GB: "What the hell is going on with PlayStation?"
Story Mode on why live service games can't expect to thrive on just competence, that they need something more. In the case of Marathon, "With Bungie at the helm, the same Bungie that defined not one but two generations of gaming — with Halo in 2001 and Destiny 2 in 2017 — ‘just another extraction shooter’ isn’t going to cut it.
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I think it'll get a month or two before it disappears... We don't need a 3rd Halo esque game. We already got Halo and Destiny
Probably not as fast but it will eventually
It seems it will have its dedicated hardcore fanbase but as soon as the next shiny GaaS game is out they’ll move on or go back to the one they were already playing for months
The hate for this is so forced. Saw some people being triggered the game has a positive rating on steam. Marathon doesn't need very high players to be successful. It needs a consistent player base. For example, look at a game like Warframe. Within the last 3 years, the game normally gets between 50K-70K on steam a day and has only gone above 15OK 3 times in 6 years. I seriously feel like this game doing well long-term might put some very miserable gamers on suicide watch.
It's not hate that's killing these games, it's apathy. Nobody gives a shit or is asking for Concord, Marathon, etc. the crux is no-one cares, so it won't make the money wasted on it and it will fail. I'll admit I quite liked Marathon as an IP but any nostalgia or goodwill towards that was lost the moment I saw the visual diarrhea on display in that first trailer.
Nobody gives a shit, yet a bunch snowflakes do nothing but keep hating, funny how works. They people who supposedly don't care about it, cry about them the most. You never asked for any of the games that exist. They were made. You didn't ask for Destiny, Warframe, Witcher, GOW, TLOU, GTA, Expedition 33, Arc, Zelda or a majority of gamed that exist. Devs make the games they think people might like, most, especially indies fail, but some find a base and become successful, even if for a little bit.
It used to be entertaining watching hiw easily triggered games make some people. Now it's just pathetic. This type of hate I am referring to is not exclusive to live service games. GOY is a single-player game, yet we all saw the hate from a certain group of gamers. Bet these same gamers will be ready to start their hate campaign when the new naughty dog gets gameplay. Those same gamers already started attacking Wolverine.
The desire to constantly keep hating on almost every other game be it single-player or live service games will have more negative impact on games than some studios known for making live service games making more live service games
Again, nobody cares, except for those who constantly cry about it.
@redemption oh no, people attacked a game that hasn't released yet, does that bother you? kinda hypocritical to call other people snowflakes then. I don't get why people are so bothered by it, it shouldn't change your enjoyment or view of the game at all. You think no one ever said anything negative about Ratchet and Clank, or Sunset overdrive, or spiderman and according to you thats way worse than shitty live service games, but what did actually change for Insomniac? thats right, nothing! if the creators arent bothered by it, you probably shouldnt be either.
Really it's not hate? Alt-right gaming YouTube channels have been all over Marathon, the Destiny fanbase, and the Arc Raiders fanbase. All want it to fail, why because the colors are too bright and aren't casual enough?
Y'all gotta let go of Concord as well. The gaming community loves chasing games that are long and gone. Almost like they're chasing down an ex-girlfriend or ex-boyfriend.
Ooof you guys are so sensitive. I mean, believe whatever I guess. I've no horse in this race but I'm pretty certain it's going to fail. Don't hate me for truths you find hard to swallow. I'm not saying there isn't hate for this game. I'm saying that's not what will kill it. You just need to make money with whatever supposed market there is for this. That won't happen.
"They people who supposedly don't care about it, cry about them the most"
"Again, nobody cares, except for those who constantly cry about it."
...he says, while crying about it. You're absolutely right in a completely un-self-aware kind of way.
Multiplayer people may care. I’m a single player gamer so yeah I don’t care about these games. Casuals are a different story though. If a game gets popular they’ll jump in.
Yeah that's what i was thinking.
it's not for me but i think it will make a dedicated fanbase happy for a long time
The hate is justified; the people managing these companies want us to consume whatever bullshit they drop at our feet whenever the fiscal quarter turns over. Marathon's problem is Highguard's problem is Concord's problem is AAA gaming's problem right now: the c-suite suits WHO DON'T PLAY VIDEO GAMES are chasing the lowest common denominator, applying business theory to an inherently artistic medum. They all want a formula to catch lightning in a bottle **without letting the artists make art**. There's no creative vision or passionate pursuit behind games like Marathon, it's all spreadsheets and focus groups and what's charting on Twitch or YouTube.
Gunplay is solid for this game and has been what I've been looking for in awhile. But everything else comes off as mid/nothing special to me.
I hate these types of games so i’m not the best judge of them but what i saw online was one of the most boring shit i’ve seen in a long time. Concord and Highguard looked more fun to me.
Sony has started removing YouTube videos showing Concord running on fan-made custom servers, raising new questions about how far the company will go to shut down the community revival.
