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Nintendo have a problem, and it's becoming absurd

Dan Rizzo says "Title’s are showing the hardware’s age, as newer games fail to run on the hybrid unit. Third parties have done their best in queuing up hamstrung versions of their games to appease a niche audience, and quietly release these watered down versions as if they sit equal with their PlayStation, XBOX and PC counterparts."

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Magog1654d ago

They supported the original Gameboy for like 20 years and the Switch is still selling huge numbers. Nintendo arent going to shape their hardware to fit games they expect games to be made to fit their hardware.

DashGamer1654d ago

And that's a problem if they continue to license third parties.

Magog1654d ago

From the outside, sure. But as far as Nintendo is concerned the problem is that of third party devs to design their games for their hardware not for them to design hardware to please third party devs.

v_eno_m1654d ago

@DashGamer - "And that's a problem if they continue to license third parties."

Unfortunately, not Nintendo's problem.

Nintendo will always beat to their own drum and if third parties want Nintendo's player base, then they'll have to comply to the limitations nintendo has created. =\

_SilverHawk_1654d ago

Nintendo has had problems for decades and if you're just realizing it then you probably haven't been paying attention or don't know their history. Nintendo is a rubbish gaming company full stop

thorstein1653d ago

It's hysterical that anyone tries to claim that Nintendo doesn't know what they're doing because of "problems" invented by "journos" and comments sections.

Nintendo has been around for over 100 years. They will be around for well over 100 more.

Seraphim1653d ago

@thorstein - that doesn't mean there's not real hardware limitations that are impacting games on the Switch. Whether you want to admit that or not is up to you but it's a simple fact the Switch does suffer from hardware limitations.

Monster Hunter Stories 2, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Xeno, there are so many good-great games that suffer on the Switch hardware. Are they still playable, sure, but they leave A LOT to be desired.

DashGamer1653d ago

@Seraphim - plus SMTV, a third party ATLUS exclusive that runs terribly.

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ABizzel11654d ago

I don't blame the Switch at all. For a 2017 gaming handheld the hardware was acceptable. In 2021 the asking price of $299 / $349 is ridiculous and pure greed, but this is just post Wii Nintendo doing what they do best, produce it as cheap as possible and sell it for as much as possible, busting fans heads because they'll buy it because it plays Nintendo.

However, I don't think hardware is the direct issue for these fans. The issue at its core is, there are adult fans (myself included) that want/wanted Nintendo franchises to grow with them, because they've had experiences from other games and other platforms that show the potential of what some of their favorite classic Nintendo franchises could be.

The issue is this isn't solely a hardware problem. With better hardware sure they could make bigger, better looking, and potentially better games. However, this is more of an ideology of adult fans vs Nintendo's business. These gamers want Nintendo's IPs to mature (as in their stories / world building / etc...), but Nintendo wants their IP's to be simply be fun, familiar, friendly, and accessible for everyone from a 5 year old to an 80 year old and that's the issue. These fans (again myself included) want Zelda to keep its core and what makes it amazing, but to learn from The Witcher / God of War 2018 / even Skyrim and build an actual engaging story, an epic adventure, and a world filled with towns / quest / etc... But that's not what Nintendo does, that's PlayStation and 3rd parties.

The best thing these adults fans can do is to give up that thought process of wanting Nintendo to evolve (it's not going to happen at the speed you want) stick to their primary gaming platforms, and buy the Nintendo console(s) at the end of their lifecycle or emulate them while preferably still supporting the developer by buying a copy of the game.

Magog1654d ago

I don't often quote the Bible but

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

Zhipp1654d ago

As an adult Nintendo fan myself I have to pretty vehemently disagree with wanting GOW type narratives in my Nintendo games. As amazing as those types of stories can be, they often come at the expense of fun, which is exactly something I never want to see from Nintendo. I would like to see more new and bigger concepts, but leave the Sony style games to the ones who do it best, I say. That audience doesn't come close to representing all adult gamers, and not every company needs to appeal to them.

Automatic791653d ago (Edited 1653d ago )

Nintendo can acquire 4- 5 indie developers that create mature games and start to offer at least 2 mature games annually along with there Nintendo IP's. Heck they can continue to get 3rd party deals with Team Ninja, Bandai Namco, Platinum Games and Capcom to remedy and deliver more mature games.

