Thoughts on Nintendo's next-gen console and recommendations for major changes in direction with PS6

Mevov · 2024-01-06T11:51:22Z

The PlayStation 5 Slim seems to be selling well compared to the original model, but it seems like it is still not enough to outperform the PlayStation 4, according to a new report.

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Einhander1972742d ago

So what does that say about Microsoft's two consoles that won't even sell 50m?

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darthv72742d ago

To be fair... Sony needs PS sales more than MS needs XB sales. Sony has other ventures, but nothing that bring in the same amount of $$ while MS makes more $$ from pretty much their server, windows and office line of products. They still see XB as a pet project even though it has done better than they initially expected. Which is why it is still active unlike other pet projects like Zune and Hololens.

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Christopher742d ago

How does any of what you wrote change the comparison? In the industry of consoles do we ignore performance from a trillion dollar company just by default?

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S2Killinit741d ago

Pet project? xbox was a pet project now? I mean, wow. Soo, everything MS has said so far.. I’m sorry Im lost for words.. What a ridiculous comment. Is that supposed to be in defense of MS? Im just curious. How about stop making excuses for them? I think that would be better for xbox fans.

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dveio741d ago

"They still see XB as a pet project"

According to how Xbox is doing since the end of 360 era - you're absolutely right.

But looking at numbers:

Considering MS has spent close to $85bn for studio acquisitions alone, spends $1 to $1.9bn annually for Third Parties in Gamepass, $2.5bn for ID@Xbox since 2017 ... that's a pretty neat pet project.

And here you still exclude any costs for R&D for the consoles, any costs for First Party titles, shipping, marketing, personnel, etc.

In other words: MS has spent annual net revenues from 2023 or 2022 or all net revenues combined from 2009 to 2019 into Xbox Gaming Division. And that's for the numbers that only are publically available.

If you ask me, Xbox Gaming Division is a financial headache for Microsoft ever since.

And Windows fierce product placements and monopolistic actions were always a headache for the public.

But that's a different topic that's been covered enough in the media.

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EvertonFC741d ago

Pet project ? Haven't they just spent 65b on acquisitions. I don't call that a pet project 😂🤣

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Mr Logic741d ago (Edited 741d ago )

Lol. This is like when people claim Xbox is more profitable than PS while ignoring that the Bungie acquisition comes out of PS financials (and they still turn a profit) while all the Xbox acquisitions come from the MS wallet.

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Rynxie740d ago

Ms Xbox is still around because they are buying out competition and monopolizing the industry. Ms couldn't buy out apple or monopolize the music industry.

Ms tactics has always been to buyout or monopolize. If they can't do both or either, they pull out.

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anast740d ago

All branches of a business need to make money. Xbox losing money is why they are selling toasters and leaning heavily to mobile games.

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darthv72742d ago (Edited 742d ago )

@chris, there was no comparison. einhander's statement was intended to change the topic at hand. all i did was provide some context to help him formulate his own answer.

To address yours, in essence, because XB was never a key profit division... it means absolutely nothing to their two consoles like it does to Sony's. Hence why the topic should be redirected back to the main subject matter.

You, of all people, should know this.

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Einhander1972742d ago

No, the comment was made in relation to the original article which was changed.

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Chevalier740d ago

Except their Music division was their best performing division. So Sony doesn't only need their game division to carry them.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

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343_Guilty_Spark741d ago (Edited 741d ago )

Says your mom won’t be getting you those consoles for Christmas. How unfortunate!

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outsider1624740d ago

His mom made a wise decision!

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BlackCountryBob741d ago

Does make an interesting point about the idea of a PS5 pro and if there really is as much of a market for it as people assume. I do think if there’s one thing to take from the switch’s success is that graphics are important, but good game and especially art design should be the priority.

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EvertonFC741d ago

Sony will know the numbers of what the ps5 pro will sell from PS4 pro sales data.
I'm guessing the ps4 pro sold about 15m and Sony will be happy to accommodate that pro crowd with the ps5 pro with little work needed.
I also imagine with gta6 there will be more gamers willing to buy the ps5 pro this time around compared to the ps4 pro. How many PC gamers will be tempted to buy a ps5 pro not willing to wait 1 or 2 years for the PC version ?

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Zeke68740d ago (Edited 740d ago )

@EvertonFc When PS4/Pro had sold a little over 100 million Sony said 25% of that was Pro consoles. So you are like vgachartz, undercutting the Pro with 10 million while it's almost twice of the number you claimed. The Pro sold somewhere between 25- 28 million.

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FinalFantasyFanatic740d ago

I would think Sony has does a cost benefit analysis of some sort, they have data from their previous Pro model, so they probably have a ball park figure for how much they think they can sell.

