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Killzone 2 and the Problem with Public Betas

Dailygame: Killzone 2 is one of my most anticipated games of 2009. I didn't need the beta to come to that conclusion; I've known that since I got my hands on the game at E3 2008. Killzone 2 is the best-looking game I have ever played. It's got intense scripted moments a la Infinity Ward's Call of Duty games, its gunplay and AI are a sheer joy, and its multiplayer action is as deep and robust as any you've played to date. So why did the Killzone 2 beta leave me with a sour taste?

It wasn't the beta itself; that was fantastic (although I did get my a$$ handed to me by all the "vets" since I joined the party a few days late). Instead, it was the experience reinforcing the flaws inherent in having a public multiplayer beta in the first place. The Killzone 2 beta wasn't a disappointment at all; it was the realization that it suffered from the problem inherent in all public betas.

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beast6371d ago

It has nothing to do with Killzone per say... Did he just add Killzone just to get hits?

jkhan6371d ago

Well its one of the most anticipated game of 2009. So you can expect any news related to it is a big hit. Remember the Halo3 mountain dew ads :P

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freeblue6371d ago (Edited 6371d ago )

so. the auther basically saying online MP should be made for hardcore gamers in mind and only? because they should be the only ones to benefit, thought of, by the developers?

Elitism much?

Online MP should have a range of players in them, so players come in later days will be able to play with the beginners and not have to be murdered by the veterns that have every weapon, know every hideout or trick in teh game.

Kleptic6371d ago

its an old argument...and its not really public betas...its competitive multiplayer shooters...someone is ALWAYS better than you...just live with it...some people get turned off by getting destroyed all the time in a competitive game...which is hard for me to figure out why...we have all sucked at one point...just get better...or don't play it...either way, whining about it accomplishes nothing...

the good news is that Killzone 2 'feels' different enough that pretty much everyone is will be starting from zero on day 1...its a clean slate...nothing else plays or feels like the multiplayer of killzone 2...its not CoD 4, despite the comparisons (anyone in the beta knows exactly what i am saying)...and it definitely isn't halo...its killzone...after this game releases, there will be a third faction for the 'what does this shooter play like' question...CoD, Halo, or killzone?...

the final build has enough control tweaks and weapon changes to keep even beta testers on their toes...of which there were only a few thousand anyway...the chances of you getting trashed constantly by a beta tester are slim to none, as its very likely millions will have this game in the first few weeks...

but you better believe that this game will garner a massive hardcore audience and fan base...the clan stuff is extremely deep...with in game sanctioned tournaments and 'bets'...there will definitely be a crowd that takes this game very seriously for a few years...thats how all the big shooters end up...if you get tired of people talking trash, mute them...if you enjoy the game, but think you are a little under experienced, play against bots a lot at first...that helps you learn the objectives and the maps...and will make you A LOT better when playing other humans...

but if anything i think GG has done an excellent job of keeping the better players playing each other...and keeping the newer players playing each other...the most dedicated guys will be invovled in constant clan fights...and the lobby system supports rank filters...so you can matchmake a game with players only at your rank or lower (as well as a lot of other options)...while there is the 'fake account' problem, you'll still be facing off against mostly similar experienced players...everyone will be fine...

Nineball21126371d ago

Great post and points you made Kleptic.

+ Bubbles...

Bubble Buddy6370d ago

Don't know about you guys but I feel that if you play and finish the single-player a few times, it makes you more prepared for the online. Maybe that's just me.

Graphics Whore6371d ago

Seems like he just posted Killzone 2 in his title to get some notoriety on his article.

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DJ6371d ago

4 months prior to the game's release date, thus allowing them to make some Major alterations to the gameplay. Insomniac screwed up this process by holding their beta extremely close to Resistance 2's release date. I felt no difference between the Beta and Final versions.

Developers need to give themselves enough time to learn from their public betas and process/incorporate the huge amount of feedback.

