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Xbox Series S: Is Its Lower Specifications Harming 9th Generation Console Development?

The Xbox Series S, formerly known as Lockhart, has faced several concerns and criticisms from developers and industry experts since its development.

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darkrider1148d ago

Not really. It's barely stronger then the upgrades of last gen, in some important, points like ram and bandwidth, it's worse... But of course it's not. 3rd party studios just need to waste resources tryng to make it run with 3 or 4 times less gpu power, half the ram, much, much less Bandwith. It's next Gen only on the marketing and publicity.

ZycoFox1148d ago

The next Switch will likely have the same issues as the Series S, but it will have maybe more modern chips so somewhat better in certain areas possibly. But the difference with Nintendo is that they need a lot of strong first party support.. So it likely won't matter as much (for Nintendo) as long as they push out stuff with no droughts, third party stuff on either Series S or the next Switch will not run as good as they do on PC or PS5/Series X.. That pretty much goes without saying though.

You can only do so much with given hardware, it's like having a 5-6 year old PC with mid/low end hardware, and then trying to run a newer moderately demanding game and wondering why it runs like crap, when it should be obvious why.

Eonjay1147d ago

Xbox Series S will not hold back the generation as long as developers have enough respect to leave it out if it's gonna gimp the experience like BG3.

Babadook71147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

@darkrider
Your first sentence seems confusing.

Title "Is Its Lower Specifications Harming 9th Generation Console Development?"
You "Not really."

Then the rest of your comment seems to detail how it IS harming the 9th gen.

darkrider1147d ago

I was joking, but English is not my first language, so I messed up

dantesparda1147d ago

"Xbox Series S: Is Its Lower Specifications Harming 9th Generation Console Development?"

Of course it is, and anyone who doesn't think so is either a fool or an fanboy idiot.

IanTH1147d ago

It's really not an issue with your English - which, for a second language, is pretty good from what I've seen - it's just the loss of tone from being online. I was a little confused too, at first. But by the time I got to "but of course it's not", I could tell you were layering on the sarcasm. I mean, the last 2 sentences made that pretty dang clear, so not sure how so many people missed it honestly lol.

kingnick1147d ago

It is a lot easier to scale games for GPU and memory constraints to an extent vs CPU where you have to have a certain level of performance to synchronise all the other hardware and the game engine.

The lastgen consoles was crippled by weak single core CPU performance, it's really amazing what the platform holders and developers were able to wring out of those systems with PSGL, later Direct X versions and other APIs.

People like to throw around the word lazy but developers are often under a lot of pressure especially when they're developing for many platforms. For example Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty was developed for 8 platforms and you can see the developers made sacrifices to get the game running on so many platforms.

Increasingly we're seeing games were the performance delta between PS5 and XSX is greater then what should be the case considering the actual hardware specifications.

This whole debate reminds me of PS3 fanbois back in the day claiming the Xbox 360 was holding the PS3 back when in reality it was the PS3 itself and Sony's APIs.

n1kki61147d ago

You are spitting facts that will go over most fan boys heads.

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XiNatsuDragnel1148d ago

Imo yes they're hampering the potential of these 9th generation consoles.

Obscure_Observer1148d ago (Edited 1148d ago )

"Imo yes they're hampering the potential of these 9th generation consoles."

How? I look at PS5 only exclusive games like Forspoken and FFXVI and it visuals can´t hold a candle to Xbox Series Consoles exclusives like Starfield, Hellblade II, Forza Motorsport and S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2.

So how exactly Series S is holding the generation back if PS5 only games (so far) can´t match the visual quality of upcoming Series consoles exclusive games?

I´m expecting to be blown away by Spiderman 2´s visuals, but I won´t hold my breath since it will be powered by Insomniac´s old PS4 engine.

I wonder what excuses will be made if Fable turn out to be visually superior in comparison to Horizon.

Nyxus1148d ago

Are you joking? Both Forspoken and FFXVI look far better than Starfield. Starfield looks last gen tbh (doesn't mean it can't be a good game).