The GameCube era was proof of it.

DashGamer1653d ago

It's fine to cater toward a younger demographic, but they have to realise they carry come clout and would benefit from becoming a primary player within the market instead of essentially leaving it to Sony.

Dirtnapstor1653d ago

Bottom line, Nintendo does not need to accelerate their hardware liken to Sony & MS because the games they push don't require it. It's a deliberate "step down" because of their primary target audience. For the genres offered, you've got to admit, the games look great.
I do not want a Zelda game ever looking like The Witcher... yes, it would look amazing, but it completely negates the elementary charm Nintendo designs to offer. Not everything has to be serious in tone.

THEDON82z11653d ago

That is so true, my last nintendo console was N64. I would easily buy another nintendo if they did a full modern next gen 3d version of metroid,zelda and fzero. Those games alone had so many memories. When ps2 came out i just felt like nintendo was not growing with me anymore. I dropped them and moved on and the sad truth is i never had a urge to go back.

ABizzel11652d ago (Edited 1652d ago )

@Zhipp

I don't think they need a GOW type narrative, however, BoTW was one of the weakest narratives in Zelda by far. IMO the narrative of Nintendo first party games has not grown since the N64/GC era, and in many cases some of them have gotten worse. My point is there is a lot of room for growth in the area of storytelling. They don't need to make Epics, like God of War, but they could definitely make huge leaps in their current stories.

@Dirtnapstor

I don't think anyone wants Zelda to look graphically like the Witcher (as in a sense of realism). I think for Nintendo games artstyle should always be prioritized over realism. However, games like Zelda could graphically look like the lie they sold us for the Wii U.

This is the level of graphics quality Nintendo should reach for if they decide to do a home console.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Mario UE4
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

The Pixar / CGI artstyle works for them, and they should stick to it.

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MasterChief36241654d ago

The Game Boy was a different era. They were the dominant force in the handheld space, a space that didn't have much competition anyways. They didn't have to worry about making games that were more technically-demanding because the vast majority of handheld players were oblivious to the other products. Yes you had the Game Gear, which was technically very much superior in every way, but the amount of batteries it took, its game library, and its bulk were harbingers of its failure to break through the market in a way that would give Nintendo that competition.

Nowadays, handhelds don't dominate like they used to. Yes we have the Switch Lite (and the Switch's portable mode), but it's first and foremost meant to be a home console. In the face of the Xbox Series X and PS5, the Switch is showing its age a lot. Nintendo beats to their drum, and they have always been more about gameplay and console efficiency than being the best graphics in town. But that approach is not working as well right now when 3rd party publishers are releasing so much stuff on the Switch that is so clearly watered-down from their other counterparts. People have comparisons now for what these games can look like on a console that's even slightly more powerful.

When Nintendo is releasing mostly their own stuff on the console and 3rd party publishers aren't as keen on releasing stuff on it, it's a better situation, because again there're not as many comparisons to make. The Switch has been such a massive success that they have more 3rd party support than probably ever before.

Times have changed, and Nintendo needs to change along with them if they want to remain competitive. They have so many great IPs to fall back on, but they can't do that forever.

Also the fact that publishers are now lazily throwing together cloud-based ports is so frustrating. Random thought I had.

Magog1654d ago

Switch is first and foremost a successor to the DS. It's a handheld that has the ability to connect to a TV. Nintendo has always preferred their handhelds because the development is cheaper and easier. They aren't interested in bleeding edge graphics at all. One look at any of their first party games or character designs and that is absurdly obvious.

Godmars2901654d ago

They didn't have much competition because no contender, largely Sony, was consistent with output. Thought of handhelds as supplementary to consoles rather than their own thing.

The PSV was literally suppose to be a companion system to the PS3. Be a rear view mirror in GT - of course with that kind of mindset it was going to fail!

Times may have changed, but Nintendo doesn't have to in order to compete with the PS5 or Series X since neither have yet to utilize their full potential. And by the time things get to a point they are while thing par to Breath of the Wild and Metroid Dread are offered, the PS6 - whatever MS's next box is - will be the only thing talked about by the "power" crowd.

