i think in presentation but if you really take a closer look, not really..

does it really matter at this point?

are u people insane

killzone 2 does not look as good as the 2005 cgi

http://uk.youtube.com/watch...

lol@the ppl who will say yes

Mostly, yes. There's one or two things, but it's pretty damn close. Closer than anything else has come to CGI quality.

In some aspects no but in many other parts it has.

In my honest opinion, no, it doesn't. But I shall be damned if it does not come really really close. No other FPS game can top the visuals of this Playstation 3 exclusive. Not now at least. Enjoy it PS3 owners, this is one game you guys should be proud to have on your system.

I'm not a really good judge on graphics comparisons, so I can't really say. I can say that Guerrilla has impressed me either way.

Yes, i truelly think it does

there was a comparison video not long ago, E3 trailer against the BETA, yeah the BETA and the BETA had better sharper visuals and much much deeper colours

I some respects yes and in others no, but the fact that it is even remotely close is a testament to the excellent work of Guerrilla Games. To think we are getting this close to cgi in only the early stages of the PS3’s third year is amazing. I know most people are all about textures, but to me I think the animations in K2 are the most impressive thing (and I also really like the art direction as well).

Very impressed how close they've gotten. Can't wait for February!

think the bots are ready to start waving the white flag LOL

Some of it looks better, but other parts not so much. Looks pretty damn impressive either way, and if the beta was any indication, it's gonna be really fun too.

Has it surpassed, well in some cases yes, in some cases no.
The fire is better in the current build. The effects are way beyond anything. The animation is great. The facial expression etc. all look great.
I think even if it didn't totally reached that cgi trailer frame by frame, it does shows how good the game looks as it came really really closer, closer then most people ever thought it would.
Apart from that people comparing a console game to a cgi video, thats an achievement in itself.

In some ways yes and in other ways no. Impressive nonetheless.

Its a tough call, but it sure as hell beats any other console game out there!

your right nathan i liked resistance 2 a lot by the way ill stop acting like a fanboy, it just feels good to know that killzone 2 is not the failure all xbox fans wanted it to be so badly

Cmon fanboys, it obviously hasn't surpassed that trailer. But, its came damn close, almost as if one of two more levels of polish could recreate that trailer. Guerilla Games has done an amazing job, and fanboy or not, you can't deny the beauty of this game.

Hell yes it is.

I looked at that so called E3 2005 footage again.

It sucked, the only thing nice about it was the details. Even those weren't too awesome.

Killzone 2 actually has some lighting now.

Only thing that is not as good is the character models (how they move) Imo it's a little stiffer, but it certainly surpassed it.

Edit:

Fire is more detailed (when soldiers are on fire in the new code)

Facial features are much better in the 2005 footage.

The smoke is much better.

And explosions have more smoke. That's all I see so far.

I must say no and yes.

It seems the art direction changed somewhat. And the tone was darkened. I, however, really liked the facial animation and the fluid movements in "E305".

Did K2 completely surpass E305? My opinion, no. Did K2 surpass E305 in certain aspects? Absolutely. Will the PS3 make a game that will surpass E305 in the near future? Guaranteed.

But despite anyones opinion on this comparison. I have to add. It's something really special about a game when you can compare the graphic's quality to a CGI trailer. This game will be part of my library first day. Preferably in Special/Limited Edition form. :)

Aparently the games delivers...

Yeah! Its the Official Playstation Magazine, but they gave Warkawk a 6/10, They gave Uncharted an 8/10, Lair a 5/10 and Haze an 5/10. So for me theiy are not as biased as some people may think. For me Uncharted deserved at least a 9...

Ohh BTW Killzone 2 gets a perfect 5/5 (10/10 for the morons)

and so did SF4!!!!

KILLZONE 2 FTW!!
http://www.ps3forums.com/sh...

They have gotten so close that at this point it really doesnt matter.

I love it when we all get along.....(tear).

Doesnt matter, Killzone 2 is 2nd to crysis and we know which is on the pc.

Was it CGI at E3 2005? (that's not a sarcasm, it's just that i can't make the difference)

The colors are darker and the models look better. I don't think it was a CGI trailer at all. Over the years it has been proven.

The bots are in damage control after the 5 out of 5 from OPM.

Surpassed? No. I don't expect CGI quality games for a long time. But Killzone 2 is damn impressive, no doubt. It certainly is (or will be when it is released!) one of, if not the best looking games out there.

No. and I want EXACTLY 37 disagrees! Come on guys... j/k On a side note, yeah no I dunno about surpassed but is most certainly has impressed the hell out of me, it's close to say the least.

has surpassed the 2005 E3 trailer, but...
what about gameplay?

If gameplay is a success then he have a game that has hit one hell of a homer out of this large park.

i say its about 85-90% close, but the rocket and car etc are to fluid and rounded

Just look at these particle effects:
http://i38.tinypic.com/346p...

