Except they don't really buy third party developers do they? All their acquisitions were mostly developing for Playstation only before being purchased. So your statement is wrong.

No. Sony works with a studio, supporting the creation of IPs which more than often are released as Sony titles.

MS buys a studio known for a popular IP in hopes of drawing that popularity towards the Xbox brand. In the process, more often than not, not only make once multititle games exclusive, because of over focus on multiplayer and pimping XBL, reduce quality of the franchises they buy. That's if they make further games at all.

You mean 2nd party dev because there is a big difference.

krog um what?

They didnt have an exclusive games partnership with any double fine, ninja theory, compulsion, or any of Bethesda's studios.

In fact Double fine and ninja theory worked closer with sony.

When Sony talks exclusive relationship they mean from the planning stages of games. Not just seeing what a studio is already making and wanting in like deathloop and ghostwire, or any of ms recent purchases.

There is no moving goal post. You just refuse to see it.

@krog
You are 100% right. It's way too much hypocrisy with Sony fans. Timed exclusive were bad for Tomb Raider but, great for Deathloop and Tokyo? Buying Bethesda is bad but, buy Insomniac is good. They say MS needs to invest in games because "Xbox has no games " because they games are also on PC. Now Sony exclusives are coming to PC now it great for others to experience Sony games. They are just ridiculous.

And now I will take my down votes with pride. Thank you.

You can’t mention anything without mentioning the cons as well.

krog

None of the games you mentioned were made because they pitched it to ms ....so what were you even replying to?

The only games you mentioned that are even in the ball park of the conversation are kung fu chaos and hello neighbor.
KOTOR was not funded or pitched by/to MS. Cumpulsion went through MS for early access to hello neighbor, not funding the concept.

mkis0077h ago(Edited 7h ago)
It's funny you use the one exception to their entire portfolio as if to prove concretely that it isn't true.

I would like to know what led to the addition though, seemingly out of the blue.***

Not out of the blue,

https://www.vg247.com/2021/...

***“But we do value PC gamers, and we’ll continue to look at the right times to launch each game. Bend Studio just released the PC version of Days Gone on May 18. So that’s about two years after the PS4 release.”

Hulst hopes that PC releases will attract new fans to PlayStation’s IP. The timing of the games releases is intentional; two years later, Days Gone came storming back into the conversation. It seems like Sony is eager to double-dip more in the future.

“That’s the goal — we want to reach new gamers who haven’t yet experienced the great stories, characters, and worlds that we’ve built. Releasing games on PC will not come ever at the expense of building an exciting lineup of great console games.”***

Herman Hulst stated they are bringing more games to the PC, however it won't interfere with Sony 1st party who will carry on as normal.. Nixxes will prob be given the ports, much like Bluepoint for PS remakes.

@ Krog...

Get an education child, SCI WWW aka Sony Liverpool has been doing this for over 20 years, its called the XDEV [eXternal DEVelopment division, where Evolution/ Guerilla/ Media Molecule etc all started out..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

XDev Europe, established in 2000 and based in Liverpool, England,[7] collaborates with independent development studios across Europe and other PAL territories to publish content to PlayStation platforms all over the world. XDev has helped to create and publish, titles such as the LittleBigPlanet, Buzz!, MotorStorm and Invizimals series, Super Stardust HD, Heavenly Sword, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, Tearaway and Resogun. Partners include independent developers such as Quantic Dream, Magenta Software, Climax Studios, Novarama, Supermassive Games and Sumo Digital, as well as SCE subsidiaries such as Media Molecule and Guerrilla Games. In addition to funding projects, XDev offer full production, project management and game design support. Titles are also supported with community management, online production and dedicated outsourcing management facilities. XDev work directly with Marketing and PR teams in all Sony territories to promote and publish games worldwide.[29][30]***

Jim Ryan is talking to the Asian/Chinese, basically recruiting and telling them

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

***Sony XDEV Recruiting Producers for AAA PS5, PS4 Games in Japan and Asia
More evidence of global operation
get2sammybby Sammy Barker Wed 12th May 2021***

XDEV has gone global.

