when i see a creative game on the 360 then we can talk. MS copies everything that sony and nintendo do so to me it appears that MS is not supportive of a creative staff

his not from sony, as i read his comment
"OK, it's a one million unit seller - awesome" - everybody's really excited about that, but here at MGS, every game that we're putting out, you've really got to put a focus on making sure it's AAA from a quality perspective."
that sounds a lot like how sony are doing things.
but innovative..no not really..just look at lips.
gears of war was not the first to use the cover system( they may be the most succesful, but still not the first) it was killswitch

This is a joke, MS has copied basically everything they have going by their own logic.

And the BoTs support it
Losers

oh the irony

...Someone at Microsoft needs a quick, swift kick in the teeth because this is f*cking annoying now.

And here we go with the 360 fanboys smacking disagree buttons and running like cowards. You will support Microsoft no matter what they say. Wow, talk about loyalty up the buttocks.

Oh man, how blind can a company be? Even the Xbox fans will disagree with him

More PR bunk. That's what these people do.

This is mindless flaimbait. There is nothing more childish than fighting over who copied who. To take established concepts and make it better is called progression, not copying. Everybody does it, otherwise we would still be nowhere technology wise.

Hence LBP Right???

This industry was built upon copying. Lets get that straight. Its a good thing too, that way nobody end up having to reinvent the wheel, if something like Gears's cover system is en vogue, why not use it?

i wonder if this guy has a midget tap dancing on his tongue with sh*t on his shoes.

i think he spoons with his xbox....lol

anyways,peace and game on

Sony is in the SH*T Hole they can't even hardly pay their own staff and all this DUE to PS3 CONSOLE .I've also heard Sony has asked Microsoft for a Substantial Financial LOAN $$$ i don't think their will be a ps4 thats what i think.

lol RB6 had cover system long b4 GoW
Singstar lol lips fails
name 1 game that got somthing new
+ H3 looks crap

Is this article actually serious? Sony is all about innovation and creativity.

*palmface*

LMFAO

how can I even comment with a straight face...

LOL

I think anyone should not listen to a guy from EA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

Wow that guy was full of it lol

Media molecule left lionhead, a microsoft studio to go to sony? :\

Sony, MS and Nintendo copy, from console features to games etc.

Holy sh*t! I started laughing so hard I shot some of my morning coffee out my nose! I guess Media Molecule isn't creative enough? Although I can see how Gears 2 is so original and creative... you know the whole shoot aliens and duck behind cover thing. LOL! This has got to be linked on Joystiq.com because it is definately comedy for gamers!

Lmao... no.

Should I laugh or cry ? This article is so dumb!

Wasnt there also a cover system in the game Reservoir Dogs for the Ps2 i remember that - so i guess that makes Ms copy cats

But thats ok Ms are aloud to do that but if any1 else copys Ms will damn them all to hell

:-P

Edit. @ Sheddi - do both brother its a very pathetic article but i wouldnt expect any thin less from Ms

John Romero part 2 or something?

Wow, just wow! How can anybody say that Sony does not encourage creative expression? Sorry, but this guy is pure silliness!

He sounds like he started Fanboy Class 101 just last week. LightingPS3 still suck in 1st grade in that class, looks like he'll have a friend

comming from the company that steals everything. buys early rushed release dates and has never made a game themselves, very creative tho waving money around. lol MS innovative, lol!

What a bullshit article. Nowhere in the article did anyone from Microsoft say anything at all about Sony. This is just some lame site looking for hits. Pathetic =/

Its actually a complete joke. I for one think that even though Gears is a good game, I still think its overrated. Also, the cover system works, but its not nearly as good as Rainbow six Vegas's cover system. Have any of you actually even played Gears of War? Have any of you tried to run away from something trying to kill you yet you slide into cover because the retards at Epic use the A button to practically do everything? You press the A button to run, jump over things, take cover, and slide. Its retarded. There is nothing innovating about that. R6V FTW!

I'm speechless. I am without speech.

I think he's a bit misguided. Of course their are many ways to innovate...and it doesn't require a title to be 100% "fresh". If any of you think that you are all for COMPLETE innovation...just take a look at the sales numbers for Mirror's Edge...which is still rooted in classic platform gameplay. In fact, for the most part...we all want some familiarity in our games...FLOW for the PSP is fun...but it's not creating a new genre that Dev's want to explore en masse.
Anyhow, he talking from his expirence.
Also, Cliffy B...while kind of a loud mouth, has openly admitted to being inspired and influenced by killswitch. My personal opinion is that Epic has added and altered enough to warrant the praise for the cover system they developed, but it was inspired by killswitch.
Lastly, Wii....Sony...MS...they all improve on ideas created by fellow dev's and each other. It's fanboyish to down-talk any of the systems for this. This is how we evolve our games into masterpieces like MGS4 or Zelda or Gears 2....would you rather a system where a developer was only ever allowed to create a game once? Where developers were screened before having their games published to determine that they had never played a video game ever - so that naturally their creation would be unique? Simply obsurd now isn't it.

