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Epic Games Proposed To Make Sony Look Like Heroes When They Announced Cross-Play For Fortnite

Epic Games offered to make Sony look like heroes when they announced cross-play for Fortnite, new documents have revealed.

Sonyslave31719d ago (Edited 1719d ago )

That 500mil investment get you good pr. Never trust lying tim sweeney again after this news.

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Sonyslave31719d ago

Now we know why the UE 5 was ps5 only.

I think sony should get their legal team ready cause if Apple lose in court they're next.

Nitrowolf21719d ago

Under what bases of suing lol

Sonyslave31719d ago (Edited 1719d ago )

@Nitro im saying epic is going to come at Ms and Sony next, which is why Ms is cutting their 30% on pc and maybe consoles too.

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smashman981719d ago

UE5 isn't ps5 only and never was. However, it was demoed on a ps5 devkit.

smashman981719d ago (Edited 1719d ago )

@darklion This isn't about Apple taking a cut. This is about Apple not allowing other stores on their platform the way android does.

To be clear I don't give a shit about epic but a win from epic in this case would be good for everyone.

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OptimusDK1718d ago

@darklionso what you are saying is that wallmart is the only store in the world...LOL

Hurfs1718d ago

What Apple does is no different than what Walmart does! Really, with Walmart if I do not like the price I can walk next door to another store and buy it there. On IOS I have to use the Apple store an there lies the problem. The EU will put an end to this sooner rather then later, it has already started.

"EU to charge Apple with anti-competitive behaviour this week"
https://www.ft.com/content/...

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Petebloodyonion1719d ago

Just remember that according to some member, it was console Xbox and Switch that was desperate for crossplay
I guess now know who was truly asking for Crossplay.

BlackTar1871719d ago

they are the ones who are desperate for crossplay though lol

Orchard1719d ago

It's clear from the court documents / emails that Epic (and likely other developers) were desperate for crossplay - because they wanted to maximize their player pool and let people play with friends easily etc (and make more money).

No where in the documents does it mention Microsoft or Nintendo pushing for it. That theory has been well and truly debunked now - documents taken via subpoena and/or given under oath in court are about as good as you're going to get.

Orchard1719d ago

Yep... but it was probably obvious to anyone with a brain cell that developers wanted this functionality.

generic-user-name1719d ago

Just because devs wanted it, doesn't mean MS and Nintendo weren't also very eager for it.

"No where in the documents does it mention Microsoft or Nintendo pushing for it. That theory has been well and truly debunked now - documents taken via subpoena and/or given under oath in court are about as good as you're going to get."

And why would MS and Nintendo be mentioned in those documents? It's not even a 'theory', Phil openly said it many times, Nintendo agree to it with Xbox, they even did a 'cute' little trailer for it. Nothing has been debunked here at all.

Orchard1719d ago (Edited 1719d ago )

I doubt MS and Nintendo were against the idea (we know they weren't), but it's clear who the real pressure was coming from - the narrative of 'only MS is pushing cross-play because they need Sony's userbase' has been completely destroyed now - game developers wanted it more than anyone.

"And why would MS and Nintendo be mentioned in those documents?"

MS has already been named in numerous documents that have come out via this court case, and we're only a few hours in. So why would they NOT be mentioned/participants in the cross-play docs too?

In actual fact, if you read the mails, the only person who mentions Microsoft, is Sony. And Epic don't even address their question about Microsoft.

kayoss1719d ago

Actually, MS at one point was pushing for crossplay. It was Sony who didnt want crossplay at the time.

Petebloodyonion1719d ago

@generic-user-name
There's a difference between saying in an interview we have no problem with crossplay or we see the benefit for the players and needing it.
Again I yet to see an article about Nintendo requesting Sony for crossplay or it would benefit Nintendo as a company to have ppl play more Fortenite.

But I can provide articles about Rocket League dev explaining the need for cross-play and Sony denied them (way before Phil Spencer's tweet)
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

I can provide an article about Bethesda threatening Sony about not releasing the game if there was no crossplay
https://arstechnica.com/gam...

And now we have articles about Epic trying to sweeten the deal with Sony for crossplay

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RazzerRedux1719d ago (Edited 1719d ago )

"We really want cross-play system between XB1 and PS4"

"Me 2."
Phil Spencer
https://twitter.com/jalmmv/...

Couple that with all the folks desperately wanting to play Fortnite with "friends" on PS4? Yeah.....that's all I'm going to say about that. Disagree? That's fine too.

Petebloodyonion1719d ago

And yet every time that argument pop up, the only thing you can provide is that great tweet of Phil answering a fan asking about cross play
And ironically the question asked by the fan was directly related to Sony denying Epic.

As for your Xbox fans.and switch care to show us the several article about how they were more desperate compared to the Sony fan that flood Sony’s support page or made some petition online at the time?

RazzerRedux1719d ago

That's all I need to show. You just don't like it. Oh well.