DashGamer1653d ago

Precisely. Nintendo refuse to adapt, and while they sit on billions it won't progress them for another ten decades. They just fired 100+ employees and shut down two studios citing "budgetary limits". 11bn? Budget cuts? C'mon now.

Pyrofire951654d ago

Nintendo has been coming off as incredibly self centered and self serving for the past decade.
Forcing people to just meet them on their level is just arrogant.

lucian2291653d ago

Even their own games are suffering from it. Botw is severely old looking and has lag.

n1kki61653d ago

Congratulations, you successfully summarized the problem.

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Sciurus_vulgaris1654d ago

We have had dozens of articles like this one stating the same thing over-and-over again. The Switch was never intended to have powerful hardware. The system is designed to run titles made by Nintendo first and foremost. Look at the system’s sales, they are incredibly high despite the Switch not being able to run modern demanding games well [or at all].

ArmorOfGod1653d ago

I'm with you. This article immediately discredits itself by saying the Switch audience is "incredibly niche". LOL.

FinalFantasyFanatic1653d ago

The Switch sells on it's exclusives, you can say the same for the other consoles, hence why the PS4/5 also does well. And you have to admit that Nintendo does have a pretty strong library of titles to ensure that it's consoles do sell well (or at least, most of them have sold well).

People also forget that the Switch does double duty as a handheld device as well which constrains what hardware they can pack in. Sure, make it a powerhouse, but then you have a Gamegear situation where you need a much bigger battery and a bigger handheld, otherwise it'll just devour the battery life.

Personally, I think they should have done a Switch Pro without the ability to go handheld and increased it's performance 1.5 times so that they can do 1440p/4k graphics at 60fps (they wouldn't need very beastly hardware to get Nintendo games to that point). Although I don't mind if the Switch lasts another 2 or 3 years before releasing a successor as there are still games I want to buy for it (and those games don't get good discounts very often).

There's some practices of Nintendo's that I do not like, but they have a dedicated fanbase that will buy almost anything they can put out and defend them regardless.

giveyerheadawobble1654d ago

The Switch has been out 4 years, and it'll be 5 annual years when it turns 2022 in a little over a month. That's a full generation cycle. What do people expect? This thing has exceeded expectations given what it is and that it was up against the likes of the PS4 and X1, and knowing Nintendo, they'll find a way to stretch its life span until they announce its successor. Got a problem? Most big tech companies wish they'd the same problem.

Magog1654d ago

Their next console you can bet will also be an underpowered mobile hybrid. Nintendo doesn't expect you to play all of the bleeding edge third party games on Switch so I don't know why it's fans expect that. It's meant to be a supplement to a true console or PC not a replacement.

giveyerheadawobble1654d ago (Edited 1654d ago )

Exactly it, but the clueless plebs on this website (as you can already see) disagree. Nintendo has always been awkward when it come to 3rd parties, and this stretches all the way back to the SNES era, and especially the N64 era, but for different reasons. It wasn't until Nintendo changed their entire strategy with the Wii that they became more about catering to their own vision of what hardware meant that these so called "issues" came about for them. It's absolutely nothing new, but for some reason, the Switch is somehow in trouble because...why? It's underpowered? Shock horror. It's like these people have learned nothing about how Nintendo have been doing things for almost two decades. Clown shoes journalism as usual, and muppets agreeing with it on here.

Oh, and it's also worth carving out this little gem of a nugget in the opening paragraph in the statement above:

"hamstrung versions of their games to appease a niche audience"

89 million Switches sold to date. Niche audience. As I said: clown shoes.

Yui_Suzumiya1654d ago

But I own a Switch just to play graphically intensive third party games and visual novels in handheld mode. It's heaven on earth. I even spent $400 just for the OLED tablet and joycons (no dock or AC adapter).

FinalFantasyFanatic1653d ago

I'm honestly happy with it, I wouldn't mind it lasting another 2 or 3 years as long as they supply exclusive games for it (I'm buying third-party games on PC where I can because of Nintendo's pricing).

