.
The need to always know everything sucks.
Can't even be surprised anymore.

CrimsonWing69269d ago

I like leaks. I get the same excitement I would if it were shown officially. If anything it gets me more hyped to see the reveal. But I’m weird like that so, pay me no mind.

gold_drake269d ago

im more pissed that u cant rly escape it either

LastAvenger269d ago

The bigger problem is lack of security. Lock your doors, lock your files. Lock your lips.

gigoran8269d ago

because this game suddenly dropping without an kind of inclination that it was even being made would have been great for promotion... right?

MrBaskerville269d ago (Edited 269d ago )

Some leaks seem a bit pointless. There's a whole industry around leaking games hours before a presentation, not sure what anyone gains from it. If the game is years away it might be interesting, but if the announcement is days away, why bother?

Some leakers are just people with access to a youtube backend that can see the titles of some trailers or whatever. I don't see how it helps anyone.

burd_persin269d ago

Leaked information has existed since the early days of the internet and will likely continue to exist. The key is to simply ignore it and move on. It's not impossible to avoid.

RaiderNation269d ago

I would say social media addiction is more of the culprit.