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Will game streaming finally kill single-game purchases?

Ah, this old nugget of a debate. As Game Pass and PS Plus gain steam, some worry that AAA studios will lose money in streaming.TL;DR not entirely, but that won't stop some in the industry from stressing about it.

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gangsta_red1469d ago

These comparisons are always a bit strange to me. They always seem to take the worse examples of each and apply them to GP.

Spotify for instance, with the exec saying it killed people wanting to buy CDs. Spotify came way after the unnecessary need to buy CDs, Apple's iPod was already making waves of owning digital music. Even before that Napster was the big thing that was going to destroy the music industry.

There's always been a level of technical progression when it comes to music, from vinyl, 8 track, cassettes, CD and so on. The same can be applied to all media, games included.

Developers and publishers will adapt with the times as they always have.

ApocalypseShadow1469d ago (Edited 1469d ago )

An article... Puff Piece... to say, "get with the times" as a reaction to Ed Fries. There's nothing new to be said as we beat this dead horse. Technological advancement is only good when it benefits the consumer. But advancement can be abused to hurt the consumer. Ignoring this is a fools errand.

It's not streaming that's the problem. Digital is not the problem. Or even a subscription if it's only an option. It's when you have no other choice and it becomes the standard. That's the PROBLEM.

Gamers like myself said for years that if gamers pay for online, and we know where it started, that it would spread to everyone. And it did. There's no longer a choice in the matter. Pay or don't play online. Unless it's F2P games. So, I don't play online. Giving me games wasn't worth it when I was playing the ones I actually bought more. Giving me discounts meant nothing if games sales happen every fricken week. And flash sales monthly. Playing more single player games meant online was meaningless if I only did it every now and then.

That other company made online a priority. Then made PAYING for it a priority. Then made paying MORE for it a priority. Made paying for online to play F2P games a priority. Now, subscriptions are their priority. Stacked one subscription on top of the other. Almost forced their base to move over to it with a price hike that was caught. As they test to see what they can get away with, other companies are looking at it and thinking they can do it too. Just like micro transactions. Just like DLC. "What can we get away with?" Anyone not acknowledging that is ignorant.

If paying to play games becomes the standard, on an internet with known latency, where you can't hold a fighting competition with it, where you don't own a thing physically, where games might possibly release first on a service before being offered for sale to regular customers, or extra content exclusive first to subscribers, or items only given to subscribers, where prices of the subscription is guaranteed to go up, where digital prices are slow to come down, where games get delisted and lost forever, where games get changed because someone got offended, where older games lose songs compared to their original, physical release, where you're waiting for the next good game but still paying monthly, where subscriptions will, yes, WILL affect game creation, hurt some developers who don't get the big checks the big boys do... I could keep going... Because you don't see third parties rushing to put their games on these services. Not without a fat check. Developers made something to sell something. Subscriptions make their games worth nothing of value. Player numbers mean nothing if you're not getting paid.

That's when I get off the train permanently if these things become standard. I'll settle down with the games I have that are offline and single player. Or local multiplayer where that's more fun anyway as you play and laugh and eat and drink.

gangsta_red1469d ago

"It's when you have no other choice and it becomes the standard."

Even with the fall of record stores there's still ways to purchase physical music, even with the rise of streaming movies, there's still ways to own movies. It's actually easier to own these through online stores like Amazon. One could argue that it's killed the retail shopping mall scene, but that's another discussion for another time.

I would argue that no matter who did it first, this is where the industry was headed. If it wasn't, the competition could have easily came out ahead to be the hero and offered free online, no different tier sub service, offered free cloud saves, not locking emulation behind a pay wall, not implementing (and almost getting away with) online passes to stop used game purchases and so on. But they didn't because this was going to be the way. We see each company pretty much mirroring each other pretty closely with minor differences.

"If paying to play games becomes the standard, on an internet with known latency, where you can't hold a fighting competition with it, where you don't own a thing physically, where games ....."

That's a really big IF. I do agree that this is what Sony, MS and possibly Nintendo is working towards, no dedicated hardware and basically gamers having access to devices or PC. But I think this is so far down the road that when it probably does happen, speeds, latency, etc, etc will be a thing of the past. Just look how far we have come so far from the days of 56k dial up. I remember playing Madden online on Dreamcast and telling myself this will never take off. Shows how little foresight we actually have.