Hofstaderman1654d ago

My bro just got his Oled and gave me his OG. I'm playing Mario Odyssey and let me tell you as a primary Playstation gamer, I don't care if the Switch is underpowered I'm having a blast. I also live in country where we have electricity loadshedding and the Switch has been a life saver for me. Once I'm done with Mario I have Breath of the Wild lined up.

AuraAbjure1654d ago (Edited 1654d ago )

Nice! A couple tips about Breath of the Wild. You can FREEZE ENEMIES using the time freeze ability. You can photograph bugs and record them in a diary so that your radar starts to blip whenever you get close to one you program it to detect for hunting purposes. Shoot arrows at as many dragons as you can to collect their scales for armor upgrades later. Same as shooting stars. You can also deflect Guardian laser beams with your shield and set grass on fire by merely drawing a fire arrow back. The updraft from the grass's fire allows you to para glide straight up for a convenient boost.

I would search for upgrades that boost your grip stamina while climbing, towards the beginning of the game ideally. There's a respawning bow that zooms in like a sniper in an underground Geurdo ice cave.

Also, somebody found out how to obtain the master sword very close to the beginning of the game using a camp fire glitch.

BrainSyphoned1654d ago

Great you like Mario and Zelda. Of course this article is is about third party problems but keep on enjoying the library you can count on one hand.

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Double_O_Revan1653d ago

This guy gets it. The people that mainly complain about the Switch and how underpowered it is are the people that want it to be their primary console, and it will never be that. I too am a Playstation player primarily. And when I got my Switch near launch, I played the hell out of it with games like BotW and Odyssey. But it does sit for lengthy periods of times untouched.

But mostly it's a system I use when taking breaks from my PS4/5. I play both 1st and 3rd party games on it. I don't care if it's less powerful than the others, because it's a system built for convenience to take on the go or sitting in the back yard on a nice day. It is the evolution of the Gameboy and DS lines combined with its home console line.

Hofstaderman1653d ago

Exactly. The Switch cannot compete with my Playstation but it fits in nicely between my more extensive plays of games like Mass Effect trilogy and Last of Us 2.

Sirk7x1653d ago

Word. I love my Series X, but I'm sitting here right now playing SMTV. A good game is a good game, regardless of hardware. Sure, someone could say the performance and graphics could be better on more powerful hardware, but you could say that about any game that isn't industry leading.

Automatic791653d ago

Well said. Nintendo is fun in its own right. It doesn't need to be like the other consoles.

FinalFantasyFanatic1653d ago

I just like how the Nintendo consoles still support couch multi-player, it's rare to see that with the other 2 nowadays and it makes having friends over for a gaming session difficult. So the Switch is now my go to console for that, even my friends enjoy playing those games despite being reluctant to play the Switch.

IanTH1653d ago (Edited 1653d ago )

The bigger issue is you're playing - IMO - the best that platform has to offer between Odyssey & BotW. You'll get done with those & look to Nintendo for more of the same, and they have not put out a single game as interesting or ambitious as those two games since. Those early games really had me excited for what Nintendo would be putting out down the line, and somehow those were one-offs.

Hopefully BotW2 is an excellent follow up to the first, but most everything else feels kind of like a regression in comparison. There are still some decent additional titles (especially if you never owned a Wii U), but the fact you kind of got one for free & just get to dip in without feeling like you have to have justified making the hardware investment is about as good as it gets in my mind.

Also, if you play in handheld mode a lot, get a Hori Split Pad Pro. Your hands will thank you, and the analog sticks are much better than the ones on the JoyCons.

Hofstaderman1653d ago

I agree the Switch is quite wide for me when holding and I'm getting used to playing with the Joy Cons detached. I am planning on getting a pro controller for tabletop and docked play

Hofstaderman1653d ago

Yup pretty much my sentiment. I got it at no cost and no I've never owned a Wii-U so I think I'll be good for a while. Graphics don't really mean much to me, I still play Final Fantasy 6, the PlayStation 1 Final Fantasies and Xenogears. I also have never owned any other Nintendo console so I'm hoping they improve on their legacy releases.