Rockstar1148d ago

Lol, now I know you're trolling...

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NecrumOddBoy1148d ago

I am impressed by your unwavering allegiance to your console of choice but let’s not pretend or live in silly fantasyland.

neutralgamer19921148d ago

Obscure_Observer

Again you are listing games not released and then using if fable turns out. Facts are facts Ms should have made series S the same specs as series X just without disk drive

Bro seriously you need to be more like a gamer and less like a cult member. You are always defending Xbox even when they deserve criticism. You are making us legit Xbox fans look bad with cult comments like yours

We all want amazing gaming experiences and when any company deserves our criticism they should get it from their consumers so they can improve

The only difference between digital and disk versions should be a disk drive. Everything else should be the same. This way developers can focus on making the games without having to worry about parity

S2Killinit1148d ago

Lol What a disingenuous comment.

Obscure_Observer1148d ago (Edited 1148d ago )

@Nyxus

"Are you joking? Both Forspoken and FFXVI look far better than Starfield. Starfield looks last gen tbh (doesn't mean it can't be a good game)."

No. I´m not. Both Forspoken and FFXVI looks like old gen games to me with better resolution. There´s nothing that stands out! Gameplay, AI, physics, texture, shadows, light and effects like wind, smoke, lighting and particles and both games have wash out colors.

All will be clear when we get proper high-resolution footage on Starfield´s final build in June.

@Poopmeister

R&C and Demon Souls vs Hellblade II and S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2????

Lol! You´re blind!

kainslayer1148d ago

you only saw pc footage and cgi trailers from the alleged xbox exclusives you listed....stop being a fanboy.
Not everything is sonys fault.xbox has a lot to prove this round and people are thirsty for exclusives on the green side also it became a habit to trash the xbox i give you that .All i can say is bring on the games its about time.Both ps5 and xsx are pretty similar so dont expect to see something vastly different

andy851148d ago

So Demons Souls' Ratchet and Clank and Returnal don't match the visual quality of stuff like Starfield which looks like an Xbox One game? Get out of here 😂😂

Obscure_Observer1148d ago (Edited 1148d ago )

@neutralgamer1992

You´re anything but an Xbox fan. You have nothing "neutral" in you. You´re a PS fanboy trying to pass as someone else, but you are not.

So don´t waste both of our times trying to lecture on me, dude.

You´re butthurt as many PS fanboys here over Bethesda acquisition by Microsoft which you still couldn´t get over.

I said SO FAR PS5 doens´t have anything to match Forza Motorsport, S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2, Starfield and Hellblade II visuals and I stand by my opinion.

If you think old PS4 engines can match next gen engines, you´re delusional as a lot of PS cultists on the internet.

Sonic18811148d ago

@Nyxus

He's in denial lol. It's actually hilarious to read his comments 🤣

IamFrasierCrane1148d ago

Look at this guy lecturing people on graphics for games that haven’t released while simultaneously putting down the graphics of games he’s never played. Your YouTube graphics analysis is laughable…

Hypertension1401148d ago

@Observer
A new engine really helped, halo infinite
right....

Also can you explain why the last of us part 2 is still one of the most impressive game I've ever played, not even being a fanboy it's just that the gameplay if f**king incredible makes other games look outdated by comparison, and thet was made in the so called PS4 engine.

neutralgamer19921148d ago

Obscure_Observer

For someone who is a PS fanboy in your opinion doesn't even have a PS4/PS5 right now. I have a Xbox series X and signed for gamepads through next 34 months. And point stands in the past I may have made some comments but even then my point has always been less talking and more showing. I bought XSX because I love RPG's and Xbox seems better for future of RPG's

But than again I had PS5 in the past but right now I just want to enjoy the console I have. And my biggest point is simple:

The only difference between a digital only console and a regular console should be the disk drive. Specs should be 100% the same. Your comments are always emotions and opinions over facts. I bought XSX for starfield and backwards compatible

If you would like to play sometimes and want to add me as a friend on Xbox I can share my ID

repsahj1147d ago

LOL stalker 2 looks old gen compared to atomic heart.

generic-user-name1147d ago

"can´t hold a candle to Xbox Series Consoles exclusives like Starfield"

Everyone is asleep in my house, please don't make me laugh this hard late at night again.