"Developers made something to sell something. Subscriptions make their games worth nothing of value"

And if their games don't sell in retail because they're being overshadowed by the big triple A release like a GTA, God of War or CoD, then what? This is the problem we're seeing now and why a lot of third party developers are getting bought and a lot of smaller developers are making deals to put their games on a sub service and day and date. Because they are getting paid to cover a substantial amount of dev cost upfront. So how is this big check they're given making there games nothing of value? It's a bigger crap shoot to release your game in the wild which is oversaturated by bigger names, at least having a sub service deal softens the blow in case they don't sell. Also, player numbers do mean a lot, if anything it means recognition, a lot more gamers will be on the look out for that company's next game, thanks to the exposure they got on a sub service.

"Player numbers mean nothing if you're not getting paid."

Why aren't they getting paid? If they're getting their recoup back from GP, then they should be getting a good number of sales from Playstation, it being the market leader with the highest install base, right? I see a lot of arguments or discussions here, the reason a game failed is because it was on GP even when the game was available on all platforms. Of course I also see that when the game succeeded it's because the game sold well on PS and has nothing to do with GP. You can't have it both ways.

"That's when I get off the train permanently if these things become standard."

I seriously doubt that, I heard this all before, "If sony does xyz i'll quit gaming" and then Sony always does and people just accept it, move on to the next outrage. If Sony makes a kick ass single player GoW behind a paywall, you'll pay for it and play it and have a good time doing it. We all will

Obscure_Observer1469d ago

@gangsta_red

"I seriously doubt that, I heard this all before, "If sony does xyz i'll quit gaming" and then Sony always does and people just accept it, move on to the next outrage. If Sony makes a kick ass single player GoW behind a paywall, you'll pay for it and play it and have a good time doing it. We all will"

Perfect! We heard it all before and, the same people are still here. It´s always the same in different scenarios: "If Sony charge for online I´ll quit. If Sony goes multiplatform I´ll quit. If Sony goes hard on MTX I´ll quit. If Sony goes GaaS I´ll quit. If Sony focus on subscriptions I´ll quit."

And they never do, obviously.

Thing is that Sony doesn´t care about those people´s feelings. They will do what they have to do by saying "deal with it" and gamers will just accept and move on, then, they will come out with lame/laughable excuses like: "the other company did it, so my preferred company had no choice but to follow the trend".

Today Sony is putting every single feature behind a paywall like freaking demos and trials and those same people are still here playing victim. Smdh.

darthv721468d ago

@red... you had a good streak going until you said "playing Madden online on dreamcast". Everyone knows Madden wasn't on DC. Its why Sega had to make their own 2K line of sports games.

And yes both Sony and MS are like for like now. Id even say somewhat switching places with MS loosening up online restrictions and Sony moving more things behind the paywall.

@shadow, your words ring hollow when you speak how you'd leave gaming. Just like all the celebrities who said they'd leave the country over Trump. Yet... nobody left. And you wont either, even as more things are shifting to online required / subscription services.

Keep telling yourself that though, you have to have something to keep the fight in you alive.

gangsta_red1468d ago

@Darth

You're right, it was more than likely 2K. it's been so long I forgot which of the two it was.

All I remember is playing on the Sega Channel over a dial up and having the worse experience.

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neutralgamer19921469d ago (Edited 1469d ago )

Gaming publishers will be too greed man. They already tried controlling the used market

Online passes
Single player games have MT
Companies generating billions from MT and less from actual game sales

Our online purchases became useless on Xbox series X few weeks ago. Couldn't play so a simple connection can cause user to lose ability to play

So I rather that choice be left up to us and not greed. Music industry is different and had way different piracy issues where as there is a healthy split between digital and physical

Eidolon1469d ago

I will always prefer a direction display connection, and to this day still don't have reliable or low latency enough ISP to allow for a solid or enjoyable experience. I think a lot(some) of people claiming it's amazing are compromising for the novelty/convenience.

TravsVoid1469d ago

The only thing that can cause this to happen is if the quality of the games stop being worth owning because of microtransactions, always online, and digital only (MAD). All three things effect the value in a games worth before we even consider the games gameplay or story and they are all on the uprise in games.

piroh1469d ago

Its like "will the veggie burgers kill the mcdonalds?" type of a question

Knightofelemia1469d ago

No because I am a collector I like the sense of ownership. I don't like being tied down to a subscription based service like Gamepass as an example and I won't buy digital unless I have to. Plus with the physical if the game is a pile of shit I can trade it in. If a company loses the license to a particular franchise. I can still play that game any time I want I know if you bought it digitally you can check you transaction history and redownload. Physical after a while drops faster in price because companies want to get rid of the title or its been out so long its just cheaper to buy physical over its digital cousin. I bought Death Stranding for $15 at a pawnshop on PSN it's still too pricey. Will I buy an all digital PS5 no will I buy the Series S no I like physical games. If other people want to go that route let them to me if games start going digital and streaming service only I am just going to stick with the older machines.

