Epic has tencent backing them. So it's not like they're some weaklings.

And if you see the court emails, Epic literally went on an attack campaign before either company ever responded to their demands. Also, you don't sign an agreement and then get mad because the terms don't favor you.

They aren't some every day customer like the rest of us. Epic has lawyers that read over these things that the rest of us could care less about. So they were aware of what they're doing.

To be fair, it's exactly like you said VenomUK. But let's not make it like Epic is this tiny mom and pop company that two giants are trying to just crush.

No. Epic is breaching their contract which they agreed to follow. It's that simple. Epic couldn't gone and created another storefront but they didn't.

no one ever said there isn't a need for discussion. But you don't do that AFTER you go into business with a company knowing what that entails..

as for the amount of people that own iphones, so what? Apple never told other tech companies to NOT make phones and compete. Why can't their masters at Tencent invest in phone R & D to develop their own and not deal with anyone else?

And why isn't Epic challenging Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo on the 30% cut? Since Epic puts games on consoles too.

Epic is no white knight savior here. We're talking about the same Tim Sweeney that tried to fearmonger PC gaming by saying Microsoft would firmware steam to the point of being unplayable in favor of Windows gaming. Only for a year later Epic game store to release and hence the REAL reason he "defended" steam comes to light.

You'll never see me complain about Google and Apple getting competition because lord knows it's needed. But not the way Epic is going about it.

And on a personal note, I hate the fact that I find myself agreeing with google/apple in this case. And my disdain for them both is pretty extensive so.... lol

@Lodossrage

I could be mistaken on this front as I do not have time to locate the source, but I believe an iphone has now been deemed an “economic necessity.” So with that, those that support the platform with content should not be subject to such high fees. Obviously Epic lost on the topic of that logic but it still has some merit

But it's their platform. Just so happens tens of millions of people have I phones and other Apple devices. Did Epic cover Apples R and D, marketing and upkeep of their systems? If they don't like Apples terms they don't have to publish apps on their ecosystem. It boils down to Epic wanting to maximize profits.

what if it is only profitable because it charges that rate though >.> hypothetically speaking (i know this is not the case).

that's not a good argument venom.

We can't count anyone's money and say "company B operates at a loss so it's ok to charge 30%"

And the 30% commission fee drop is only for xbox on pc, not xbox consoles. And they only JUST did that when Epic and Apple went to court. Before that, Xbox had no problem having the same 30% commission on pc that they do on consoles now.

@lodossrage You're right, it isn't a good argument! But that was the case made by Microsoft in the Epic vs Apple case. It's not going to charge any commission to app developers who sell through the Windows store, although game publishers will have to pay 12%.

So why has Microsoft shifted its stance? I believe it's because where it is the market leader in desktop OS it has almost zero market share in the mobile OS space* and that is very dangerous for it so it wants to weaken that monopoly.

*some die-hard fans still love their Windows 8 Phones!

Sarcasm and joking must be something you missed out on

@Knightofelemia
Considering no one else picked up this supposed sarcasm/joke, might want to work on your sarcasm/joke delivery.

Not sure I follow this logic, I'd imagine that being an investor in a company means you are much more likely to bring litigation against them in general. Especially a company who willingly breaches contracts with your competitors and brings PR campaigns against them. Especially when the thing that caused the breach of contract and litigation is something you are also doing, 30% cut, no alternative stores.

I didn't mean for the dev to set up a market place, this lawsuit is attempting 3 main things

Off app purchases (which I agree small devs won't have the ability to use)
Larger split for the dev (88/12 rather then 70/30)
Or 3rd party store launchers (which would be an Epic launcher which would then compete with the main launcher)

I understand the store front split is normal for most digital store fronts. But im more interested in giving more of my money to the developer then I am lining Apples $2,000,000,000,000 or even Googles $1,800,000,000,000 worth.

Not only that, then theres charge back from someone using a stolen credit card because they are not fully protected, I remember a small dev that had to close because a hacker bought many keys using stolen CC; and he had to pay a lot 0f 20$ for those charge backs and that was just because that dev didnt want to sell only directly on steam or others stores and wanted to maximize profit which is understandable but there are risks ...