You're saying the 360 selling 13 million in it's first 2 years is fantastic but the PS3 selling 17 million in it's first 2 years is terrible because all the PS2 owners were supposed to rush out and buy a PS3. Riiiiight. And Nintendo's not successful with the Wii because why again? Because of the console's longevity? Yeah, I'm sure that keeps Nintendo execs awake at night after a hard day of rolling around in huge piles of money. "Oh, but what if the Wii doesn't have staying power? What ever will we....Ah I can't even finish that statement! MONEY FIGHT!"

Here's the thing that many people seem to miss. The PS2 isn't dead. In fact, it's still selling strong and Sony is actively pushing it into new markets. PS2 games still routinely show up in the top 10 worldwide. Sony hasn't lost it's market share. It's still growing it.

At any rate. 360 selling 13 million in 2 years is great, PS3 selling 17 million in two years terrible? Yeah, you're a hypocrite. Look it up.

The Wii's technology is not 8 years old, I hope you're not one of the ones who thinks it's a Gamecube with a pretty new case, because, no, it's not anything like a PS3 or 360, but it's also a fair bit away from the the original Gamecube and xbox....you want to bash on it's graphics, look to the developers and the proponents of all that shovelware, not the tech. The tech is closer to a Gamecube 1.5, but I get your point, sort of...

Regarding how much each system costs, certain things should be taken into consideration.

I purchased the refurbished version of the 360 at $249.99. Seemed like a good price considering I paid $399.99 for my PS3. Right?

Well, the 360's price really depends on what you need. For instance, my bedroom, where I play games, has no line for my DSL. Everything in my room is connected wirelessly. I had to go buy a wireless adapter for my 360, bumping the price another 90 bucks, which felt like a real rip off considering the PS3 has one built into it. I then had to go out and purchase a battery charger because I didn't feel like going out and buying batteries every 2 weeks (another 30 bucks), and again, the PS3 controller plugs directly into the system and charges with a USB cord that CAME WITH THE SYSTEM.

So, I ended up paying about $370 for my 360, and $399 for my PS3. Shall we even mention the $200+ Blu Ray player the PS3 has in it, included in the price? Or the fact that the PSN is not only free, but has a web browser?

"I think the only thing that truly matters to consumers now is price and what you get."

If that's true, by my experience, you are certainly getting more bang for your buck with the PS3.

I'm sorry. Gamespot can give game of the year to MGS4 and it still doesn't make up for the last 2 years of shoddy reporting, reviews and blatant pro-MS bias in everything they do. Maybe it's because their parent company has a partnership with MS, maybe they're just 360 freaks, who knows, but it doesn't excuse them. Have a look at their news right now.
There's an article about the Home Beta. Gamespot points out the "lingering issues", uses negative phrasing like people being "evicted" from home and makes it sound like Sony says the problem is only temporary, but they could be lying.

Following that there's an article about Fable II's DLC being delayed. They instantly start crowing about Fable II's sales, they mention a sweepstake and prizes, talk about how MS has apologized.

At first I used to think it was just all in my head, but it's every single time they report something. Just look at their word choice for articles pertaining to Sony, or the negative examples they use to flesh out their stories. It's quite obvious once you're conscious of it.

Anyway, there are many balanced and informative games sites out there. Gamespot isn't one of them. Hasn't been for quite some time.

well nothing changes, you people call biased every web site that dare to post bad news about PS3: GP, CNN, YAHOO, NYTIMES, 1UP, IGN, KOTAKU, WP, etc, etc

No, I call biased EVERY WEBSITE because PEOPLE ARE INHERENTLY BIASED. It's stupid cases of playing favorites. I don't care if they are slamming LBP or Fable 2, it's stupid, and it's not news, its a bunch of stupid uneducated and unethical "writers" harping about why everything sucks as they collect a paycheck. And "gamers" eat it up. We're to blame for the state of the game media, and it needs to change.

haha Tato calling it!

Yup, thankfully one of the few unbiased sites like "PSXextreme" has set the record straight for the world. lol

"Grand Theft Auto IV was basically identical on both the PS3 and 360 (don't listen to the Xbots who say the PS3 version is inferior; we've seen and played both and it's not true)"

They use unprofessional language like "xbots" which is a dead giveaway this is a PS3fanboy we are dealing with.

The PS3 version of GTAIV is not even 720p, just one minor difference.

I saw the Gamespot versus of Prince of Persia and they said the 360 version looked better. That's not possible though.

Ubisoft Montreal ported it from the PS3 to the 360. The 360 version, while it looks almost as good, has a minuscule amount of screen tear and the textures aren't quite as sharp.

They lied, dude.

I'm surprised you showed your face on this article.

but most sites said the PS3 version looked better.

no console is perfect its the misinformation and blatant lies. it goes both ways there are plenty of sites that continuously bash the 360 when not necessary.
what does bother me is that these people on both sides dare too call themselves journalist:( that's a joke. i guess negative is the way to get hits these days.

because of people like Crab, and sadly, people like Crab are still here. Crabs, I thought science had a cure? Guess not. Be careful everyone....