Flawlessmic1469d ago

I beleive both playstation premium and gamepass are good for gaming provided businesses do what they can afford to offer with these services and it doesnt impact there ability to make true AAA games and the devs still make enough money to make these great games.

Godmars2901469d ago

You're saying that in the post DLC age, where the true ending for Aura's Wrath was made DLC, as was a Prothean for Mass Effect 3.

Hell, you just have to look at mobile gaming to see how "business" effect games.

Flawlessmic1469d ago (Edited 1469d ago )

The 2 games u mentioned were never on there at launch, i dont beleive those services existed at that time lol

If ur point was we will see more imcomplete games that have dlc on the backend to make up for being on sub services then ok i get that but those 2 games were a bad example.

To be honest sonys one should do no harm as there isnt anything day and date on there so devs will still get there money from sales when they need it, and then will get a booster from sony once sales have died down to put it on the sub.

Obscure_Observer1469d ago

@Flawlessmic

"To be honest sonys one should do no harm as there isnt anything day and date on there so devs will still get there money from sales when they need it, and then will get a booster from sony once sales have died down to put it on the sub."

And how exactly do you expect Sony to compete with Gamepass without day one games released on the new PS +?

How long till people realize they´re paying premium for old games when there´s fresh day one games on the competition´s service for cheap?

I believe Sony will do the same as MS and PAY for day one games released on their service. You just watch.

Flawlessmic1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@obscure

I have gamepass mate and what sony has offered so far is better even without a sub service.

I want 1st and 3rd party aaa games and sony has ggiven that to me in the form of exclusives.

Xbox hasnt given me a reason to turn it on since forza and halo while this.

At the end of the day i want a reason to play the console.

Its all well and good to say hey gamepass has 1st party games day and date the problem is those releases are spread so far apart and they havent secured any big 3rd party exclusives so all im left with is indie games.

At this point in time gamepass is overrated give constant new games every few months that im happy to pay throughout the year rather than drip feed me big games on a service.

Ps premium isnt meant to compete with gp, and tbh sony back catalogue is so crazy good that i have no issues subbing to both gp and ps premium.

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Games Done Quick is coming to Europe for the first time with 3 days of Gamescom speedruns

The charity event will be streamed live from Gamescom in August.

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Microsoft Lowers the Price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate And PC Game Pass, But What’s Next For Xbox?

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate is getting cheaper but Call of Duty is leaving day-one access. Here’s what we think the price drop means for Xbox, PC Game Pass, and the future of the service.

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VaNdAl33d ago

Phil Spencer killed the Xbox Let It Go move on to PC

Jingsing33d ago

They would be better breaking up what valued assets they still have and put them out to auction for the competition.
There is no more financial gain for them on any trajectory in the entertainment space.

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PlayStation Confirms New DRM, Digital Games Will Vanish If Players Don't Log-In For 30 Days

Tech4Gamers writes: "A PlayStation Support assistant has confirmed that the 30-day timer implemented by the new DRM policy is part of an update and isn’t a bug. While responding to a fan’s query, PS support revealed that all games purchased digitally after March 2026 will be affected by this time limit.

If your PS4 or PS5 does not connect to the internet within 30 days, the game’s license will expire, and it won’t launch on the console unless the connection is restored. Hence, every digital game you purchase from now on will require an online check-in, or else you will lose ownership."

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Goodguy0135d ago

That is wild lol. Steam already does this for some games depending on the developer...but man...all digital games on ps5...

Eonjay34d ago

FYI, it hasn't actually been confirmed. This is just a lot of assumptions. If this is the case i would expect Sony to come out and say so. Chat bot response doesn't count as official confirmation.

People are also saying this is also an inadvertent mistake. If this is the case Sony and its customers would be best served by coming out and saying so.

If this isn't a mistake I think they need to confirm it and Playstation gamers should complain.

darthv7234d ago

Sounds like Sony quietly did what MS openly said they were going to do with the once a month check in... and MS got so much flak they had to change course.