Ja ja ja ja ja Comparing KZ2 cgi vs KZ2 Game with PS3 Fans eyes... lol are you guys serious? Ja ja ja ja ja ja ja lol!!!!!!!! CGI looks like 50% better in everything. http://www.gametrailers.com... the game looks good but come on you went too far.

In a lot of ways, the actual game is better, but it hasn't surpassed the cgi trailer.

Not.Even.Close. This game looks too low budget for me. I'll be getting RE5 and I'll be renting this.

"Were there any pieces of music or sound design that you had to leave out?

Mario Lavin: In fact we used everything. The length of the game is around 11 hours. So for the pieces of work that didn’t fit in certain areas, they were put on the back burner and used at a later date. For instance, a nonessential character’s theme had been scored, but gave too much importance to that person. The piece didn’t fit, but was suitable for a dramatic scene further on in the story with the captain’s airship transport. It had been written by Joris six months prior, and was just one example where we recycled previously conceived bar sections."

the length of killzone is 11 hours.
thanks

But the real question is "does Killzone offer something new" and so far it has proven to be just another FPS with nice graphics and bland environments just like the first Killzone.

I think there's a graphic standard for this generation, but what I want to see is innovation or at least something new and intriguing from the FPS genre. Mirror's Edge had a good concept but poor execution just like Breakdown. Dice played it extremely safe and it shows. I'd like to see some real risk taken by developers and their publishers. I wish the majority of gamers felt the same way.

all expectations as far as graphics go, from gamers!... along with Heavy Rain!

This game IS doing good and bad for me though. Sure it'll be the 1st PS3 game to truely blow all console games out of the water. Sure KZ2 will set a new standard of expectations in the graphics department.

Problem is for me and other few fellow PS3 gamers I know, agree... this WILL by far raise the expectations of Sonys exclusives even higher... to match the same quality care of KZ2. There lyes the problem with the release of KZ2. Yes it will overshadow ANYTHING 360 can do, but Sony can't afford for KZ2 to be in a different playing field than its other exclusives. This kind of quality needs to be spred to other developers, so all the games can grow and mature together, to show consumers exactly why PS3 is the better buy than 360 on the GAME front (no blu-ray jibber jabber in here). Sony needs to prove ON THE GAME SIDE, now. Why the system costs more than 360. To show that the tech in the PS3 can produce games like KZ2/Heavy Rain is worth to pay more for the system. Problem is, it's going to take more than these 2 graphically amazing games... to truely prove it's worthy!. I already own my 60gig... but am not EASILY impressed by 2 titles alone. I WANT/NEED to see Sony pushing this kind of quality out of all their exclusives, especially when I can only rely on quality mainly only coming from their exclusives anyways!

A big no i would say guerilla achieved about 90% of what they showed in that trailer, but they have not achieved that level of detail and chaos

The game engine running Killzone 2 in other 1st party games too.maybe even to 3rd party devs making exclusives.this is war. .and Im glad I have both a 360 and PS3,that FINALLY we start seeing Sony bringing the big guns.I loved the Dreamcast,but dammit the PS2 had a game library one could just call Beautiful.I want the same for the PS3.

there is so much discussion about how good/not good it looks is really telling to how good a job GG did with the game visuals.

there are alot of little things here and there in the trailer that are better however there is alot in KZ2 the blows the trailer out of the water. the death animations and lighting are my 2 favorite parts of the graphics. i luv me the hit response and the lighting is really amazing and very dynamic

all that matters is they came close! really close and probably surpassed in some areas.

anyone who says the game doesn't look good is a fool.

happy gaming everyone!

u don't have to agree with me but its the best looking game ive ever seen on a console. Any xbox 360 or ps3 fanboy can agree.

But straight up u can't be bull sh*ting on yourself-ves because you know that 2005 trailer looks way better then the 2007 trailer.

That's all PS4 homie, i hope. Don't trip.

iUsedToLoveHer-Common Sense

WTF, why do you bring Crysis into this? we weren't comparing it at this time ffs.

A tried Halo 3, and to be honest the campaign and online were average, but I liked it because of all the user-generated content. That was it.

Killzone 2 atm is slighty, just ever so SLIGHTLY below the CGI trailer.

Which is nothing to be ashamed of believe me.

I honestly feel that in some ways the gameplay does surpass the 2005 trailer but not overall. The fact they've got so close in many areas(and easily beat it in both lighting and effects)is simply incredible and nobody at the time gave them a hope in hell of getting so close.
That we can compare the two at all speaks volumes about GG's efforts on the game. Looks amazing, and from the short go I had on the beta, plays amazingly well too. I can't wait to see the single player for myself and know that I'll lose lots of time to the multiplayer as well. It isn't just about innovation when you get something as polished and well balanced as this there's a big argument for just being the best you can be-the realism of the lighting and interactions blew me away and makes KZ2 feel really fresh to play.