DarXyde1147d ago

Nyxus,

At this point, it's blatant trolling.

Same guy calling Starfield GOTY says visuals gameplay, AI, physics, etc of Final Fantasy and Firespoken look dated?

Shut up. Deeply unserious, height of delusion, vapid, unsubstantiated claim lacking any kind of objectivity or introspection.

Ignore.

edeprez1147d ago

Dumbest thing I've heard in weeks! Thanks for the laugh mate!

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Obscure_Observer1147d ago

@Poopmeister

"But i know they arent your favourite group at the moment."

You don´t know sh!t about me. At least of course, assuming you are not another banned clown with a new account just like Sonic1881 a.k.a CaptainHenry916.

Here´s some DF analysis on Starfield´s *OLD BUILD* for you and @Nyxus:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

How do you like it? Let´s see how you appreciate and respect DF game analysis and opinions when things don´t go your "way".

XiNatsuDragnel1147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

@Observer

You're embarrassing yourself man please stop *Offtopic* my dragon dad will tell you took an L.

IanTH1147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

You chose the best options from Xbox, and then one of the worst with Forspoken for PS5. You don't think that's being incredibly disingenuous? And do you think those games you mentioned will look just as good, with no compromises, on the S as the X?

kingnick1147d ago

If the S didn't exist the crutch would be the X is somehow gimping the PS5, it's always been that way with fanbois. They refuse to accept there are other factors at play and developers are very much human and often their work varies between platforms and not all platforms are treated equally or optimised for to the same extent especially the platforms they expect to sell less on.

Games1st1147d ago

Why are you so concerned about graphics that will be downgraded to fit series s.

Sarcasm1147d ago

I don't know how these people in the same breath goes "Xbox Series X is more powerful than PS5" while saying "Xbox Series S doesn't hold back the generation" when it's literally a gimped Series X

The Wood1147d ago

I've finally worked it out. Observer is a plant to drive traffic. You can't be on permanent defensive more for free.

Anyone with half a brain cell could predict this issue would become more prevalent as the gen ages. Scaling isnt the answer fellas.

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andy851148d ago (Edited 1148d ago )

@hypertension you're right. TLOU2 is still the best looking game I've ever played and its on PS4. Shouldn't all Series X games be blowing it out of the water if that was the case. But not a single one does.

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Charlieboy3331147d ago

They don't even blow Uncharted 4 from 2016 out of the water

DashMad1147d ago

Not really majority pc setup is lower or barely stronger than series S like it or not with or without series S AAA multiplat won't yet abandon GTX 1650 user(currently the biggest hardware on steam) out there.

Charlieboy3331147d ago

@ Obscure

"You´re butthurt as many PS fanboys here over Bethesda acquisition by Microsoft which you still couldn´t get over."

Trust me we aren't butthurt and we have long gotten over the Bethesda aquisition. If the Activision Blizzard aquisition goes through we will get over that too. Why? Because Sony provides more games of higher quality to us than both of those combined. Plus VR.

"I said SO FAR PS5 doens´t have anything to match Forza Motorsport, S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2, Starfield and Hellblade II visuals and I stand by my opinion."

There are plenty that crap over anything on Xbox and I stand by my opinion.

"If you think old PS4 engines can match next gen engines, you´re delusional as a lot of PS cultists on the internet".

Sony first party designed their engines on PS4 with PS5 in mind already. Also Epic designed Unreal Engine 5 ( which is next gen you know ) with input from Sony regarding the PS5 design for optimisation. So you clearly just don't know what you are talking about and just looking to argue.

Obscure_Observer1147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

@Charlieboy333

"Trust me we aren't butthurt and we have long gotten over the Bethesda aquisition."

No. You had not. If Sony is this good as you´re pretending to be, then why bother with Xbox games? Just look at Starfield´s date announcement topic from yesterday filled with jealous PS fanboys. It only will get worse come July 11 when we´ll have to deal with you crybabies yet again.