The sad thing about Crab right now is that he's lately been only showing up if a person who's CLEARLY a 360 fanboy comes on here to troll a positive PS3 article (God forbid that EVER happens on N4G) and gets their ass handed to them by just about EVERYBODY, Crab comes along and rushes to the defense of the person that is getting owned (by those that usually own BOTH consoles, no less). He's never being objective, and instead wearing some tinfoil hat and combat boots every time he sees a troll get PWNED!

Also, if the site's name (remember that, somehow, XBox Kings articles are still allowed to be submitted here), focus of platform, the report button ("blogs are not news...unless it's praising the 360 and predicting the PS3's doom somehow"), or strawmen arguments are the only things they can really use against this claim (which, by the way, I fully agree with), then they are basically admitting defeat. We had, what, one anti-Ps3 article a day on average for about a month by anybody and everyone they could shop for that would SAY it, but they b!tch about ONE POSITIVE PS3 article.

C'MON!!

is all the articles I saw headlines for lately when I'd stop by for a few seconds, focus on ONE month of sales, and neglect the big picture. How can one debate about such miniscule information and ignore the big picture? One can't, that's why they're trolls and fanboys.

I miss the days where I had no idea a console war was going on and I was just playing games.

I need to return to those days.

It's not called news4flamers without reason. i only login from work (obviously i can't be playing the console then :p ) and on the laptop while doing all the other PC work at home. I stopped visiting the pending section altogether as its only full of flamebait anyways. Two years ago you could actually find interesting articles on N4G, nowadays its mostly flamebait and some very few interesting pieces in between...

Sad, but hey, thats how the advertising deal works, post the best flamebait and you get to be the best contributor = $250 free cash \o/

The cash prizes are yet another reason for the influx of crappy articles.

On a sidenote: i am stuck on the 3rd Nebula in Savage Moon >_< .. Somehow i am unable to find the right combo to stop them darn creeps from invading my mines. Additionally imho the damage to the towers is way to high, most times ony 2 hits is enough to completely kill a $100 worth tower :((( the flying bombers are the worst in that aspect, and the tunneling creeps, you just can't get enough damage while they move above the ground .. grrr, damn hard game

@ ultimolu

I am with you on that. Gaming makes me happy. As of now I'm done with the back and forth. I will only discuss the meat and potatoes of gaming.

that either

1)lack intelligence.or
2)are young which means they lack knowledge.

microsoft talks numbers.and pushed their fanbase to talk about numbers.QUICK NUMBERS.not sales over time,not value for your money.nintendo talks about sales gains year on year.and they are the leader.sony talks about sales gains year on year.they are considered in third but have 3 peices of hardware that sells.

microsoft,in second,talks about sales in comparison to the competition.especially sony.even if it's stupid numbers like how many messages were sent across XBL.no one cares about "HOW MANY' messages were sent.microsoft talks about attachment rates,talks about players on live,numbers,numbers,numbers.N O ONE CARES BUT THE 360 FANBASE.

"we have more games."-ever consider that a system launching first would have more games?

"we buy more games."-ever consider that more shooters are released on 360 than wii and ps3?and PC gamers don't have to buy expensive graphics cards?

"more players are on XBL."ever consider that wii has no real online?or that sony launched later?hmmmmm...a year later.

"we have more consoles sold."-ever consider that a higher quality system at a higher price will sell less than cheaply made products?

dvd-bluray
big mac-steak dinner
honda-ferrari

i could make a list of cheap products that sell faster than high end products.but 360 fans can't see that.i can say that things sell over time and not just one shot sales at launch weekend.but 360 fans don't see that.i could say that ps3 has quality,but 360 fans can't see that and wish to continue to send the 360 back for repair.

if one side is filled with foolishness,it would have to be the 360 fanbase and the 360 executives.360 fans speak of how sony used to be arrogant,but ignore the fact that microsoft is leading the way in arrogance.i could talk about the amount of FUD spread by the 360 fanbase towards ps3,but 360 fans will ignore it.there are no articles by wii player about 360 getting dusted.and barely any from ps3's base.

the FUD is microsoft and its fanbase.the lies,the number tracking,the reliance on metacritic for views on what's a good game,the ignoring of busted issues with 360 games for online and off,but nitpicking of ps3 games.if one side is pushing this crap....

WHO DO YOU THINK IT IS?

apocalypse................... ...........

You may earn yourself some casual promotions at Burger King doing stuff like that for your boss in the back seat of his Ford Focus, but I don't play for that team.

You seem like a totally lonely, infertile sack of sh!t and you know why? Because my initial comment wasn't directed towards anyone. Then you all of a sudden come in like some jobless, c*nt-less d!ckhead with this totally invected attitude.

Is the xbox 360 the only family you have? Do you cuddle up with it at night and you just can't stand the thought of someone disparaging it? Does someone talking bad about the xbox 360 piss you off just as much as that person calling your mother a dead, worthless whore? Is your life that f*cking shallow?