The way it [XDEV] works is MM came under Sony Cambridge [as did Guerilla and Ninja Theory], who came to Sony from Lionhead and were told that

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

LBP was too ambitious.. Sony made LBP when MM were still indies and [like thatgamescompany] became the darlings of the industry.. Sony offered to buy them, MM accepted, now MM can employ XDEV developers like Sumo Digital to make a Sony IP aka Sackboy: A Big Adventure, whilst they carry on with Dreams... Even now MM is only 50 people.. Sumo is 750 strong.. However MM already gave them work with LBP 3 for the PS 3/4.. So they pretty much trusted them.

Note thatgamescompany took their own path and haven't been heard of since.

@mkis007 - you imagine Microsoft did not have anything going on with Zenimax prior to acquisition. And yet the deal was years in the making and Phil and Robert had a very strong relationship prior to acquisition. https://www.thegamer.com/xb...

krog

It isn't my fault you believe we are changing the narrative because we use other words with the same meaning. The words we use have meaning behind them, they are not just words. You are not understanding what a relationship is. It's a 2 way street with both sides having input. . Signing an exclusive deal ala deathloop is not the kind of relationship we are talking about. It's when both publisher and developer come up with something. A pitch is usually involved.

Writing a blank check can be useful, but it isn't necessarily conducive to a good relationship if the game flops.

MS is not known to have anything to do with KOTOR's development other than being the only console it was on. Call it a Deathloop deal at best. They were not the publisher nor were they the developer. They did not hear the pitch for the games. What exactly are you claiming they contributed to KOTOR 1 and 2 development? Money hat?

Again, you not understanding that "relationship" is just a simplification of the process of making games is not my fault. Feel free to point out what is inconsistent specifically.

krog

I even used Deathloop as an example so it would be easy for you to understand, pity.

I have not fabricated anything. If you can find something concrete that said MS worked within the dev environment or publishing environment for KOTOR than you would have something to back yourself up here.

From what I've read KOTOR was a pc game by bioware and the xbox was simply an easy port so they released it there.

I never said MS paid for KOTOR, I was using blank checks as a general example of not the right relationship. I wonder if they did pay for it?

@hollow who bought that idea? Sony did actually. Sanandreas was timed exclusive on PS2 then eventually came to Xbox that's one of many examples im the 6th gen era. All MS did was play Sony at their own game come 7th gen.

@lightning

I like how you two keep using Rise of the Tomb Raider as if it's comparable.

ROTR was a direct sequel to TR2013 which was beloved by many. The sequel was highly anticipated by many who enjoyed the first. Phil coming along to throw cash around specifically to keep it out of PlayStation gamers hands (even though he loves to pretend 'the more people who can play, the better') was understandably going to ruffle feathers.

Deathloop and Tokyo have ZERO history with Xbox or any other platform and come from studios whose previous games have underperformed as multiplats. Being PS5 timed exclusive is raising the profile of these titles.

I'd like to add something.

While Sony and Nintendo weren't buying studios but working with them in the late 90's. It was MS that came out of nowhere Buying studios and such, buying exclusive deals with companies and so on. San Andreas was not the typical timed exclusive. That was clearly a maneuver to combat MS throwing money around like they always do. You seem to ignore how Bungie originally ended up where it was and how Halo was a PC and Mac game until outta nowhere MS bought Bungie and the Bethesda situation kinda happened where they were working on games initially what weren't complete and they had to allow some of the devs to go finish them. Then they had halo converted into a Xbox exclusive. This ain't anything new. Sony's take or working with a company and getting a timed exclusive that they are very clear and vocal about isn't that big of a issue. I'd say Scarlet nexus literally having Bandai not even mention PS versions for months is a much bigger issue than that. I'd rather transparency than hiding behind technicalities and paying for dirty marketing tactics because no one can tell me MS wasn't behind the fact Bandai wouldn't even acknowledge PS versions of the game. You always had to go to other sources to find any info on the PS versions.

@Lightning77

No, MS getting Tomb Raider as a Timed Exclusive wasn't frowned upon. It was the way they handled it. First, they waited til after it was announced as in development. Second, they then went ahead and made this deal VERY shortly before Gamescom, to the point that even the Sony execs had said that as recently as the day before it was still supposed to come to their system. Third, they deliberately tried to play coy and be vague about the exclusivity being timed, instead suggesting that the game was fully exclusive and allowing people to run with that before FINALLY having to clear it up, and even then someone at CD had to let it slip that it would hit the PS4 a year later.

THAT is why the Tomb Raider Deal was controversial. Not just that it happened.