"Sony first party designed their engines on PS4 with PS5 in mind already."

Bring proof or stfu! I´m tired of hearing your bs lies. Just bring proof to back up your claims.

"Also Epic designed Unreal Engine 5 ( which is next gen you know ) with input from Sony regarding the PS5 design for optimisation."

Good luck with that. Xbox Games Studios has masters of Unreal technologies for decades!

https://n4g.com/news/247388...

"So you clearly just don't know what you are talking about and just looking to argue."

I brought you proof and all you´d provided is your uninformed rethorical bs! Again, bring proof or don´t bother and reply to my comments again.

Jared25001147d ago

@Obscure You need a snickers bro

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Stanjara1148d ago

Yes!
PS5 can abandon PS4... but X can't abandon S.

EvertonFC1148d ago

The difference being PS4 will get discontinued this year at some point, where as the series S won't for the rest of the gen.

Stanjara1148d ago

I don't think it will be discontinued just yet, remember ps4 is now a budget option... People still use PSN Store on it aka spending money.

But Sony can chose which games will be cross platform and which one to drop cause of hardware limitations and make ps5 only.

Series S is a budget option for MS, but they can't drop it. It would be false marketing and bad will.

Also, dropping S kinda brakes the whole Gamepass Idea...

Streaming? Ufff

DeadlyFire1147d ago

Nah PS4 will be alive until ps6 starts production. It's got a few more years left.

-Mika-1148d ago

No. Developers, these days are just lazy.

Chocoburger1146d ago

He can't. Calling developers lazy is one of the the most ignorant things you can do. Especially since the past 5 years has shined a light on the constant developer crunch that they go through just to get a broken game out the door for launch.

Devs work themselves non-stop, but hey, lets call them lazy, just because. 🥴

Christopher1148d ago (Edited 1148d ago )

Life is so easy when you can sit outside and just claim people are lazy. Development isn't just people sitting on their hands and getting a check. It's managing new goals/milestones, dealing with new choices made by management, and fixing issues that pop up because some core concepts got updated mid-way through development along with the score of bugs that happen and need fixing.

Let alone Larian is far from lazy and they have the receipts to prove their continued support of BG3 and devotion to the work.

Obscure_Observer1148d ago (Edited 1148d ago )

"Let alone Larian is far from lazy and they have the receipts to prove their continued support of BG3 and devotion to the work."

I don´t think Larian is lazy at all. But all controversy surrounding the S has nothing to do with "holding the generation back" by the simple fact that games nowadays has been developed using the most powerful hardware as foundation been later ported to the inferior ones a.k.a Xbox Series S just like in Baldurs Gate 3´s case

If the Series S is holding anything back, it´s itself.

crazyCoconuts1148d ago

Making broad generalizations against an entire profession is lazy...

Tacoboto1148d ago

If any developer is to be called lazy, look at the platform holder first. My company is building a new application in Microsoft's newish .NET MAUI framework and after working in it for the last 3-4 months almost daily, I cannot believe how completely and utterly unstable it is.

[.NET MAUI is their multiplatform application UI framework that succeeds (and is built off) Xamarin. Build once, target Windows/iOS/Android with a shared codebase.]

I would hope that the Xbox dev tools are clean and polished by now (which they reportedly weren't at launch in 2020), because if they are anything even close to how awful MAUI is, THAT will hold back Xbox much more than the Series S just being weaker.

As for Xbox Series S holding back the entire generation - it's not, and it won't. Baldur's Gate 3 being announced for PS5 without an exclusivity agreement is our first true sign of that. It may hold Xbox back, though.

kingnick1147d ago

The last couple of years have been a mess due to COVID and manufacturing constraints. Developers and publishers have also seen a lot of turnover in staff as COVID has made people reaccess their life choices.

The games industry has become so corporate that greed is ruining the experience of playing games on release as games are put out without sufficient polish which is a clearly sign of corners cut due to time constraints and games are being designed around making money with offering a good experience to gamers a secondary objective if it is an objective at all.