I seriously hope for your sake that you are no older than 30 years old, because judging by your childish demeanor and your juvenile responses (Let me paraphrase your words here: PS3 sucks, and you like Nirvana, well...Nirvana sucks too. Kurt Cobain Sucks. Go suck his d!ck) your going to be living in the bottom sector of society for the rest of your life. Tell me where you live; I'll pay you 50 cents to wash my windshield!

Your mother would be proud!!!!

is that like your annual salary you're betting ... wow man !!!

You really got worked up there Nirvana creepy guy.

Here's a tissue....................oh I almost forgot........................ ...........your PS3 3rd place bronze medal LOLOLOL.
Take care homo.

This lonely 360-loving fanboy has been put in his place and all he can come up with is some half-baked, 4 line response to try to retain some dignity.

I officially accept my trophy for once again putting another one of you piss-poor lonely Microsoft ass-rapers in check. You idiots seriously couldn't last for a day independently on your own. I know you must be at least 25 years old, but having relatives support your dead weight is not considered as being independent. Your mother dying so early in your life was a F'n blessing to her; I bet she would still be cooking and cleaning up after your sorry a$$.

Is that you riding a little girls bike??? LOL! Don't hide your obvious flaming homosexually by calling me a homo, you obvious penis-breath. Enjoy the rest of your sad existence in that piss and sh!t-scented dungeon you call your uncle's basement.

@ Kill Crow

No, $2000 is not my annual salary. Why would someone take their entire fiscal earning and put it all up for wager??? God you immature N4G kids are F'n morons; No common sense at all (and obviously sh!tty attempts at trying to be funny). At least I earn a salary. Earning an allowance from mommy and daddy isn't considered as a salary.

Both of you are pretty entertaining.
Please keep it up because the open zone wouldn't be the same without the two of you.
I'm neutral in the console war and I own all three systems.
But in total honesty,I think the Sonyfanguy or whatever totally owned
the NegativeCreep427 poster in a big way.
You don't ever want to lose your cool when you're in a game of sh#t talking.
Showing anger only spells your defeat.
Sonyperson didn't lose his cool once.
Just the way I see it.
Sorry.

Yeah, I have NEVER seen an Xbox fanboy be a hypocrite. Oh wait, yes I have! Their constant spamming of Metacritic to rate a game's quality and defend their toy of choice, until the PS3 is proven to have the top scored games of the year. Then, surprise surprise, "but but but scores don't matter, only sales!"

ALL fanboys are stupid. And you're sounding like a petty child.

for every 1 person you who me who see's vg as a credible source ill show you 5 who dont no matter if vg themselves are making things sound great for the ps3. Some people just dont know vg's background. some are new to them. People who know, KNOW. They are not credible. Its so simple.

Another person who hasn't read my message, but let their Fanboy rage get the better of them.

I'm demonstrating how facts in an article matter but people who have already made their opinions lack the ability to read something and see what they want to see.... which means their minds are already made up making articles like this that are nothing more than OPINION read as if they are fact.

When a fact is presented, like the GTA example their already made up minds see fact as an attack on their favourite console meaning they go off on a tangent raving about my opinion. Once again I never gave an opinion, just the fact that technically speaking there is a huge difference in resolution between the two versions. Which you read as an opinion, it is fact.

Why don't you all actually read something before commenting and STOP letting your stuck in stone Fanboy opinions get the better of you.

You're assessment that once game is inferior to another based on screen resolution is just flat out incorrect. I can easily bump up screen resolution PC games but I'll usually have to sacrifice draw distance, framerate, texture detail, etc. A game that's running at a sligthly lower resolution but makes up for it in draw distance, framerate stability and less pop-in is vastly superior to a game that has an unnoticeable resolution advantage and slightly better AA but suffers from problems with the other.

You know exactly what you did. You presented one peice of evidence and tried to make the case that PS3 games were inferior and here's your example while ignoring other more important factors. You're cherry picking your "facts" so you might as not use any at all. Don't make it out like somehow I'm the fanboy. I didn't start the nitpicking, you did for the sole purpose to continue the spread of misinformation. I think this does a disservce to all gamers. There are plenty of people who haven't made the leap yet to this generation one way or another but how do you decide what's true and what's not with people continuing to spread garbage about this console or that.

@darkride66

One more time! I AM NOT STATING AN OPINION.

I am demonstrating that this article is nothing more than opinion. My example of resolution is a demonstration of FACT! that the PS3 version runs in a lower resolution is important. You see it as a game running in a slightly lower resolution, the developers see it as using the processing power used for those lines of resolution for other things. Like maybe post processing, like maybe sustaining a decent frame rate. Whatever opinionated spin you want to put on it, resolution does matter.

But, you might actually want to revisit my original posts and ACTUALLY READ THEM FIRST! Before you comment again and if you do you'll realise that you have missed my point. Oh and for the record telling me I am wrong is your opinion, it doesn't actually make me wrong.