FinalFantasyFanatic1653d ago

@Hofstaderman,

Like Instantstupor said, I also like the Hori Split-Pad, it add some bulk, but it makes handheld so much more comfortable, otherwise I get hand cramps. I also recommend the 8bitdo Pro 2 controller and the 8bitdo bluetooth adapter (so you can use other console controllers on the Switch like the PS4 controller, or use other controllers on the PC if you don't have bluetooth on it).

DashGamer1653d ago

That's awesome! I love Odyssey, and I consider BOTW to be the best Zelda of all time, despite what enthusiasts say. I'm glad they still produce quality in first party titles, it's what keeps me attracted to their platform.

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RetroCaptainSteve1654d ago

Just reading "Nintendo have a problem" gave me a headache.

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You Didn’t Just Buy a Console. You Joined an Ecosystem

Modern consoles aren’t one-time purchases. How PlayStation, Nintendo, and Xbox keep you inside their ecosystems.

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Nintendo wants to avoid Switch 2 scalping by making enough for demand

President Shuntaro Furukawa says he doesn’t think component shortages will be an issue due to new plan.

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ZycoFox694d ago

Probably be using 3+ year old chips by the time it launches

Tacoboto693d ago

The 2017 Switch is based on the 2015 Tegra X1 so even if Nintendo is using technology from 2022, that alone still represents a significant improvement.

Outside_ofthe_Box693d ago

How many decades has it been since Nintendo consoles been about power?

Inverno693d ago

Should open pre-orders through the E-shop for a period before making it available through stores. And now that COVID is out the way, you can make in store preorders mandatory too. People interested wouldn't have much of an issue driving by if it meant keeping scalpers at bay for a bit.

CrimsonWing69693d ago

I mean, the problem is these a-holes have bots that eat up every sites inventory. Then they sell it on eBay for stupid prices. No matter what you try to do we’re still going to have to fight through these human pieces of sh*t to get these damn consoles at launch.

phoenixwing693d ago (Edited 693d ago )

Well I'll either see if I can get one online against bots or wait till they're saturated and buy in a brick and morter store. Waiting isn't an issue anyway I have enough games to wait out the shortage

FinalFantasyFanatic692d ago (Edited 692d ago )

I can't really understand people rushing out to buy a console at release, I'll wait a year, two years, etc... until I can walk into a store and buy one if I have to, I'm not paying scalper prices.

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Are the Console Wars Over? Welcome to the Handheld Wars.

Looks like the epic console wars might be coming to an end, and a new battlefield is heating up: the Handheld Wars. With heavy hitters like the Steam Deck, Lenovo Legion Go, and the trusty Nintendo Switch, portable gaming is taking the spotlight. These handhelds bring the power of consoles to your hands, offering a variety of gaming experiences for both casual and hardcore gamers. While PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo aren't going anywhere, the rise of handheld gaming is giving us more ways to play than ever before.

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darthv72718d ago

console wars are stupid to begin with... let alone handheld wars.

GameGeeked718d ago

Console wars, and possibly handheld wars, may seem silly, but they persist because there will always be passionate fan.

darthv72718d ago

Being passionate about the games is fine. The plastic boxes... not so much.

InUrFoxHole716d ago

Passionate is one thing. But fans went full retard

Cacabunga716d ago

Darth

You need some kind of plastic box to play them games.. and people tend to choose the best one. Console wars allows games and consoles to reach new heights.

S2Killinit716d ago

You really don't get to speak. Come on.

Ironmike716d ago (Edited 716d ago )

S2killinit u just as bad

S2Killinit716d ago (Edited 716d ago )

@Ironmike
I’m not as relentless as some on here. In fact, I only respond in kind and I got pulled into this site after seeing how some commenters were always rushing in to be the first comment and detail conversations in favor of their box. Now that their console of choice is doing badly, they preach kumbaya. Just saying.

crazyCoconuts716d ago

Is it implied that "console wars" refers to the fans warring vs. the war the platform holders are constantly in?
Obviously the platform holders have been at war and will be as long as they have to compete for our dollars.

ravens52716d ago

They're fine, as long as you know this isn't REAL. I can say how much distaste I have for MS but still have a best friend that only games on Xbox. Its not that serious .

Charlieboy333716d ago (Edited 716d ago )

Darth, do you not have preferences for certain things in life ? You know like a certain brand of phone, car, clothing, restaurant, etc.

