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Why MGS4's Release is 2008's Most Defining Event

Split-screen.com writes: "Commemorating 10 years of a predominantly Sony-exclusive franchise, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots wasn't just a new update for the franchise. Not that an MGS game wasn't hyped or hadn't excelled critically and commercially, however, in terms of advertising, content and production values, MGS4 tops them all.

"Some may disagree with this being labeled the defining event of 2008, but there is simply too much significance attached to the game's release. Ten years of Metal Gear Solid coming full circle. One of the few exclusives to PS3. The game that sold more PS3s than even Grand Theft Auto IV."

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Megaton6355d ago

I think it was pretty important. Whether they make another Metal Gear game or not, they wrapped up the story of Solid Snake, and damn near every other character in the series. It's not often that you see a series as old and as complex as Metal Gear come to a real conclusion.

Guitarded6355d ago

The overly complex story is one of the reasons many don't like the series. The graphics have always been superb, the way the story is told has always been interesting and different. MGS4 took both of these to new levels, but the story itself is to long and full of wild, possibly drug induced, Metal Gear stupidity. It took something away from the gameplay for many. I do hope that developers will "borrow" some of the series production values. Just on shorter more coherent stories with more gameplay than story.

PotNoodle6355d ago

The convoluted story is what made MGS, i don't think many fans would have it any other way.

Guitarded6355d ago

There are a lot of fans too. I can appreciate the fan service. I like the idea that Kojima? is looking at western development, though that may upset some of his fans.

PotNoodle6355d ago

His games have always been more western than your typical japanese game, sure in the older games you can tell it is a game made by a japanese developer and even in MGS4, but they have usually been more western friendly than your average japanese game.

FantasyStar6355d ago (Edited 6355d ago )

They were disappointed by MGS4's shoddy plot devices: nanomachines? c'mon. And the PowerPoint styled cut-scenes isn't MGS-esque: which is weird. MGS4 wrote itself into a huge hole mainly because of MGS2. There's a clear controversy as to whether MGS4 really did deliver in the story: SPOILERS BELOW(oh like it matters now...)

-BnB Unit felt "tacked on" -never really carried their own weight in the story.
-Liquid Ocelot (MGS2 Retcon)
-Big Mama's involvement in MGS4 was too short.(given her biggest role)
-Rosemary was effin' useless outside of "how do I stop sucking speeches"
-Lack of Codec Conversations(especially funny ones that defines the MGS series)
-Cam Clarke didn't return as Liquid. (Zimmerman, you were very good: but nothing can replace that fake, but sexy "british accent".

If you check various message boards: you'll see a clear line between people whom loved MGS3 more than MGS4. MGS4 as a whole is great and really out-did itself: but to the undying MGS fans of 10 years ago: it's hard to really accept this wonderful disaster as the masterpiece that Kojima is known for.

PirateThom6355d ago

I'm a fan of the series and I thought MGS4 was fantastic.

What now?

Megaton6355d ago

@1.6: Ditto.

I may not have played the originals until MGS3: Subsistence, but the first time I got my hands on the original Metal Gear Solid at launch, I was hooked. I love the series, and I really loved MGS4. Sure, there are things I would have changed, but the game still totally delivered way past my expectations.

Cerberus_Hunter6355d ago (Edited 6355d ago )

"The fans
They were disappointed by MGS4's shoddy plot devices:" And by that you mean yourself right?

-BnB Unit felt "tacked on" -never really carried their own weight in the story.

They where there to basically slow Snake down. Everything doesn't have to be story heavy to be important.

-Liquid Ocelot (MGS2 Retcon)

So?

-Big Mama's involvement in MGS4 was too short.(given her biggest role)
I'm glad for that actually...

-Rosemary was effin' useless outside of "how do I stop sucking speeches"
She was never useful...even in MGS2. Rosemary was more of a a distraction for Raiden.

-Lack of Codec Conversations(especially funny ones that defines the MGS series)
I agree but MGS4 is what 10 years after MGS2? Did you really think everything would be the same after 10 years??? or is that you didn't notice Otacon talking on the background?

-Cam Clarke didn't return as Liquid. (Zimmerman, you were very good: but nothing can replace that fake, but sexy "british accent".

Go play the game again to find why is that...

HDgamer6355d ago

A lot of people such as myself have been long time fans of Kojima's games. This game wasn't a disappointment. The fans of metal gear online and old vets from the mgs3: susbsistence online will agree. People aren't turned off by it, actually the newcomers are more turned off. Check out gamefaqs where most of the vets and fans hang out. I think you're one of the few who didn't like his games. As for everyone else, they love this game. The online is very strong.

Keowrath6355d ago

I absolutely adored MGS4 but agree with every single point you made. I would personally place MGS4 as my game of the year but I prefer MGS3 exactly because of the points you bring up.

