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Bethesda Should Abandon Creation Engine For Unreal Engine 5, Says Former Dev

The former Bethesda art lead, Nate Purkeypile, argues that the studio would do better with Unreal Engine 5 despite the many performance concerns.

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-Foxtrot528d ago

I feel like Bethesda are being stubborn simply because they know the Creation Engine and getting something new would mean they'd have to learn all about the ins and outs, experiment, re-learn things, put money into it, cause longer dev times initially as they learn as they go etc.

They've said in the past aswell that the Creation Engine has certain elements and features that helps them pull off things within their open world games, things you might not get to do with other engines but I think if they re-learn a new engine they'd be able to get these things working eventually through trial and error. It's not like the Creation Engine is a beast, look at how long it took to add climbable ladders.

I get them being reluctant, I do, it's hard to let something go and learn new things but the longer they put it off the harder it will be later down the road when it comes to finally biting the bullet. If they haven't done it for ESVI then I think they need to do it for Fallout 5.

neutralgamer1992527d ago

Issue is if Todd doesn't want to switch they can't force him. He could simply leave Bethesda. MS bought the company not his rights. So as much as we want them to upgrade to a newer engine the choice might only be for Todd to make

TheColbertinator528d ago

Unlikely. Bethesda is refusing to budge.

At this point the bugs are features and everybody has accepted brainrot Bugthesda.

Michiel1989526d ago

i don't think it's just being stubborn, there is no way that UE5 will be a good engine for supporting a game where every item you can get is actually a physical object. ES is one of the very few games that does this and I doubt much engines are equipped to handle a game like that.

RaidenBlack528d ago

Starfield's execution was dated ... but seeing how normal less-interactive games perform with UE5, I'd say BGS-esque games with Creation level of object permanence and scripting will run very sluggishly ... maybe they have to forcefully limit the scope/area ... like Obsidian had to do for New Vegas.
Maybe it's a possibility in PS6 gen, a BGS structure replicated in UE5 ... but this gen seems a bit questionable.
One thing they can do is remake any old title using UE ... to test if it works, by collabing with another team/studio like Virtuos, like recently leaked/rumored.
This way, their main team/devs won't have to split work and they can also test the waters how feasible UE is from BGS perspective.
I definitely don't want future BGS game to limit scope & lose their uniqueness just for switching to UE like any other studio. A modern Skyrim with some jank >> another generic UE RPG.
I say a UE BGS game will be very different.
Anyways ... ES6 was already underway long time back was started using a more modified Creation Engine than Starfield. If any engine change do happen, that'd be for Fallout 5 but that's 2030+ launch anyway. Well into PS6 gen.

isarai528d ago (Edited 528d ago )

Abandoned creation engine? sure for unreal engine 5? Hell no!

Unreal is and always has been trash for open world games, especially for RPGs, also a far cry from an optimized game engine, there's far better out there.

Honestly, I don't even think they HAVE to abandon the creation engine, but rather really put the effort into overhauling it like they did when they first created the creation engine modifying it out of the gamebryo engine

Like seriously they have money. They could hire some class A programmers to build them something really special and yet they just refuse to for some reason

RaidenBlack528d ago (Edited 528d ago )

^This
Stop the total conversion of industry to UE
# keep proprietary engines alive

DarXyde527d ago

Don't think anyone is in favour of a mass Exodus to Unreal Engine 5. It has its uses, but it's very pared back on console.

Plenty of great proprietary engines: FOX, Doom, Decima, Naughty Dog's engine, etc.

But the Creation Engine just doesn't seem good for modern games. Characters look weird. FOX could be great if updated to scale the lighting properly with the same attention to detail for things beyond faces. Decima, Doom, and ND Engines are already ahead of their generations, but of course refinements are always welcome.

All of those engine would benefit from updates, but Creation should probably either be scrapped or completely overhauled.

RaidenBlack526d ago

@DarXyde
Konami has abandoned Fox after Kojima left and has moved to UE primarily.
And you forgot to mention Remedy's Northlight, Capcom's RE and Rockstar's RAGE ~ the third party engine trio, showcasing you dont need UE5 for best visuals. Plus there's still CDPR's Red Engine, getting continuous updates still even though studio is moving to UE.
Crytek is also developing the next CryEngine, id is also developing the next idTech engine, Monolith should also be developing the next lithtech, unless they've also migrated to UE like other WB studios, then that'd be sad.
Other misses were, discontinuation of Eidos'/CD's/IOI's dawn/foundation/glacier engines ~ all three studios moved to UE.
But last but not least dont forget Ubisoft. Games maybe crap but their engine department is actually the better one. AnvilNext and Snowdrop is going strong.

DarXyde525d ago

RaidenBlack,

I'm pretty sure I said "etc". The short list I gave was absolutely not intended to be comprehensive.

And yes, I'm aware the FOX Engine was abandoned, but my point was that this is a good engine in that it would be great if adapted for the current generation.

I'm a bit iffy on RE though. I'd say it's great, but it really needs to be kept in context. Great linear game engine, but I question its utility in an open world. Naughty Dog's engine, I suspect, is very similar, where its limitations become clear in an open world setting.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio37d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing37d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9237d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit37d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing37d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9237d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Spiders Studio, Developers of GreedFall: The Dying World, Announce Liquidation of the Company

Spiders: "We're going to cut straight to the chase so you're not left wondering: After a long period without clear answers, we have received confirmation that Spiders is being liquidated.

What does it mean? This means the company as a whole no longer exists. We'll cease our functions immediately. The planned DLC will release via Nacon, and then-- well, that's it.

We're sorry that it's come to this and would like to thank each and every one of you for your support over the years.

If you have any questions or run into issues with your games, please contact Nacon directly as we'll no longer be able to reply."

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Koei Tecmo Announces Record Financial Results After Releasing Many Big Games

Today, Koei Tecmo announced its financial results for the full fiscal year 2025, related to the period between April 2025 and March 2026.

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