Or are you one of those boring limp people that like to sit on the fence with everything because the 'conflict' is too much for you to handle?

There is fuckall wrong with having a console war....it keeps things fun and interesting. Well unless you're a supporter of Xbox that is.

Most of the intelligent self respecting Xbox supporters have jumped ship and all that's left now are the mouth breathing knuckle draggers.

Ironmike716d ago (Edited 716d ago )

So u resort to insults to win argument, u already lost bro .

Charlieboy333716d ago

@ Ironmike Whatever you say sunshine.....yawn

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Knightofelemia717d ago

Console wars were great when it was SNES vs Genesis. Was always a great topic in the school yard. You got the Genesis port the friend got the SNES port. Always fun to compare who was better. I always looked forward after the school week and rent a game for the SNES. Now the console wars are pretty much done and over with PS3 vs XB360 was pretty much the last of the console wars. Anything after that is pretty much one sided with almost everybody going PS4 and PS5. To me the console wars started to drop after the PS3 and XB360 ran their course. Be interesting to see the handheld wars I am in the market for a new handheld system.

GameGeeked717d ago

The SNES vs Genesis days were definitely memorable. I was lucky to have both consoles :) It's interesting to see how the focus is shifting now. Handheld wars could bring back some of that excitement. Which handheld system are you considering?

anast716d ago

I was on the Genesis side. We see how well that went.

RaiderNation716d ago

I had both but I preferred the Genesis for the sports games and I liked Sega's 6 button controller better for fighting games. That D pad was a godsend to pull off Street Fighter moves!

RaiderNation716d ago (Edited 716d ago )

The "golden age" of gaming to me was between 1995 and 2000 when it was a 3 horse race between Sony, Nintendo, and Sega. For me, there WAS no console war because I genuinely loved all 3 platforms, with each bringing something unique to the table. I miss that era.

anast716d ago

I switched to Sony day 1.

PhillyDonJawn716d ago

Anast, no one would've ever thought that about you. Totally surprising news/s

Fist4achin716d ago (Edited 716d ago )

Mortal Kombat was superior on the genesis!

FinalFantasyFanatic715d ago

It also helps that back then, they used very different hardware, today's consoles have very similar internals to each other, especially modern Playstations and Xboxes.

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fsfsxii716d ago

Handheld wars aka which system is gimped more and destroys your hands faster.

anast716d ago

I would say with the defeat of Xbox and Nintendo being it's own thing in family friendly handheld gaming, the console wars are over. For those of us that enjoy that kind of entertainment and are aware of this aspect, it was fun while it lasted.

There is no handheld war Nintendo owns the handheld landscape.

-Foxtrot716d ago

" There is no handheld war Nintendo owns the handheld landscape "

If the Xbox handheld is true I won't how it will do against Nintendo, even Sony couldn't keep up and the PSP was fantastic

RaiderNation716d ago (Edited 716d ago )

The Steamdeck has currently sold around 3 million worldwide. A handheld Xbox would be lucky to double that. As others have suggested, there IS no handheld war. Nintendo owns it.

Ironmike716d ago

The defeat of xbox my god u for real it's a console u talking g like its real war the defeat that's saddest statement I read in here

anast716d ago

"that's saddest statement I read in here"

Your not very self aware. I get it.

The Wood716d ago

The xbox as a console is a shadow of what it was during the 360 era. IF the term war offends you then I guess that you lean towards the green brand.. Just a guess mind you.. Regardless, the brand has been mismanaged for way too long and that's a key factor as to why the gappage as increased yoy between it and its closest rival.

DarXyde716d ago

In a handheld war, Nintendo cannot be beaten.

PSP was a surprisingly robust effort, and it came the closest... While doing half as well as the DS.

badz149716d ago

closest? By any metric imaginable, it was not even close. it's easy to assume the that the PSP might as well be considered a success but it sold over 80mil vs over 150mil by the DS. It was not until the failure of Wii U, Xbone and Vita did people finally realize how well the PSP actually did. before all those, it was generally called a failure by many, considering how badly the DS crushed it in sales.

NotoriousWhiz716d ago

If the PSP's 80 million isn't a success, then what is the 3DS' 75 million?

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