*** SPOILERS BELOW ***

The BnB on their own were fine but when you compare them to the previous bosses they paled in comparison. All they had in explanation was a simple few lines from Drebin. They needed work. That being said they're still extremely enjoyable bosses just not quite up to previous standards.

Liquid Ocelot, I hated the whole brain washing idea into thinking he was liquid. They had to think something up and I'm not really what they could have done to improve on the brain washing idea.

Yup, Big Mama needed to play a bigger part. You only just get to meet her before she's gone. I think this helps to make her death all the more tragic though.

Rosemary was effin useless... Agreed but in her previous game she was effin annoying so I didn't really have a problem there.

Lack of Codec, this one definitely. 3 had some amazing conversations, some were hysterical, I loved the crocodile convo. 4 didn't really give us anyone to call.

Cam Clarke, yeah liquid wasn't the same without him but it was Liquid Ocelot, not liquid snake! (clutching at straws) Zimmerman did do a great job but it would have been nice for Cam Clarke to return.

That being said I enjoyed the game immensely, the final battle was epic and the chance to control Rex one last time was incredible! The return to Shadow moses was great but could have done with some more areas/enemies.

And yes I played through the game to get the boss emblem =)

thor6355d ago

The story of MGS is not a particularly convoluted one. It's just that they lie to you a lot. Remember in MGS2? The colonel lying to you the whole time? They use the exact same themes in MGS4; deception. If you took out all the lies you'd be left with a much less complicated plot. I think that many people don't understand it because there are all these lies going around that they take as truth. The "wisemen's committee" is a good example of this. It was clear by the end of MGS2 (to me at least) that the wisemen's committee was simply the network of AIs you'd been talking to. But people claimed that the wisemen's committee was actually a group of 12 people, because they'd been lied to in the game.

Liquid Ocelot was a U-turn on an already established plot point. They probably felt a bit stupid for having introduced liquid's arm that changes Ocelot into Liquid, so they simply pretended it never happened. The moment of revelation when we found out that Liquid had Ocelot's motives all along was not made clear enough, and a lot of supernatural elements are eschewed in favour of technology - nanomachines are used to explain too much. Foxdie was always meant to be nanomachines, but I'd have liked to have seen Vamp's superhuman abilities explained in a supernatural way. Some things should have been left open, as well, as they are in all good books and films.

The fundamental problem, of course, is that MGS2 was intended to be the last game in the Solid Snake storyline, or so I have heard. They certainly didn't plan out the plot when they created the game. The plot for the first 2 Metal Gears wasn't exactly as rich and convoluted as those of the later games, and I can't think that they themselves knew what the cause of everything was at that point, who the Patriots were etc.

Homicide6355d ago

I agree fantasystar. MGS4 was pretty disappointing. It didn't take itself seriously.

man0fsteel6355d ago

I thought that the revelation of nanomachines in the MGS series were equivalent to finding out that the midichlorins were the source of a jedi's/Sith's Force power in Star Wars Episode 1. It gave a higher purpose and understanding to the story and underlying explanation as to why things happened the way it did. I really thought the whole concept was awesome.

SL1M DADDY6354d ago

Just needed to post up and say...

I could not disagree more with your statememtn. MGS4 was and will always be the best of the series for me. MGS1, then 3 follow as close seconds.

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Hellsvacancy6355d ago

because Mgs4 is a defining game - its SUPERB!!!

earwax6355d ago

The best CARTOON I ever watched.

CrazzyMan6355d ago (Edited 6355d ago )

LoL.

MGS4 is a GAME of the DECADE.

Rhoic6355d ago

You know.. considering it outsold the biggest release of all time, Halo 3? >_>

This is almost just fanboy nonsense.

theEnemy6355d ago (Edited 6355d ago )

Gamespot's reason on why they chose MGS4 as their GotY of 2008.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3...

Totally agree.

liquidsnake6355d ago

Hahaha it almost looks like the guy with the glasses are about to cry at the end of the video. No shame though, I did it myself when Snake was frying.

ape0076355d ago

mgs 4 is indeed one of the best games in 2008

mgs 3 was better imo

mgs 4 must buy

Bigbangbing6355d ago

Playing as Big Boss ... is Like No Other.

:"(

Idree6355d ago

True, MGS3 was better.

But MGS4 was more defining as the article explains xD.

I loved both games equally :)

Cept Naked Snake is so much more badass :P

liquidsnake6355d ago

Well mine is still MGS1 and after that MGS2/3/4 (Sorry can't rate them, they are equally good)

Rikitatsu6355d ago

I agree :(

While MGS1 was the best in the series, I still prefer MGS3 over 2 and 4!

BTW you're a Mod in Rival's soul ? xD

I remember seeing your name there.

Bigbangbing6355d ago

@Rikitatsu

Yes , i was a Mod in Rival's soul ..