So i heard you can use keyboard and mouse for this game on the killzone forum. Be cool if you can use Guncon3 with it.

OH GOD NO!!! fanboy glasses for the win!!!

are u guys like 13 or 14 or something??? geez

It has and I expect nothing less because it has been 3 and a half f*cking years!!!!

oh aye

comparing it to the 07 build, are u all morons?? it looks ten times better now in 09 than it did in 07... as for which is better i won't comment cause either way i'll get disagrees

the E3 2005 CGI trailer was a target render, which means that it is what they are aiming for in regards to the graphics. It may not be exactly the same as the rendering engine can change anytime to improve the game play. It came pretty close to the E3 2005 trailer, in my opinion. It surpassed it in some elements. Hopefully, they will tweaked it some more for an even more enjoyable SP campaign.

i think it does surpass it and in some areas no

Said "18 - The fact that
there is so much discussion about how good/not good it looks is really telling to how good a job GG did with the game visuals. "

You are very true. To the point that there is so much hype about it they've done a very good job at trying to match it you have to look very close to see the difference. GG have done very well haven't see a game yet with blood that looks that real.

The lighting was greatly improved on, but it didn't match it. It came pretty damn close though...

I would say that it looks better now than in the E3 05 trailer. But what the 05 trailer had was alot of things going on around that was really impressive. Lets just hope they have gotten that part in the final build.

You PS3 lovers are all going to say this is the best looking game man has ever seen, but you kids say that about every new PS3 game that launches.

In reality this game looks no better than MGS4, Bioshock, or COD4.
You guys are all delusional, even if im wrong the difference is not "leaps ahead of anything on 360" like I read one idiot say.

You PS3 people have just lost all credibility, it really is sad.

Go to gametrailers.com and do side by side of KZ2 and MGS4, or even COD4, not a huge difference here, wake up people.

Who else here was in the Multiplayer beta?

and this was a game that the haters porclaimed couldn't hope to come close to the 2005 trailer 'till PS4 if not the PS5 and yet, this is being done in the second year of the PS3.

Imagine years 5,6&7. It's going to be bloody for PS3 gaming, hold on to your butt cheeks.

I would hope any game 4 years in the making would surpass it's 2005 E3 trailer, even if the trailer was a complete fabrication.

cant wait till i can snipe all you fools!

http://i34.tinypic.com/mbts...

It should, with 3 years to get things right the game should surpass any ones expectations even those at MS.

It looks really really awsome. But no, it doesn´t look better than the 2005 E3 trailer.

This must be the third or fourth article about this...

Just play the game once it is released, who cares about an almost four year old trailer? Sure, Guerilla built some hype with it, but the game will hold up perfectly to that I am sure.

i dont think it does but thats my opinion. but still a great looking game.

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Comparing a CGI video to actual gameplay goes to show just how far videogames have come along, also the whole CGI trailer controversy has really benefited the game, it gave it tons of coverage, so releasing it was a stroke of genius from Sony.

The poly count and overall fluidity of the movement? No.

Particle effects, lighting, textures and overall feel? Hell yes.

cant wait to get this game.

Does the game look impressive: Yes
Does the game look better than anything else currently: Yes
Does it surpass the CGI trailer: NO

Why are we repeating the same mistake when we hype bouncer for PS2 as pinnacle of graphic (CGI) quality, when it turns out that it is not. But doesn't really matter when it is not CGI quality? I don't see PS2 dominating the game industry because of its graphics.

Sony really does need another mainline shooter franchise. They pretty much gave up after the PS3 generation, and I'm really surprised they haven't tried at another high-profile, singleplayer-centric shooter; even if it weren't Killzone or Resistance.

I miss Killzone while I can see why they still do Horizon has some really good things but I do think that Horizon is overrated imo.

Or how about studios focus on projects that they feel passionate about, and not be forced to make something they have little interest in. It shows in the final product.

It’s still got potential for the modern era. The DNA is all there. The install base is there. The interest is there. The time is now.

Killzone 2 and 3 were farkin brilliant and way better than halo

Too bad they've abandoned em smh, then theres sony barely even acknowledging what us fans want. Every time they sale a certain high amount it get like that with them smh

Because Killzone games are awesome, that's the reason.

New ip after 3'rd horizon please 🙏

Give it to Bungie. The Helghast are awesome enemies and Bungie could make something really cool

not enough interest to keep it alive

I’m beating a dead horse here… but Resisitance FOM gun lay out was so fun, multiplayer was one of my top favorite experiences. Insomniac nailed it and I would love a remaster and maybe a redo with Reisistance 2. They listens to players who were wanting a Halo killer and it kind of lost its character from the first.