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Why Guerrilla Games Shouldn't Abandon the Killzone Series

Hugely disappointingly, it seems that Guerrilla Games, developers of the Killzone and Horizon series, may be done with Killzone for good.

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IAMRealHooman610d ago

1 was fine, overhyped as a " halo" killer
2 was a graphical beast at the time, and felt heavy
3 was good a refinement of 2 but not much else. weird audio issues environment were to quiet
shadow fall was pretty but bland

OtterX610d ago (Edited 610d ago )

Shadowfall had great Multiplayer though. Too bad the campaign was meh at best. It did have the occasional great moment sprinkled in.

TheNamelessOne609d ago (Edited 609d ago )

I played through 2/3 multiple times. I played through the original once, but it felt pretty lukewarm for me. I couldn't be bothered to beat Shadow Fall. I got a couple hours in and just went "I'm done". Never touched it again. It was awesome on the tech side, being a launch title, but it didn't even match up to the first game when it came to actually having fun playing it.

Rude-ro610d ago

3 in 3d was an amazing experience to be had.
Although not many experienced it as intended for good reasons.

just_looken609d ago

You forgot the ai advancements on the playstation 2 killzone one you could have a full team of bots doing everything even playing the objective that was a big thing.

In killzone 2 they always flanked you and when available used the high ground.

Playing killzone 2 no hud 5.1 audio was/is awesome

MDTunkown610d ago

They should finish Horizon story first

darthv72610d ago

I dont mind if someone else takes up the mantle for the KZ franchise. We are several years removed from the first game. It certainly could use a remake to gauge interest in the rest of the series. I know it has its fans... Im thinking of how a proper reboot can rekindle that old dormant flame and bring in a new generation of fans in the process.

just_looken609d ago

You forgot killzone mercenaries on the ps vita but it was the worst selling sony game for awhile there.

Yui_Suzumiya609d ago

Yeah, a remake would be pretty awesome

anast610d ago

They should let it go or sell it. No use spending millions on this project.

LucasRuinedChildhood609d ago

Would like a new IP before Horizon 3. Just because games take so long to make these days.

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PlayStation 3 Games That Desperately Need a PS5 Remaster

The PlayStation 3 may not have been the strongest generation for Sony, but there were still some diamonds in the rough that deserve a revisit as PS5 remasters.

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OtterX839d ago (Edited 839d ago )

Even if they could just remaster and put on PSVR2, some would still look great as VR titles and could do a whole lot to bolster the headset w these exclusives! I'd imagine the investment of reworking these titles into VR would be way less than building new games from the ground up, and they could be amazing experiences, and VR often makes flat games feel fresh again. The Resistance and Killzone games are particularly what I want to see!!

Rude-ro838d ago

I played killzone 3 in 3d and it really changed the game per being immersive.
In vr, that would be even more awesome.

darthv72838d ago

Funny you mention that... my son wanted to play some PS3 games in 3d on my PS tv and he was blown away by how good KZ3 was. It really was a great addition to the game. Im surprised there have not been more 3d games from that era being ported to the PSVR/VR2.

_SilverHawk_838d ago

resistance 1-3, killzone 1-3, uncharted 1-3, uncharted golden abyss, folklore, socom 4 , motorstorm, twisted metal, MAG, heavenly sword

Cacabunga838d ago

Killzone 2+3
Sly Thieves in Time
Crack in Time
God of War Ascension
Motorstorm
Modnation racer
Infamous 1+2

Profchaos838d ago (Edited 838d ago )

Killzone trilogy in VR would be amazing bonus points if they offer shadow fall.

There was a psvr1 Killzone project that supermassive was working on at one stage which wasn't up to scratch and Sony brand it back in house I was hoping we would see that on psvr2 eventually.

Personally I'd love to see some more love or acknowledgement of psvr2 from Sony in general it was a expensive headset and Sony barely acknowledge it's existence

seanpitt23838d ago

The amount of work needed to remaster these games wouldn't be beneficial on a financial and business sense.. MGS4 would probably be the best bet as it would need the least amount of work!