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EvertonFC740d ago

@zeke68

As of January 2020 PS4 PRO sold 14.2m consoles, data from the ABK acquisition leaked documents.
So actually I was right and you were way over 😂🤣

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Kekewei741d ago

This dude once predicted xsx would succeed in Japan at the beginning of this gen, so ya.....

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Unknown_Gamer5794741d ago

There were Xbox people who actually thought it would outsell the PS4. I’m not even kidding.

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Eonjay741d ago

It's pretty much tied with the PS4. And, the Xbox people were right. It's passing the PS4 if it hasn't already. It is ahead in the US and Japan BTW. Only behind in Europe where stock was non existent

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Eonjay741d ago

The whole thing is a scam. The PS5 was one week behind ps4 sales as of the week if December 9th meaning that the PS5 could very well be ahead if the PS4 by now. This is probably the last chance blogs have to try to pretend that the PS5 is really behind. Ignore it. It's a scam.

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derek741d ago (Edited 741d ago )

What a bunch of nonsense, is the translation even correct? Since announcing 50 million sold and setting the 25 million target for the fiscal year, it's been a cavalcade of fud against all things playstation. Now Sony should copy the switch for the ps6 and the pro wont sell? Lol. When and if the pro is announced it will be the exact same pandemonium we saw with the ps5s release.

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Kekewei741d ago

English-speaking readers might not be familiar with this guy, he's been talking shit of Sony since the psp days.

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Firebird360741d ago

Ps5 is selling really well but what it needs is exclusives. 3 years in ps4 was loaded with exclusives.
Xbox and playstation lack exclusives.

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EvertonFC741d ago (Edited 741d ago )

Don't put playstation and Xbox in the same sentence regarding exclusives.
It's been pretty good so far imo. That's basically 4 a year but agree we're missing ND and some other studios still it's been a great 3 years imo. Business as usual from playstation, as for Xbox well abysmal.

GT7
GoWR
Spiderman MM
Spiderman 2
Returnal
Ratchet and clank
Kena
Horizon forbidden west
FF16
Forspoken
Sackboy
Godfall
Destruction all stars

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MrNinosan741d ago

@XL6se
Being on PS4/PC doesn't make them less "exclusive" in the counting of exclusives.
With your counting, Xbox has 0 exclusives, which is not fair, as we count Starfield, Forza, Halo Infinite, Flight Simulator, Red Fall, Hifi Rush etc as Xbox exclusives.

Forspoken is still better than most of those, and was criticised for the wrong reasons, same as Days Gone back in the days.

Forspoken is actually a good game if you actually played it.

The exclusive list for PS5 is even longer, counting PSVR2 games.

And console exclusives, I can think of at least a few more.
Octopath Traveler 2, Tchia, Astro's Playroom, Demon Souls, Last of Us Part 1, Trails into Reverie, Disgaea 7, Atelier Ryza 3... well, going to jrpg side of things we got too much to count.

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MrNinosan741d ago

You missed PSVR2, Demon's Souls, Astro's Playroom and more

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CS7741d ago

What is with you guys and the constant Xbox comparisons.

Xbox performance has been dismal for the last 3 gens. Are we expecting any better now. MS has failed in gaming imo.

Let’s focus on Sony and the PS5.

Their exclusive output has been subpar this gen. PS5 has only a few exclusives: FF16, R&C, Returnal, Spiderman 2, Forspoken.

Heading into the fourth year that’s horrible

And please dont tell me about the up rezed PS4 games. I believe in generations.

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goldwyncq741d ago

A lot of those games you listed are cross-gen by the way, so not true PS5 exclusives. And seriously, Forspoken and Godfall? Those aren't games worth boasting about.

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shinoff2183740d ago

Mrninosan.
Still one of the biggest reasons I stick with ps. I've never been let down, and the jrpgs can't be matched.

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shaenoide741d ago

Stop being greedy bast*rd ?

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gold_drake741d ago

wasnt this also the person who said the xsx would be a major hit in japan ?

just sayin lol

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contra157741d ago

I sometimes forget Xbox and PlayStation 5 exist . Switch is where it’s at!

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goldwyncq741d ago

This generation is a disappointment when it comes to first party exclusives. Almost 4 years into the generation and we still don't have a generation-defining IP for the PS5 like God of War or Uncharted, and Xbox's biggest exclusive is a mediocre open world game.

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Profchaos740d ago (Edited 740d ago )

I think we live in a world of sequels we simply won't see many new IPs because it cost so much so while many of the games we've gotten this gen are great most are sequels or less budget I'm not taking first party either.

There's many people who feel this way to go to Reddit you'll see countless posts echoing this

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