-DA_Shredder....I personally like Gears 2 cover system better. But i see your point. If you like these types of games (cover)- keep an eye out for WANTED....gameplay vids look amazing! And they are promising a fast cover system, where it's important to use cover to confuse your enemies. Kinda sounds like an excuse for dumb AI...but I'll wait to see actual demo gameplay.

I cant praise a company that uses noobish controls just to get the average gamer to get accustomed to the controls easily. Epic should assign every control to different buttons. Using the A button to do everything is something I would expect from nintendo games. There were last gen games that had better controls. I could go on about every little thing that pisses me off about gears. This is just one of the things. Only retards and children would praise the control scheme in Gears.

M$ always copy, they never have original ideas, just take the NXE avatars, they stole them from Nintendo.

Microsoft is the worst company out there.

Then they really are hopeless.

I love Gears, but Gears didn't do anything innovative.....at all.

There are no more original ideas left, everything is borrow and enhanced.

Even Mirrors Edge is just a combination of two genres fused together to create something unique.

Also you can't expect a creative to design a game without being inspired and influenced by games from the past... otherwise the industry would stand still and never advance.

Games which feel fresh / unique or original are of just inspired by other mediums other than gaming. GTA & Resident Evil 1 as examples.

Although I wish he'd talk more about what inspired him in creating Gears or past games he's work on. As long as he continues to 'try'and be innovative (regardless of weather I think gears is innovative or not) I do commend him for his efforts in game design, and if more designers were as dedicated as him to push the boundaries of gaming, we would all enjoy more great games.

Avatars are not NEW...my god. Second life comes to mind first - but I'm sure their are earlier examples.

Noob controls....one button for many things....well, that's all down to taste. It works...and you've never heard a review complain about it...in fact you are the first person DA_Shredder I've heard this from. Doesn't make it invalid, but I think the system is fine...room for improvement certainly, but it ain't bad.

I'm guessing from your tone and response that you'll hate the new POP...forgive me if I'm wrong. Sometimes, things don't need to be more difficult for the sake of it.

I'd have added a seperate button to remove myself from cover in Gears...but that's me.

Oh no they di'int! *finger snap*

What are you guys talking about.

Lips is the most innovative, creative, original game I ever seen in my life....

For some reason when I hear MS supporting creative staff I imagine a dungeon with a huge man banging a drum and below soldiers walking around whipping staff to get work done and a giant picture of Bill Gates on the wall lit by Torches.

"Where there's a whip there's a way! I don't wanna go to war today - but the Master spire says nah nah nah"

Seriously sony or some company should put Microsoft in their place. They always think their the hot Sh!t.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
enough said

that is just complete and shear idiocy. Sony isn't supportive of creativity and Microsoft is? Well Microsoft is very creative with finding how many different ways to steal IPs so they don't have to develop their own. Their absolutely great at shutting down studios that were full of creativity and developing good games (ensemble, bungie, etc.). Their operating systems are just to die for (or rather to die as a result from). But their is always Banjo-kazzoo.....oh wait that was a ratchet and clank rip-off. Well their is always the Xbox NXE...oh wait that's a wii and home rip-off that they rushed out before everything else to make it appear as if they were innovating. They are absolutely creative in finding ways to totally destroy the gaming industry with their fat wallets and arrogant PR. I love it. I absolutely love it.

SHAMELESS....

they must of just realized it takes 2 xboxes to equal 1 ps3 sale.
They must be scrambling having just figured out that this gen includes the ps2 & psp as well.

They also, must have seen some quatum theory & uncharted 2 gameplay. Sony has been kicking your a$$
in the games division with not just 1 but with 3 consoles.

Currently: I'm playing syphon filter combat ops over a wi-fi connection in this online only multiplayer for
psp. Thanx Sony : )

Steal all you want. As long as we get awesome games and give credit where it deserves to go then Im all for borrowing ideas. Cliffy thinks hes god when it comes to shooters and I just shake my head in disbelief. I still think Unreal tournament is better then Gears. It just needed a story and a more stable connection online. Im so sick of the gaming industry. I just want more games, I dont care on what system.

learn how to read, spell & prounounce SONY.

Sony won't acknowledge you, so you have to learn to lie
your a$$ off. Don't worry, Sony won't even waste time debunking your stories. They are busy
being in competition with themselves to care.

You must learn how to write checks from the xboxlive membership account. We must convince American media &
its fools that dlc is better than a whole new game.

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Two words:
Media Molecule

shut your mouth Micrsoft, all bullsh*t again. The only way for them to have sucess is to copy and talking against Sony.

Patapon, LittleBigPlanet, Shadow of the Collosus, Linger in the Shadows, Ecochrome, Flower, EyePet, FolkLore (You're actually wrestling spirits out using motion controls)...

MS with LIPS, Mii too avatars, Halo 2.5, Gears 1.5... Give me a break. I'm not saying MGS doesn't innovate, but to call Sony not innovative and open minded enough is a joke.

Not being a fanboy I have to say that all Microsoft does is chats about other companies in a bad way. They always say that their competitions copies them, they make the best innovative games.

Microsoft even said that Miis are a copy of avatars and that Nintendo has copied them.

Did Nintendo reply to that comment ??
No it didnt.

Why ?

Because all of those articles are total bull.... which was made up by someone that doesnt even work for the company, and is trying to bring out another fanboy war over this topic.

Those companies respect eachother. Microsoft knows that SONY creates good titles.. If it wasnt for SCE, there wouldnt be Final Fantasy, Tekken, Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil - and many more great titles.

Im my opinion, this article was made up.

Both companies try they best.

Microsoft goes for price cuts, SONY goes for creating great titles such as Killzone 2 in order to persuade people to buy their console.

That how SCE works, if they cant reduce the price, they will make sure that PS3 gets the best titles..

And because of competition between those 2 companies, WE GAMERS get the best games. It like a war between Microsoft and SONY.

Well done to Microsoft for a 5 player private chat, and cross game invite system. I like that ;)

Peace

lol very fun

Way to twist the headline into something the story never says =)

Original headline "Interview: Microsoft's Kudo Tsunoda"

He never mentions anything about Sony. This is what he says:

"MGS is really nurturing and supportive of creative people, so it's like, why the heck would I not want to come and work here?"

How does that translate into "Microsoft: Sony is less supportive of creative staff"?

WHY DO STORIES LIKE THIS ONE GET APPROVED?

I've never thought a company can put up such a bold lie like this

Sony has innovated more within the industry than ms ever has.

Sony has more unconventional, out of the ordinary games. Look at eye of judgment, Time Crisis, Eyepet, Heavy Rain, the Pixel Junk series, Linger in the Shadows, Little Big Planet, Echochome and more.

Not to mention Sony was the first to introduced the detailed car simulators like Gran Turismo. Which MS copied with Forza. Sony is the one that made the Karaoke game profitable and real with Singstar. Which MS copied with Lips. Sony is the one that began the cartoon-style golf game in Hot shots Golf, which both MS and even Nintendo themselves followed behind. And nobody but sony has Guncon on their consoles.

I'm sure I'm missing a few. But the point I'm making is that Sony is FAR more supportive of creativity than MS will probably ever be.

And no MS isn't creative for Gears of War. Most of you don't realize that Gears cover system is actually copied from the ps2 games from last gen. Killswitch and Winback. In fact, Gears didn't invent the over the shoulder view either. That was started in Resident Evil 4.

To be fair though, I'm not actually knocking MS for copying. But I am knocking them statement of them being more supportive of creativity than Sony. Even the most Hardcore of MS fans can't believe such a falsehood

Wait what? Didn't found such statement in the text...

I don't respect people in the industry who don't recognize the innovation and creativity of their fellow devs, while in the process advertising their own product.

Kill.Switch.
Hell, wanna talk about WINBACK?!

This is why I don't respect MS, despite the positive influence they have been via their efforts on XBL.

Insomniac Games
Media Molecule
Naughty Dog
Kojima Productions

Are those studios creative enough?

Lips...end of discussion

I hope hes jokin... when i read the title i just go WTF? i mean microsoft is not creative in any way? fable 2 is creative before u point that out (its probably awesome aswell but still wont make me buy an X360)if SONY wouldnt be supportive of creative staff then LBP would never exist?(for ps2 titles like SOTC..)
dont get me wrong even if i only own a ps3 im not saying x360 and wii are bad consoles but they dont offer what i want
kikizo... open ur eyes

Yeah they dont support creative stuff? That's why we have LittleBigPlant. That's why almost every 1st party game this generation has been a new IP and not a sequel. That's why we have great PSN games like Pixel Junk and Echochrom.

Yeah I think this guy either doesn't play or read anything or he just needs to shut his mouth.

Why go on about sweet f*ck all, Ya all know Sony has always been the front runner and always will be.
MS is just trying backhanded ways of getting ahead, like copying the MII's from nintendo for their "stolen" miiplaza/home gimmick in X-live it's sad.
Also robbing sony from their exclusives...what does that say about MS?
Hypocritical

LMAO they stole macs for thier buisness

they steal games (not like i care)

they constantly talk trash about sony because theyre scared

NXE IS INNOVATION!!!!LMAO XD

how about that 7 year old controller love pulling the trigger errrrr bumbers for all these new fps ... the innovations are astounding....

This story should never have been approved, the headline is totally misleading, and was drawn purely to get controversy and flamebait, to generate an inflated "hot" rating at any means while ignoring accuracy and integrity. The lunatics are running the asylum, N4G moderation need to step up, and begin detracting scores and bubbles for such detrimental behaviour.

Those who approved this article have done N4G a disservice. The article barely touches upon Sony, