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Orchard1821d ago

They really went ahead and launched this update without PS4/5 support… thanks Sony!

For the players (who don’t want to play with larger multiplayer player bases).

JackBNimble1821d ago

What difference does it make ? Sonybois claim to only play single player games anyways.

Terry_B1821d ago

Never wanted to play Borderlands 1-3 with others..am I a "Sonyboi" now because I played the games on both Playstations and PC?

Mr_Writer851820d ago

@orchard

Evidence that it's Sony's fault?

GortJester1820d ago

Lol I provide evidence (obviously 2k wouldn’t say no, as they’ve been clear on their stance) but a Sony fanboy can’t stand that his people calling the shots are making shit decisions for consumers in this case. Thanks for the downvote.

OptimusDK1821d ago

Great for all gamers - also now we sse the hypocrisy from SONY

solideagle1821d ago

I have always played on Playstation and always wanted CrossPlay, so I can play with my PC friends. Sony just made me sad. I am not sure why they are so stubborn on cross play stance. I know people will bring PS3 era when they allowed it. It's 2021 and I think all big/multiplayer games should have this feature.

Mr_Writer851820d ago (Edited 1820d ago )

This was a 2k decision not Sony.

GortJester1820d ago

2k decision because of Sony?

GortJester1820d ago

Again 2K has been clear without being allowed to say it’s Sony and yet these Sony Fanboys are so adamant about ignoring their overlords. The downvotes don’t change the facts.

Orchard1820d ago

Sony are the only console manufacturer / platform which charges for cross play.

This is 100% on Sony and 0% on 2K.

Shuckylad1821d ago

Be cautious. While great features added in this patch it’s broken Lan play on pc and there’s also major performance issues on Xbox series consoles with in game pauses and stuttering. Pc players also experiencing performance issues also since this update.

GortJester1820d ago

I can confirm it’s happening on my series x after it used to be buttery smooth.

Shuckylad1820d ago

Yeah, Funny how I get disagrees for stating facts that I’m experiencing and lots of other people are to. Gearbox employee has even confirmed they’re looking into these issues.

akbennyewu1820d ago

I think you are getting disagrees for attempting to shift the discussion.

BioShockGX1821d ago

Too late anyway. People already finished the game and moved on.

Mr_Writer851820d ago (Edited 1820d ago )

Just a reminder that whilst Sony could indeed reach out to 2K and try and solve the issue.

It is 2K who pulled the update on PlayStation, not Sony.

And before I see the "they want money" argument, A) we only have evidence that relates to games with MT (which Borderlands 3 has none)

B) Why did 2K allow Gearbox to promise this if they knew that Sony charged (if they do) and they had a problem with this?

C) Jim Ryan has publicly encouraged cross play

D) Overwatch launched cross platform play this week a game with MTX, if Sony does charge, why don't 2K pay it? I mean if Activision are willing to it can't be that bad? Or maybe they have done so because, Sony don't charge, they just ask for a fair cut of MTX.

Bladesfist1820d ago

They probably don't want to pay it and want to use the PlayStation community to pressure Sony into changing their policy as it's not exactly for the gamers. Devs and publishers as a whole seem to be pushing for more from platforms atm.

Orchard1820d ago

Imagine defending a large corporation that is being so anti-consumer this hard. Next you’ll be telling us Walmart are the best company in the world.

You’re also so wrong.

A) Borderlands 3 has MTX and season passes

B) They’d likely just assumed it was free because it is everywhere else and is the industry standard. Them having announced it doesn’t negate the fact that Sony are the ones in the wrong here.

C) Public stances don’t always match private stances. Saying something publicly means nothing if your actions don’t back it up.

D) So 2K should pay just because someone else did? Sony are out of line with the rest of the industry on this. No one else is charging for cross play.

Sony are screwing their customers for a quick buck. I spent $500 on this box, I expect it to have similar games and features which are available on other platforms.

Mr_Writer851820d ago

@orchad

A) What microtransactions do they have? Link to MTX please, also DLC isn't MTX.

B) proof?

C) Sony have been doing cross play since PS2 (Final Fantasy 11) and countless other PS3 and PC games.

D) Was asking the question, you and many others still don't have any evidence that Sony charge for cross play.

Even Epic say it's under certain circumstances.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

You can try and pretend that I'm defending a company, I see it as I refuse to cry about something unless I know the facts, of which we do not.

That's how adults usually work, hear something they don't like, they check out the facts and react accordingly.

Orchard1820d ago

A) It has cosmetic consumables in-game. Whether you choose to consider those as MTX or DLC is up to you, we also don't know how Sony interprets those.

B) I don't have to prove anything about what 2K's logic was, the fact remains that regardless of why they announced this, it doesn't negate the fact this is Sony's fault since they are the ones charging, out of line with every other platform.

C) So? Past behavior doesn't mean it's current policy. That's even worse then - they were doing it for free and now they've decided to gouge developers and screw consumers under the new leadership.

D) "you and many others still don't have any evidence that Sony charge for cross play."
"Even Epic say it's under certain circumstances."

If Epic say (under oath in Federal court) that it occurs under certain circumstances, is that not evidence that Sony charge for cross play?

Your linked article also proves my point, quoting:

"The Verge also says Sweeney confirmed Sony is the only platform holder that requires this compensation for crossplay."

Why should developers pay Sony for something that is industry standard today, and is free throughout the industry.

Would you be fine if Sony started charging us a $5/mo fee to play cross-play with friends? while Xbox, Switch and PC played for free? I doubt it.

Mr_Writer851820d ago (Edited 1820d ago )

@Orchad

" I don't have to prove anything"

So you can just go making stuff up then, but try and claim it's true?

If you think that it's possibly Sony's fault, that's fine.

But you're not, you're trying to pass it off speculation as fact.

Until you can grasp that, any counter you make is invalid.

"occurs under certain circumstances, is that not evidence that Sony charge for cross play?"

It would, if you could prove that Borderlands 3 is a game that falls into "certain circumstance".

But again you cannot..So you speculate.

" industry standard today, and is free throughout the industry."

No it's not, there a far more games that's aren't console cross play then are, so that's not a standard is it?

"So? Past behavior doesn't mean it's current policy"

It's ALWAYS been policy, thats my point, you claimed actions speak louder, well they have been the most pro active of them all.

"That's even worse then - they were doing it for free and now they've decided to gouge developers and screw consumers under the new leadership."

Speculation with no proof, so invalid argument.

Come back when you have proof and facts.

Orchard1820d ago (Edited 1820d ago )

I am saying its Sony's fault based on the following facts:

1. Sony/PS are the only platform charging for cross-play. This is confirmed by legal statements made under oath in a US federal court.
2. 2K & Gearbox themselves have said, with regards to Borderlands 3 cross-play, Sony are to blame.

So unless you have any proof that Epic lied under oath, or that the games developer & publisher are lying, I'm sorry to tell you that they are a way more reliable source than you and your speculation.

"'I don't have to prove anything' So you can just go making stuff up then, but try and claim it's true?"

Selective quoting is great, the actual thing I said was I don't have to prove any logic behind why 2K announced cross-play for PS. I have already proven via the above that this is indeed Sony's fault, your blind corporate loyalty doesn't invalidate that proof, sorry.

"It's ALWAYS been policy, thats my point, you claimed actions speak louder, well they have been the most pro active of them all."

Except you just provided an article which shows it hasn't always been policy... You probably shouldn't make points and then immediately contradict yourself with your own sources...

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Mr_Writer851820d ago

@Orchid

"Sony/PS are the only platform charging for cross-play. "

In certain circumstances, you have yet to prove that Borderlands 3 falls into this circumstance.

"2K & Gearbox themselves have said, with regards to Borderlands 3 cross-play, Sony are to blame."

When did they do this? Link to the quote please.

"So unless you have any proof that Epic lied under oath, or that the games developer & publisher are lying"

Where did I say Epic lied? I simply told you what Epic ACTUALLY said, and that was in certain circumstances (maybe Google what that means as you clearly don't know ATM) Sony charge a royalty fee.

Now Fortnite is a live service, which is free to play, and makes ALOT of money of MTX.

Borderlands 3 is not a live service, but please if you have proof that Sony are indeed trying to charge 2K then simply provide it and I will apologies.

But my guess is you don't, I mean if you had actual proof, you could of shut me down ages ago, yet you haven't.

"Except you just provided an article which shows it hasn't always been policy.."

The policy has changed to make the cross play policy adaptable to live services, not cross play in general.

The facts are Sony have been doing cross play since the PS2 era, and are encouraging it to this very day, the only difference we know about, is when it comes to a live service game like Fornite is Sony want to paid a royalty fee.