Petebloodyonion1719d ago

Actually, the only thing it shows is exactly how weak your argument is regarding MS or Nintendo being desperate for crossplay when compared to letters from a publisher trying to persuade Sony into changing stance by offering stuff.
Or how weak it is compared to Bethesda threatening to not release a game on PS4 if there's no crossplay
https://arstechnica.com/gam...

So why would I dislike your answer?

Zhipp1718d ago

Devs and players wanted the functionality. Ultimately it was the platform holders providing service to their customers.

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Orchard1719d ago

The fact that Sony tried to cash in on microtransactions performed outside of Playstation / revenue generated from other platforms is worse than what Apple etc. are doing with taking a 30% cut on their own store...

Orchard1719d ago

It just got confirmed in court that this is still policy, and that Nintendo & Microsoft do NOT charge for cross-play:

"Epic CEO Tim Sweeney just confirmed that Sony is the only platform holder that requires Epic to pay compensation for crossplay. Epic had to agree to pay these additional fees to enable crossplay in Fortnite."

Source: https://twitter.com/tomwarr...

chiefJohn1171719d ago

Sony charge for Crossplay? Wow smh

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Silly gameAr1719d ago

Well, that's ok. The media made them look like super villains, so I guess it evens out.

Darkborn1719d ago (Edited 1719d ago )

Yeah, the fact is Sony asked Microsoft 2 gens ago now to allow cross play and Microsoft said no. Then Sony enabled cross play with some games and pc. This past Gen Microsoft had no games and a ton of games were falling apart due to low player counts and asked Sony for cross play and they said nope. I would have done the same thing.

Petebloodyonion1718d ago (Edited 1718d ago )

Care to show us some articles or proof that MS asked Sony or Nintendo asking Sony due to low players count.
And just a question what benefit does playing Rocket League or Fortnite on Xbox1 with Ps4/PC/Switch procure to Microsoft?
Are they making more money from a free-to-play sale?
Does the Ps4 user generate money to MS?
Did it entice the Xbox player into playing more Halo and buying more MTS for the game (meaning more money)?
Did Ps4 users start to buy an Xbox because of crossplay?

S2Killinit1718d ago

I remember this. Very true.

Darkborn1718d ago

Google it. It happened like 10 years ago and no one cared. It was a one day story and that was it. When Microsoft was failing to hit 50 million units shipped which they jsut hit last month, they asked Sony for cross play and everyone and their mom was pissed at Sony for saying no. Why should they say yes when they were turned down and had no incentive to allow it?

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Darkborn1718d ago (Edited 1718d ago )

Bloth I remember hearing about it like a decade ago. If it was fake oh well, but it happened years before Microsoft asked Sony. So don't call me a liar. Tons of other people all say the same thing. The difference is it was a non issue and it wasn't dumped in the news everyday to make Sony the villain. Hell look at this page, multiple people say the same thing. Microsoft denied the request because they didn't need it. And the hacking thing happened from American hackers that were probably anti Sony just to piss off Sony. They did have a worse infrastructure and hashing I believe it was called that wasn't full encryption, but I almost never experienced the "constant DC's" and lag and all that stuff you Xbox fans regurgitate. I almost never experienced in a decade, not being able to login every single day on psn.

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Darkborn1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

@ modo then what's this about?
https://kotaku.com/i-saw-th...

Xbox denied it. To be clear this is just a random thing I found on it since its an old story. I remember clearly this being in gaming news for a day or two and that was it. It was not a super blown up story because the media at the time was pro Microsoft everything and it was blown under the rug. Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't make it false.

https://www.engadget.com/20...
Another one I found.

Also it wasn't just for defence it was for a few other games like DC Universe and stuff that Sony was asking microsoft for cross play. Most of those games were instead cross played with Pc only. The funny thing is, when Microsoft asked Sony for cross play and accused them of hating it, Sony had like 40 games with pc cross play enabled and Microsoft had 1.

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Christopher1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

1. There's no proof that Sony asked for crossplay.
2. There is proof that only Microsoft prevented it.
3. Microsoft said specifically that the reason is because they can't control the other platform and ensure the quality of gameplay.
4. Microsoft has continued to say that they have the best network for online gaming.
5. Microsoft only changed its mind about working with other networks after years of falling behind the PS4, even though, according to their own words, the PSN is not something they could control and is inferior to XBL.

Both sides are getting things wrong and both sides are trying to reword actual statements.

Sony didn't ask, but they didn't stop it. Otherwise Defiance devs wouldn't have specified just Microsoft. This doesn't mean Sony couldn't have prevented it before the game was released, but we'll never know.

Furthermore, Microsoft's reasons for denying it still exist based on their own words of XBL being the best online network for gamers. But they flipped that tune when they saw they couldn't dominate the hardware market and wanted to apply pressure to Sony who ended up doing the same thing Microsoft chose to do.

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