Now i'm True Gamer in TG Only :P

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The Judderman6355d ago

MGS4 was probably the Ps3's best release for 08 i would agree. It really rounded off the saga to a good conclusion. As good as it is i hope that Konami don't make another sequel to it as it could ruin what made number 4 so great. The story is complete, leave it there and make something else. I mean it would be like making another Star Wars movie with Luke Skywalker. Somethings should be left on a high note before they get milked.

PotNoodle6355d ago

Since the solid saga has ended, unless they make a prequel. Even still, i wouldn't be worried, kojima would be writing the story, scripts etc.

He said he would be involved in future metal gears, just not taking a direct position in the team.

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Konami Delists Some Metal Gear Games From Digital Stores Without Warning

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker HD have been delisted from digital stores without warning.

cloganart100d ago

I mean, it makes sense. With Vol.2 coming and all that

Commentby100d ago

Stupid headline. Should state that they are being updated or discontinued. This makes the crazy people that only read headlines think it some kind of conspiracy to take away peoples already purchased games.

jjb1981100d ago

If you want to all of a sudden own them now and haven't played them yet because a remastered is coming out, shame on you. I can't believe people are complaining about this 15 years later when it was bound to happen anyway. "A new remaster is out, quick, I'd better buy the original from the shop."

gigoran899d ago

Gamers: "Physical? who needs physical? everyone knows that digital online games are the future. stop living in the past. we don't need no stinking disc drive"

Same gamers: "How dare the delist a digital game that I own!!!!"

computeSci99d ago (Edited 99d ago )

And? What is your point?

Same gamers: "How dare the retailers to delist (quit selling) a physical game that I own!!!!"

I think you just read the headline and don't know how dilisting works with Sony. It's common knowledge that:

"Players who already bought the games will still have them in their library and can download and play them as usual."

So again, what is your point?

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PlayStation 3 Games That Desperately Need a PS5 Remaster

The PlayStation 3 may not have been the strongest generation for Sony, but there were still some diamonds in the rough that deserve a revisit as PS5 remasters.

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OtterX813d ago (Edited 813d ago )

Even if they could just remaster and put on PSVR2, some would still look great as VR titles and could do a whole lot to bolster the headset w these exclusives! I'd imagine the investment of reworking these titles into VR would be way less than building new games from the ground up, and they could be amazing experiences, and VR often makes flat games feel fresh again. The Resistance and Killzone games are particularly what I want to see!!

Rude-ro813d ago

I played killzone 3 in 3d and it really changed the game per being immersive.
In vr, that would be even more awesome.

darthv72813d ago

Funny you mention that... my son wanted to play some PS3 games in 3d on my PS tv and he was blown away by how good KZ3 was. It really was a great addition to the game. Im surprised there have not been more 3d games from that era being ported to the PSVR/VR2.

_SilverHawk_813d ago

resistance 1-3, killzone 1-3, uncharted 1-3, uncharted golden abyss, folklore, socom 4 , motorstorm, twisted metal, MAG, heavenly sword

Cacabunga813d ago

Killzone 2+3
Sly Thieves in Time
Crack in Time
God of War Ascension
Motorstorm
Modnation racer
Infamous 1+2

Profchaos813d ago (Edited 813d ago )

Killzone trilogy in VR would be amazing bonus points if they offer shadow fall.

There was a psvr1 Killzone project that supermassive was working on at one stage which wasn't up to scratch and Sony brand it back in house I was hoping we would see that on psvr2 eventually.

Personally I'd love to see some more love or acknowledgement of psvr2 from Sony in general it was a expensive headset and Sony barely acknowledge it's existence

seanpitt23813d ago

The amount of work needed to remaster these games wouldn't be beneficial on a financial and business sense.. MGS4 would probably be the best bet as it would need the least amount of work!

Iceball2000813d ago

YEAAASSSSS! I miss this franchise and wanna play it so bad again.

Father__Merrin813d ago

The time is perfect for a resistance fall of man game campaign coop multiplayer

InUrFoxHole813d ago

The resistance series is str8 trash to me. Socom 3 I would welcome. Or killzone MP.

Marcus Fenix813d ago

A Resistance reboot will be awesome

Michiel1989813d ago

That's what Bungie should make, Ill keep saying it until it happens

1Victor813d ago (Edited 813d ago )

Resistance was ok but Warhawk and Starhawk was better and kept me coming back for almost a decade of fun and petty revenge on the loud mouth unskilled players 🤣
Edit I loved capture the flag dropping the pot on the flag carrier was extremely satisfying as well as transforming your plane in bot form and stumping them to death 😱

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Michiel1989813d ago

Resistance was the best co-op fps I ever played after L4D2

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One Last Smoke - The significance of Snake's cigarettes in Metal Gear Solid 4

An article looking at the symbolic meaning behind the cigarettes in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

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