People need to give Sony even more flak if its true.

blacktiger34d ago

If the response is from Sony whether irresponsible employee or chatbot. That's from SONY until Sony reiterate

Dandizzle34d ago

seriously, a large company like sony wouldnt do that without an announcement or else it would result in bombardment of customer service

BlackOni34d ago

Sony's chatbot is notoriously garbage at providing even basic information and functioning properly. I wouldn't take anything it says seriously.

That said, if this is true, this is serious af. Major L for gamers across the board.

1Victor34d ago

It’s no mistake someone got paid to code that in the update and it wasn’t just for the lol

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phatak34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

This is beyond nuts, this was pretty much the exact thing that the playstation execs during the ps4 era mocked the xbox one over and xbox never recovered after it, this is why you need stiff competition folks, Sony high on their own supply just like the early ps3 days where we apparently needed 2 jobs to afford one, I was a massive Ps3 fanboy mainly due to the fact that the xbox 360 pushed sony into a corner resulting in them actually trying real hard to get market share back and as a result we got crazy good exclusives, just for old times sakes like I used to do back in 2012 right here on n4g ill relist some of the major exclusives of ps3 again

Demons souls
Metal gear solid 4
uncharted 1,2,3
infamous 1,2, festival of blood
little big planet 1,2 & little big planet karting
gran turismo 5 and 6 & ridge racer 7
killzone 2,3
twisted metal
journey
ratchet and clank tools of destruction, quest for booty, crack in time, all for one, into the nexus
resistance 1,2,3
last of us 1
god of war 3 and ascension
motorstorm collection
ico & shadow of the colossus collection
folklore
modnation racers
warhawk & starhawk
sly collection & jack and daxter collection
Puppeteer & comet crash & tokyo jungle & rain & gravity crash & Echochrome & the last guy
Heavenly Sword
3D Dot Game Heroes
Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale
Mag & Socom 4
Fat Princess
Ni no Kuni, Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza 3,4,5 (these all came to pc later )

But just think and compare this catalog of games to ps5 ?
Saros, astro bot, demons souls remake, ghost of yotei, I would have included gran turismo 7 but that came on ps4 as well so not really an absolute exclusive that one needs to buy a ps5 to play like the other 4.

We are almost in the 6th year of the ps5, the 6th year of the ps3 was around 2012 and almost all the games from the list above were already released on the ps3, now if they are really pulling this online crap every 30 days non sense its only because of a lack of competition from xbox and so they have console players by the ba**s, now I don't know whether this is confirmed or not but regardless if this is in general where their headspace is at it seems like we should be worried, its the real playstation gamers that will be affected if its true, Im not even a playstation gamer anymore but my recommendation is put your money where you mouth is and really abandon playstation if this ends up being true.

Extermin8or3_34d ago

No it isnt. The xbox one require you to check in online every 24 hours. Also alot has changed in terms of Internet infrastructure and provision globally since 2013.....

hiawa2334d ago

Looking at what consoles cost now, many need 2 jobs.

cytricks34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Not quiet. Xbox wanted to do DRM for physical games so they would be locked to your account and not sharable

Zerobalance34d ago

Most of those games are trash. Deal bro🤣 Ponies gotta pony up. Muma Sony wants some more cash. PC bro! Good ol' games. Look it up.

Ashunderfire8634d ago

O man you remember that PS3 statement from crazy Ken Kutagri whatever is last name is, was so cringe for saying,”Your gonna want PS3 so bad you need 2 jobs!” That guy overhype the crap out of PS3, that was the most expensive console, an a lot of misinformation about the graphics and performance delta over 360.

Kyizen34d ago

Xbox drm was for physical games also and 24 hours with no sharing

vTuro2433d ago

Yeah stuff like this is why competition is needed. The ps360 era was peak gaming. Microsoft and Sony waging a full on war and Nintendo just kinda doing their own thing. The gamers only benefited from that. Then Microsoft shot themselves in the dick with the Xbone and that gen felt like a step down from the previous (imo), though it wasn't bad still.
Then you have the current gen, which honestly feels like one big nothingburger. Barely anything interesting gets released while prices keep going up which to me is just insane. Astro Bot is basically their only exclusive that I'd be interested in buying, but I'm not buying an console just for that. Especially not one as expensive as the ps5... I would add Demon's Souls to that, but I already played the original. Loved the game, but a remake isn't a system seller for me.

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Loktai34d ago

@darthv72 Yeah LIKE 14 years ago. Its like saying "Give sony flak for raising game prices, because it would have made you mad in 2012"

PRIMORDUS34d ago

Pirate on PC what you can, you will own it, nothing will be taken from you. I feel like your just throwing money away and have nothing to show for it, with digital games.