Warhawk, if they had just remade the first one not Starhawk which offered nice things like the build and battle.. but Warhawk was the best arcade shooter I ever played. Back when you didn’t have battle passes and you actually had to get certain amount of kills or ribbons to unlock different paint skins on the Warhawks and armor for your player.. Look at the success of Helldivers 2, it’s a fun game and it reminds me of Warhawk in a way. I’ve been wanting a remake or sequel since the beginning of the ps4 gen.. it’s hurts to have hope nowadays. Even with the demise of the studios Sony has a steady fan base.

Killzone game after Killzone 2 play style would be nice

Motorstorm would be epic with the visual upgrade, maybe this game would be a harder sell with the genre being not as popular nowadays..

Resistance franchise, Motorstorm and Dirt 2 which was fun as heck. Add Dead Space 2 as well.

I quickly looked and only saw the words PS5 Remaster and a picture of Fall of Mans logo

Ahhhh shit, well maybe one day

Resistance 1-3 remastered with online

Kill zone 1-3 remastered with online

God of war PS3 games and PSP games collection

Infamous 1-2 with all dlc please we need this. It’s such an underrated franchise and so much potential. In this age of super hero media craze Sony should utilize infamous

White knight chronicles 1-2

Warhawk and starhawk

Motorstorm series

MGS4

Easy money would be to remake Resistance and Killzone series, rather than just a remaster. And PS5 desperately needs some couch co-op shooters so this would scratch that itch.

Infamous 1+2 and KZ 2+3

Deus Ex Human Revolution

GTA IV needs one.
Still stuck on PS3 and 360.

PS3 ended up been a beast of a console, slow out of the gate, picked up steam, smashed through the finish line. The 1st PS3 slim is still one of my favourite consoles. So solid, great games, by the time GTA5 and the last of us had come out it was a clear winner for me

Nice to see that they included Pupetteer in this list.

"PS3 may not have been the strongest generation"

Meanwhile...just looking at exclusives alone and not even third party titles

Uncharted was born
Demon's Souls was born
Metal Gear Solid 4
God of War 3
The Last of Us was born
Little Big Planet was born
Warhawk
Killzone 2 and 3
Infamous was born
Resistance was born
Motorstorm was born
Gran Turismo
Heavy Rain
Journey
Shadow of the Colossus returned paving the way for the remake in the PS4 generation
PS Plus was born

Sorry bud, but the PS3 generation was amazing and featured the greatest console comeback in history.

That said, I'd love it if Warhawk returned or Metal Gear Solid 4. It needs to not be shackled to the PS3 generation anymore. A Killzone 2 remake would be insane with modern graphics and that art direction.

I really miss this gen of gaming. It felt like the last truly "great" era for videogames before the modern approach really took hold.

The PS3 was such a glorious console. The UI, the games, the free online...just incredible.

Add Mag to that list.

I would pay good money for a Warhawk remake. Socom too. The last Socom game just didn’t do it justice. Folklore could use a remaster or remake as well.
Several other titles I would like to remade with the amount of visual fidelity the current gen has over the past consoles it could help articulate the games that we’ve loved growing up. I would love even some ps2 titles to remade.. Dark Cloud from ps2, Legacy of Kain series but don’t know what will come of it sense it was bought by Embracer group and all there layoffs.

This strategy is exactly what helped ruin Xbox. Sony more than Microsoft know when to let a franchise go and that is important to keep things fresh. The old games are there if you want to play them.

Resistance series and Killzone 2 & 3 remasters/remakes. Make it happen. They will print money.

FF13 is top of this list for me. No matter your opinion on it, it being the only numbered offline FF out of all 16 not to be on new consoles is odd. GTA IV would be great too

The only reason my PS3 is still connected is because of the Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm games that I still love to play. I am for remaking or remastering them.

Would absolutely love a remastered collection of the resistance games

Resistance 1-3 and Killzone 1-3 too. Folklore and 3 Dot Heroes are underrated gems.

Why remaster games that ps5 players can't access when you can remaster a 4 year old game like tlou2 that was already patched with ps5 improvements

Would love a remake of the first Resistance game and also Tools of Destruction.

A gem of a gen, imo! So much IP to pluck.

Infamous 1&2 will sadly always be ignored by Sony, not even a ps4 remaster the whole gen, smh but uncharted, horizon, even days gone had next gen upgrades sheesh 🤦🏽 mane even tho Sony is still doing pretty good in the console business they are a lil big headed lol, I never played the resistance series but it would of been dope to see those games updated as well, we fans get lil surprises here n there but things we really are into having and being vocal about gets passed over like a mf 🤣😩

Remasters are a waste of time and developer resources. Real Devs make new games.

God I would live a Killzone or Resistance collection. Really hoping for a new one in either franchise down the line, loved both series.

I’d say new sequels instead.

Got be resistance /prototype as well

How much prefer the killzone universe to that of Horizon's.