Iceball2000839d ago

YEAAASSSSS! I miss this franchise and wanna play it so bad again.

Father__Merrin839d ago

The time is perfect for a resistance fall of man game campaign coop multiplayer

InUrFoxHole839d ago

The resistance series is str8 trash to me. Socom 3 I would welcome. Or killzone MP.

Marcus Fenix839d ago

A Resistance reboot will be awesome

Michiel1989838d ago

That's what Bungie should make, Ill keep saying it until it happens

1Victor839d ago (Edited 839d ago )

Resistance was ok but Warhawk and Starhawk was better and kept me coming back for almost a decade of fun and petty revenge on the loud mouth unskilled players 🤣
Edit I loved capture the flag dropping the pot on the flag carrier was extremely satisfying as well as transforming your plane in bot form and stumping them to death 😱

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Michiel1989838d ago

Resistance was the best co-op fps I ever played after L4D2

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20 Years of Guerrilla: The Story of a PlayStation Studio

The Amsterdam-based studio reflects on its humble beginnings, beloved franchises, and growth through the years.

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SullysCigar1143d ago

Up there with the top tier in the industry. Love Guerrilla Games - Horizon Burning Shores is simply STUNNING.

1Victor1143d ago

Can’t wait for their next franchise

SullysCigar1143d ago

Same. They nailed it with Horizon. The trouble is I also want a new Killzone! Can't I just have it all?!

jznrpg1142d ago

I’m with you I want Horizon 3 , Killzone and new IPs

badz1491142d ago

I have yet to play Burning Shores as I just started Forbidden West (bought at launch, just unwrapped last weekend LOL) and playing on PS5.

man...I still can't believe the graphics especially now I'm playing it on my LG OLED. that graphics and with stable performance backing it up, GG really is the master of their craft!

Vengeance11381143d ago

32.7M sales in the Horizon franchise! With 8.4M coming from Forbidden West alone! Truly a hugely successful game and franchise as a whole. Looking forward to Horizon III

Shane Kim1143d ago

That's kind of a huge drop though. It's only been two games.

VersusDMC1143d ago

One year after realease HZD sold 7.6 million.

https://www.noobfeed.com/ne...

So not a drop off.

Unless you're saying a HFW should have sold as much now as HZD sold in 5 years?

Vengeance11381143d ago

It's been 3 games, this includes Call of the Mountain. Also no, its a great improvement over HZD.

solideagle1143d ago

lol you are comparing:

HZD: 28 February 2017 - May 2023 (6 years+)

HFW: 18 February 2022 - May 2023 (1 year+)

We will see if it surpass original number.

Phoenix761143d ago

@shane, 2 full main games, 2 DLC add ons, 1 VR spin off game, oh and a an official LEGO set.
Not too bad for an ip that's only been on market for 6 years

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REDGUM1142d ago

Wow, very impressive. I didn't know the numbers were so high for Forbidden West. Still playing through it myself

thesoftware7301143d ago (Edited 1143d ago )

Yooo, when I first saw that Killzone 1 footage at E3, my friends my brothers and I were like, Holy shit! When it came out, it didn't look exactly like it, but we sunk so many hours into 1 & 2.

I even liked Killzone: SF, it was a spectacle to look at, and even today it looks good. I hope they make a new one. Can you imagine how that will look, and they can get some modern FPS pointers from Bungie.

blacktiger1142d ago

thank you fps lover, I'm with you

talocaca1143d ago

Such a wonderful studio. They deserve all their success.

The Decima Engine is absolute 🔥 I'm just mad they have abandoned Killzone.

OzzY-waZZy1143d ago (Edited 1143d ago )

Kinda wish they move on from Horizon tbh.

lukasmain1142d ago

They are probably working on mutiple projects. One of them is Horizon 3, but another is a multiplaer game and probably somehting else.

Imalwaysright1142d ago

There were rumours that they were working on a Socom reboot.

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