1Victor34d ago

Well all I’m going to say is I’ll vote with my wallet and keep refusing to buy digital and will cancel my ps extra this is bs and you all that still think digital is the future should take note because once the servers goes down so does your digital game library. Good luck and good bye

blacktiger34d ago

what game on steam has that/?

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Jin_Sakai35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

This has to be a mistake.

“Received word from an anonymous insider. The Sony DRM issue is unintentional. From what we gathered, Sony accidentally broke something while fixing an exploit. They've known about the confusing UI for a while, but didn't see it as urgent. Hoping for a clarifying statement now.”

Eonjay34d ago

I find their communication to be very poor. If this is an error on their part why let people get worried about it? I understand they don't respond to rumor but sometimes they make it worse by not responding and this is an unforced error on top of and apparent unforced error.

Kribwalker34d ago

There’s people that talked directly to people, not chat bots, that confirmed it’s real 🤷‍♂️
I expect those fans that were so against Xbox doing it to eat a whole lot of crow

Outside_ofthe_Box34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Damn, we having diehards coming out of the woodworks for this. 😳

But you're right this is literally what led to the demise of the Xbox One and led to some calling it the Xbone.

There is literally no need for this and Sony has been doing just fine without it. If I don't turn on my console for 30 days and want to play offline I should be able to play the game that I paid for, no if and or buts about it.

Jin_Sakai34d ago

If it’s real it won’t last long. Almost every PlayStation YouTube video is full of revolt comments about it.

CrashMania35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

The screenshot from the article is from an AI chat bot, there are plenty of screenshots floating around from actual human chat reps stating the opposite.

SkilledGamer34d ago

It's also worth noting that the text stating a 30 day license seems to only be visible on PS4, PS5 users aren't seeing it at all.

Warrior9434d ago

It this is real then I will never buy digital again and if the PS6 is digital only then it will be the first Playstation Console I wont buy

VersusDMC34d ago

"Games will vanish" is click baity as hell...all you have to do is log in and the license is restored.

phatak34d ago

@ VersusDMC The entire goal for us gamers is to want to avoid that lol, what if sony's servers are down or having some maintenance, many times ive just played my installed games without even signing into psn, from now one it means every 30 days I have to at the very least sign it to psn to even play my installed games, cannot even play single player games without singing in, so for example if sony just decides to ban me from psn, I cannot even play the games locally already installed on my drive that I purchased after march 2026, you don't think thats insane ? you just want to accept that ? abandon playstation right now if this story gets confirmed.
we officially have started renting games from march 2026, it was a good run we had 1994 to 2026.

VersusDMC34d ago

Maintenance doesn't last 30 days

Who doesn't sign in to psn for 30 days? Missing out on game updates, new games, messages, demos, etc...

You already lost all your purchases if you got permanently banned from psn so that's not new.

And if for some reason you don't have internet for 30 days you can use your smartphone as a Hotspot to connect your ps5 to the internet.

phatak34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

@VersusDMC my point isn't not about the 30 days maintenance man, the fact that you are willing to accept this 30 days sign in means they totally OWN you now, what if they change this later to 7 days, im sure you will be making the exact same point right " who doesnt sign into psn every 7 days" ? eventually say it becomes every 24 hours you cool with that too ? by psn banning you I mean to say if I get banned on psn right now for some weird reason that they decide, but I have 20 installed games already downloaded and ready to play just by clicking X, basically all the exclusives from ps4 and ps5, even if my psn is banned I still get to play the games already installed right now same like putting the disc into a banned console, from march 2026 will I be able to play my locally installed games with a banned PSN ? Its not about the length of time, its the fact that the corporation gets total control over how I choose to even play my single player offline games with mandatory sign ins, a simple thing such as forgetting my password would mean I cant even play ghost of yotei offline without signing into psn.

You ever heard the phrase "give someone an inch and they will take a yard", thats what will happen here, it doesn't just end at 30 days sign in, that's just the start

cytricks34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Is it that difficult to sign in for one second every 30 days? Especially if you are ps plus member who wants to get their free games?

phatak34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

@cytricks You are focusing again on the 30 days too, "oh sony said its only 30 days so we are safe" While its not a probability YET, just know that your playstation turns into a brick if sony decides to turn off those servers.

Sony's lack of communication is telling my conspiracy filled mind lol that they're testing to see if they can get away with this. If it was truly a mistake, they would have acknowledged it, apologised, and stated they're working on a fix.

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