Vewy foolish words my fwiend, vewy foolish words

O you mean the game that is releasing on pc what 2 3 years later not needing ssd anymore. Not real surprising they've been able to optimize it some more during that 2 to 3 years. Yall love to reach when it comes to doom and gloom on ps.

Sparky77

Yea cause it makes total sense to do marketing by saying your having trouble with one of the versions lol. Could be they just are being honest

Haven't read up on it, but does Ratchet and Clank manage to switch between worlds as fast on a hdd or do they stretch the transition screen? Does seem like something that needs an ssd, because they do load between huge scenes in a short amount of time. Unless they can somehow preload all of it.

***Yup not only that but the poster child for Ssd Ratech and Clank Rip in Time can run off Hdd. ***

How disingenuous. It doesn't just run off HDD but requires newer tech in the form of DirectStorage 1.2. Guess how many last generation consoles supported that?

"One thing of note with the PC version: the developer recommends you use a solid-state drive instead of the HDD. While you can play Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart using the HDD and the minimum system requirements, the studio encourages you to use the SSD in combination with the recommended system requirements or higher to experience the game as originally intended.

To ensure things run smoothly, the team at Nixxes implemented DirectStorage 1.2, including GPU decompression. This was to ensure quick loading and instant transition between dimensions, as it allows assets to be loaded quickly."

@Christopher

Even without the discussion of Direct Storage on PC, RC was tested on a PS5 with an SSD that had so many pins taped off that it was only running at about 1.7Gbps and it ran perfectly with barely a difference in load times.

SSDs are important this gen because of how they read and access data , not so much because of their speed (though obviously speed isn’t completely irrelevant). That whole speed discussion was nothing more than the typical marketing bs that we usually get between the 2 companies

@--Onilink--

Sorry, but that's a lot of BS you just recited there. Read speed is vitally important for seamless loading/transitioning.

@Christopher

Care to explain WHY its BS? You dont really seem to want to explain how Ratchet and Clank ran just in an SSD almost 3X slower than the internal SSD of the PS5 and there is video proof of it.
SSDs might have significantly higher speeds, but the absolutely most important factor on why they are so different is because of how they have near instant access to the data, and that coupled with the dedicated hardware decompression block (the part that Direct Storage would actually replace on PCs), is what made all the difference between this gen and the last.

So let me say it again, yes SSD speed can be important for faster load times or copy speeds, but in terms of gameplay, it was never the biggest factor, which is why you dont see any differences between the SX and PS5 SSDs during gameplay, or why Ratchet and Clank ran fine in an SSD nowhere near the recommended PS5 specs

@sparky trying to get marketing hype behind their game by making disparaging comments about one of the consoles they are trying to sell it on? That's just stupid.

@sonyslave3 - Can run on HDD by using the GPU to do hardware decompression which harms the performance so badly that it can only run at 720p30 - fixed

@fr0sty

You seem to be really mixing up how Direct Storage works and what that spec sheet showed.

Yes, they are including HDDs in the minimum spec which runs at 720p30, but they are also including an 8 year old GPU and CPU for those specs.

Direct Storage isn’t going to harm performance (specially at lower resolutions) because its moving the task away from the CPU to the GPU which is better suited to the task, let alone leaving the fact that the CPU is as important if not more important to drive higher framerates.

So yes, we still dont fully know what the limitations of DirectStorage will be when running on an HDD on this game (or any for that matter), and there will absolutely be limitations, but the framerate and resolution they have on that spec sheet are result of all the other components listed there and DirectStorage (or equivalent things like RTX IO) very much looks to be a pretty great thing for PC gaming

*** Care to explain WHY its BS? You dont really seem to want to explain how Ratchet and Clank ran just in an SSD almost 3X slower than the internal SSD of the PS5 and there is video proof of it. ***

I mean, this whole 'speed doesn't matter' and 'it's other things' when those others things are... the freaking speed, whether it's through faster read/write or faster access. They're all the same and are all about increasing data throughput for used by the GPU or for general updating with data.

https://www.intel.com/conte...

https://insights.samsung.co...