And you have no proof this isn't the case.

I have no loyalty to Sony, but I do have loyality to calling out speculation trying to be passed off as truth and facts.

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spicelicka676d ago

Damn, the Fallout tactic but reversed..

Inverno676d ago

I am glad the movie is bombin, can we stop making horrible adaptations now?

ChronoJoe676d ago

There have been some good adaptations recently though. I think the Gran Turismo movie is really good and The Last of Us and Fallout TV shows are great too.

If they're going to try, some of them are going to fall short. That's just inevitable. If anything we should encourage more effort so that they learn more about what makes some of these work, while others don't. Honestly I think Borderlands should have been a hit, but I think it would have been much better as an animated show akin to the League of Legends TV show on Netflix.

Inverno675d ago

Yea but the good to bad ratio still leans more to the bad. All the ones you pointed out have been pretty great, can't wait for season 2 of all those shows. With that said, you can't "fall short" unless it's on purpose, in this case it's Borderlands. These characters, the world, the lore is/are fleshed out, there's a ton of source material, there are 7 games!

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Kosic676d ago (Edited 676d ago )

But BL3 is the worst one in the series....should do #2 and experience Handsome Jack

Michiel1989676d ago

there was no actor handsome enough available to play Jack

DustMan676d ago

Nah. Tiny TIna's Wonderland is the worst in my opinion. I enjoyed 3 more than the "pre-sequel" and Tiny Tina's Wonderland.

Dudeson676d ago

Agreed, at least 3 felt like borderlands, gameplay was great, bosses were interesting. Wonderlands was just a turn in the wrong direction, the idea seemed great, but playing through the game just didn't feel like borderlands to me. Also dlc scam.

porkChop676d ago (Edited 676d ago )

My issue with TTW is that it's supposedly a new IP in the Borderlands universe, not just a Borderlands game. Yet it plays and feels just like Borderlands with some magic tacked on. For every cool new idea there's a handful of ideas just rehashed from Borderlands. They really didn't do enough to make it feel like its own thing. It's still just an FPS with guns, except the guns are magical now. Why not focus instead on crazy melee weapons, bows, and magic/spells instead?

Lighter9676d ago

I'd say the pre-sequel because of the low gravity. That was horrible.

porkChop676d ago

In terms of gameplay BL3 is the strongest in the series. It's the narrative that really lets that game down.

ChronoJoe676d ago

Eh...

The story is definitely worse but there's more to these games than that. Gameplay, loot, endgame and build variety is definitely better in 3. I think they did a great job with the game, some of the DLC is fantastic too.

Kosic676d ago

I agree with people are saying. There's sole really good ideas in the games followed by some odd choices. I loved Bl2 , and I liked the presequel because it tries to explain Handsome Jack's downfall (YouTube game theory handsome jack).

Also PreSeq, has this really cool team play where talents could help pick your friends up from bleeding out. Athena throwing her shield if it bounces of a player they are picked up from dying. Head shots Aith the sniper chick etc.

BL3, I cannot get past the annoying social media influences, it's meant to be funny, it's just unbearable. Gameplay feels solid though. But I've not made it past lvl 20 ish on 3 tries. The story does not interest me, the classes are poor and talents feel bland.

gold_drake676d ago

i didnt like 3s sotry villains, like at all.

but i dont think any of the borderlands mainline games were "bad". i nejoyed all of them

but im not part of the community and play them mostly with my friends or alone.

there are worse games rly.

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badz149676d ago

Like they said...a bad publicity is still a publicity

jznrpg676d ago

I totally forgot there was a movie coming out. I’m not a big fan of adaptations mainly because most of them suck and they take away from me playing video games. I didn’t get into Borderlands 3 game. 1 was my favorite 2 was pretty good but a third with more of the same didn’t interest me much to begin with.

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Zenzuu693d ago

Saved you a click.

Among Us
Borderlands 3
NBA 2K24
Need For Speed Unbound
SpellForce III Reforced
Destroy All Humans
Destroy All Humans 2
Trials of Mana

jznrpg693d ago

If you added Among Us and Borderlands 3 to your library they won’t disappear. Not sure if any others were part of essential or not but if they were and you added them to the library they also will still be in your library

OtterX693d ago

Yea, not really a loss since we got them with the Monthly Games. :)