@Apocalypse

"So has Sony. But Sony's data breach possibly exposing gamer information was the talk of the town. Sony also gave away like 5 games for taking PSN offline"

This is nowhere near what happened with Sony. The most someone can do here is brick your console.

Sony on the other hand leaked the private information of 77 million people, took their network down for nearly a month, and were found to be storing personal information unencrypted.

There was no 'possibly exposing gamer information' about it, it was confirmed by Sony themselves.

Why was it the talk of the town, and still used as an example today? Because it's the biggest intrusion/hack we've seen in the games industry to date - and the details were shocking, a huge company like that storing all that info unencrypted etc.

As for the 5 games (which btw, were cheaper/older games), do you really think 5 games is suitable compensation for having your personal information, including credit card data, exposed? No. And the courts didn't either - that's why they ended up paying out FAR more than the cost of 5 games.

Orchard sony didn't leak anthing, they were hacked, also sony said that as far as they were aware card info wasn't actually taken, although they said it was a possibility....do you know a single person who's card got hit after the hack?
It was bad, and they needed to sort it, but let's not make things up eh?
As for your claim that they paid far more because of the courts.. the free games and ps plus were the compensation, 15 millions worth to be exact, that was the settlement....

@Iretro Your information is incorrect.

1. Sony themselves confirmed the information was taken. Doesn’t matter what personal information, personal info is personal. They confirmed this in writing to Congress ( https://www.flickr.com/phot... )

2. Sony did leak it - maybe not directly - but they are 100% responsible for having low security and not encrypting data.

3. They were made to pay a lot more in court beyond the free games. They were fined in a lot of countries, and in the US had to provide $1m insurance, credit monitoring, fraud detection etc for every customer. Total cost ended up being near $200m. The free games were their (ultimately futile) attempt to see off any lawsuits.

4. It doesn’t matter if your credit card was hit or not. When you provide information to a company, name address dob etc you expect it to be stored securely and encrypted, Sony were operating like a college project and had no encryption. Unacceptable for a company of their size.

No point in trying to reinvent history - it’s all there in black and white, and all cases and investigations closed.

Again a hack is not a leak stop being so disingenuous, they gave out 15 million in games and ps plus because of the lawsuit.... which was actually only open to us residents..

Again I said it was bad and they needed to sort it out, you made a claim that credit card info was stolen, yet that wasn't the case.
Info was encrypted, just not all, Again, something they had to fix....

You said they paid out far more, but I think you are confusing their overall loss in revenue with what they actually paid out.

Yes it is all there in black and white, which is how I know you are being disingenuous.

@IRetro Hack or leak is arguing semantics. Information was leaked via the hack. Information that Sony were responsible for and should have been encrypting. It's that simple.

As for credit cards, You're just repeating Sony corporate PR - Sony said that while there were reports, they couldn't specifically tie it back to this incident - but that's true for all online credit card fraud, you can never systematically prove where the card details came from.

But the real, lived experience of PS customers says otherwise:
https://www.abc.net.au/news...
https://www.pcworld.com/art...

Card details were up for sale, & some customers were even hit who'd only used their CC on Sony services. Could it be coincidence? Maybe. But outside of that timeline, I've never once experienced credit card fraud in my life (and I'm no spring chicken).

Sony also later conceded that it was possible that they decrypted the card data while in their systems.

"You said they paid out far more, but I think you are confusing their overall loss in revenue with what they actually paid out."

Nope. They were hit in a bunch of countries with fines. The UK even fined them hundreds of thousands of Pounds.

Not sure why you're trying to re-invent history. This was the worst hack in the history of gaming, far worse than anything that will come of this Nintendo HW based exploit, and the PSN hack will likely hold that title for as long as you and I are alive.

1, a hack and leak are two very different things, your being disingenuous and you know it, its that simple.

2, you admit that there's no proof of these customer claims, yet you want to blame Sony anyway.... yet I'm the pr guy?

3, 24 customers out of 77 million? With supposedly 2.2 million peoples card info stolen(a claim never proven) why so little fraud?

4, again a claim that was never proven....

5, I thought you said they didn't encrypt anything?

6, far more than they paid out in free games....15 million is smaller than 250000? That's some maths mate.

7, I'm not reinventing anything, what I've stated is true, it just doesn't line up with your sony is bad view on things and you don't like it, I never mentioned nintendo, or said that the hack wasn't bad, it's by far the biggest fuck up sony has been involved in.