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darthv721148d ago

I have both the S and the X and can say that if there are games being held back, I'm not seeing them. Even the situation with BG3 has more to do with split screen than anything else. The base game is said to run just fine on the S.

If MS were forcing parity between platforms, we'd see more games with RT on both or less games in general because RT won't run right on the S, and the X would have to suffer as well. That just isn't happening. If the system lacks the oomph to run a certain feature, they turn that feature off. BG3 can still do online co-op if it can't do split screen co-op.

It's literally like looking at the old box specs for PC games with minimum and recommended. Its the same game, same code... they just run it at different performance levels.

__SteakDeck__1148d ago

You may not be seeing them. But professionals that do this for a living like Digital Foundry are.

KeeseToast1148d ago

Digital Foundry has been pretty fond of the Series S so far

darkrider1148d ago

The strong point of consoles was always having just one spec machine each generation. Studios could max out the consoles. With Microsoft it's impossible. It's holding back and game after game we are watching that. There no spin possible. The talk scaling it's just talk.

Lightning771148d ago

They are the professionals and they never reported a single lacking console holding back anything besides the X with Baldurs Gate.

I wanna see articles and videos of the S holding back PS5 specifically? Can anyone do that?

I thought so. I only care about facts. No facts don't talk. The S is. Weak little machine but it's not hurting PS5 in any scenario at all.

I'm not saying this to you directly @Steak but everyone in general saying making false claims like they always do around here.

generic-user-name1147d ago

@Lightning

To provide proof we'd have to travel to an alternate universe where the S doesn't exist, just the X, and grab captures of your current games being better. We must go by what devs are saying. We are leaving the early stages of this gen now, cross gen is falling away. Who is to say Baldur's Gate is not the start of a trend?

Lightning771147d ago

"Who is to say Baldur's Gate is not the start of a trend?"

Then MS has a big issue on their hands when it comes to 3rd party for S and X only.

Wouldn't be surprised if the X isn't performing the way it is because of the S this whole time.

Just like I said.

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dumahim1148d ago

"If MS were forcing parity between platforms, we'd see more games with RT on both or less games in general because RT won't run right on the S, and the X would have to suffer as well. "

It's apple and oranges. Split-screen is a gameplay feature while RT is a graphical one. They're not enforcing parity for graphical features for obvious reasons.

Elda1148d ago

The differences alone are resolutions when it comes to AAA games, the very reason I traded my S for an X. I know I bought a nice 4k hdr tv to see displays in 4k or close to 4k with the exception of local & cable tv programing which are still in resolutions 480p up to 1080i.

darthv721148d ago

I did that too. Got the X to use on a 4k screen but then I got into performance mode more than resolution mode. I do the same with the PS5. I just cant give up that 60fps.

As for the SS, even on a little 1080p travel screen it looks pretty damn good. That's why i keep it around.

Sonic18811147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

You're I'm denial too. Xbox series S is holding back this generation and should have never been created

Obscure_Observer1147d ago

"If MS were forcing parity between platforms, we'd see more games with RT on both or less games in general because RT won't run right on the S"

MS has no parity demands for both first and third party studios on such things like texture quality, general effects, resolution or even framerates. The only demand is regarding the game and its modes. If there´s co-op for the Series X, co-op will be mandatory for the Series S

kingnick1147d ago

His comment makes little sense when you consider the PS5 and X are very limited when it comes to raytracing performance. Developers choose not to use raytracing because they deem it to expensive and wouldn't add enough to their game to justify the performance hit.

Eonjay1146d ago

This is correct. Tech requirements are lax but gameplay requirements are pretty firm.

kingnick1147d ago

Game engine aren't scalable, that's why every game in the past that released on consoles and PC was somehow destroyed because the game had to run on weaker console or PCs. /end sarcasm

If anything the PS4 will continue to be a factor gimping the PS5 as the cost of the PS5 doesn't fall over time like prior PS consoles and developers continue to develop for the PS4.

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