And your video? Where is it, let's see it. What I see are videos like this from reputable sources: https://www.youtube.com/wat... where they even say how lowest end PS5 SSD has framerate issues. But you want me to believe a damaged SSD below PS5 specs runs it perfectly fine without fault? C'mon now.

No matter how many troll spam accounts upvote you and downvote me, your comment is just silly. Have faster read/write access, whether hardware or software supported, is vitally important for seamless gaming. Otherwise, why wasn't there games doing instantaneous changes last gen? Why are there direct load in screens now? Why are there fewer hallways and elevator scenes in current gen games (if any)? Why are logging screens so useless now because the time it takes to read the hint it gives isn't enough because the game has already loaded?

You're just talking nonsense to downplay something when this technology has been on PC for a while and is now benefiting consoles heavily as well as advancing video game design because the minimum requirement is now removing HDD more and more and video game design can advance to not have transition effects or scenes.

***but the absolutely most important factor on why they are so different is because of how they have near instant access to the data***

Umm... that is read/write speed. You understand that, right? Part of read/write speed issues on HDD is having to write to sectors, which they have to find. That's why it takes longer. Because of the design of finding a place to write to. That's all included in the speed analysis. It is the same thing.

@Christopher

No… near instant access to data is not related to read write speeds… that is the bandwith/throughput once the data has been found, I suggest you actually take your time to understand how an SSD works

And you are pretty conceited if you think I would ever go through the trouble of creating accounts to agree or disagree with anything (and pretty arrogant to think that if you have disagrees its because someone has to using troll accounts)

As for the video, it is that DF video, and I’m not sure you actually saw it, because pretty much everything from 6:30 onwards show my point.
Again, they had to lower to 1.7gbs to actually start noticing things, and it was still running fine.
They also discussed it in their latest podcast (or the one before, I cant remember which one) and how they will be testing very different scenarios on PC, which is actually very interesting.

So I dont know what to tell you, one because I never said speeds dont matter, I said they were not biggest breakthrough in the current Storage situation and they are not the biggest differentiators with an HDD, and second because we have literally seen this entire generation games having no gameplay differences between PS5 and SX despite a massive speed difference between the two other than just straight up loading screens (and even then its a negligible difference)

So I dont know why you are so committed to the speeds being such a big factor when not a single game this gen so far has proved that to be the case and the fact that Ratchet and Clank can even be played with an HDD at all, just because Direct Storage is the equivalent of so many of those other components that I mentioned, doesnt tell you just how much more important they are than the raw read/write speeds are, then I dont know what would convince you of it

***No… near instant access to data is not related to read write speeds… that is the bandwith/throughput once the data has been found, I suggest you actually take your time to understand how an SSD works***

I didn't say read write was the same as access rate, but every aspect applies to why were able to access and use data at the rate we do and the fact that access takes much longer on HDD affects its capability to appear seamless because it extends time to get to the point of a read/write.

I literally said in my first comment to you that read speed is vital to seamless gaming and that is a fact and every link I presented says that. Is access rate to data also vital, absolutely, but slower ssds still have read/write speeds that don't keep up with modern files sizes and quantity of files with increased use of various texture based effects.

Even Sony's ssds rely on hardware decompression (see below). If it didn't have that, it would require even faster ssds to do the exact same thing as now.

***As for the video, it is that DF video, and I’m not sure you actually saw it, because pretty much everything from 6:30 onwards show my point.
Again, they had to lower to 1.7gbs to actually start noticing things, and it was still running fine. ***

Not at all what the video showed. They showed just using the low end PS5 approved SSD had lower fps but that must wouldn't notice. They didn't at all sabotage the SSD or force it to run at lower specs. They used different certified PS5 ssds to prove the difference we're minimal because... They don't use a non-approved or in anyway modified SSD, which you said above that they did.

Rich even specified that what is doing half of the heavy lifting with seamless transitions is Sony's dedicated hardware decompression technology, reducing the size of what is being read from the SSD to the hardware-based decompression that works in tandem with the GPU.