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BAD MODERATION FROM N4G - fair but humorous and critical comments were hidden with the Spam label being incorrectly used for the cover up.
It feels more like them being bitter that no one supported it, but maybe it's me.
I'd appreciate them bringing back Warhawk—sadly I don't see that happening.
hell yeah bring back warhawk. i thought helldivers 2 would fill that itch but not quite. that to me was the funnest online experience i ever had on playstation. last of us online was also a fun time but warhawk was quite cool made so many friends on that.
You and me both, mate. I'm totally a single player gamer through and through, but there was something about Warhawk that was absolutely captivating. Could play for hours.
Did people really think they would let people potentially profit off of what THEY said was trash? It’s actually funny people even tried this
You gotta admit it’s weird that anyone out there wants to play it considering we were told it was shit.
Profit? Hosting community servers would cost the mod team money, not make it :/
The people who liked it like it
The people who didn't like it, didn't
They made up their minds, its just different people with different views, I can't believe i have to explain this
The overwhelming majority of people think its a dumpster 🔥. Even sony can make trash my man. I personally liked it but I also liked the last 2 medal of honors and people didn't like those either
A former Firewalk Studios dev called the canceled multiplayer first-person hero shooter, Concord, "the most beautiful car that we crashed."
The most ugly car crash you mean, especially the characters. The game was a generic ripoff of Guardians of the Galaxy and Overwatch. It was awful stop trying to defend it. It is dead and I hope it never comes back. The "best" part of the game was probably that it actually ran.
They went in thinking it would be automatically successful because it was a Sony game, but in the end it didn't have the audience they expected.
Because PlayStation is just a third party machine for the next Madden and COD to the majority of owners.
Beautiful or not, it’s gamers who decide and not developers. If gamers criticize something the devs better listen.
In the end we crushed those gaas plans.
There's no automatic success, no one is that naive.
They thought their ugly characters were going to reshape in people's minds what they think is attractive. This is why the ugly female developers keep making ugly characters in games that resemble them ie. Spiderman writer inserting herself as Mary Jane.
Women think status is attractive, so they insert themselves in status positions in media, games etc and believe men will find them more attractive because of that status. Instead, we just don't buy their games, since men are not attracted to status.
Hard to have bad performance when no one plays and the servers never take a load...
O please give me a break 🤣🤣 you made a turd. Open up your nostrils and smell it. You’re not going to learn from your horrible mistakes with this attitude
Y’all might want to start listening to your consumers before going through with things. Or at least have a finger on the pulse of what the people you’re trying to sell a game to are wanting to fork money over.
There can be a lot trash talk and logical criticsm and a game can still sell millions. Concord though didn't pass its test of release.
That's tough, that's unforgiving and it hurts.
But it had its chance. It should be benficial for everyone to dust it off and to just move on.
Hermen Hulst is Jim Ryan in disguise.
He will continue with the same plans after Concord´s Epic disaster. Smh
In the Interview Herman never took true accountability for Concord. Jim Bought Concord based off of Herman thinking it was gonna be a big hit.
As I said numerous times Herman as well as PS are experts in SP but LS they need some help. I fear for Fairgames next year.
As long as I don't have a story uncovering the complete picture behind Concord with testimony, I won't draw any conclusion or make any judgement towards Hulst.
The double CEO lead was and still is a very good idea in my opinion. Both, Nishino & Hulst, bring alot to the table.
Concord now is what it is. I just hoped Firewalk wouldn't get closed.
On the other hand - who truly knows what the studios' atmosphere was? Who's got that knowledge? Please share. Sometimes you just can't save it.
@Obscure
A console generation has always been carried mostly by 3rd party support. And 1st parties gave people reasons to decide in favor of one or the other hardware.
And it will stay that way for at least another 20 years - that's my conviction.
First party AA or AAA games are definitely expensive, I believe them that, wether it's Xbox, Playstation or Nintendo.
But I truly believe they are still worth it. Because they don't just sell their own copies. They give people reasons and sell the brand.
SIE hold 10 games in Metacritic's 'Top 40'. 5 of them in the 'Top 10'.
So - looking at Playstation as a brand: were they worth it?
I think it's safe to say: yes.
They spent years on one game, made nothing other than that one game, got purchased by a huge company and then shut down a year after. I said it before and I'll say it again, they had plenty of time to come to the decision to make this f2p, all the way back in 2021 when SONY made a deal with em. I really don't understand the logic of getting into the live service fad. There have been A LOT of MP games that have come out and died off days later, maybe with enough luck a year later. And the ones that have survived aren't exactly great games, they stay afloat by a relatively small dedicated fan base when compared to how much a SP game could potentially sell. And when most of their studios have been tasked to make MP games you really gotta wonder wtf is going on. We're half way thru the gen and most PS studios haven't released a thing.
This generation has been more profitable for Playstation then all previous generations combined and the generation is only half way over. They also slayed their chief competition almost driving them completely out if the console business. Gaming Bolt is trash.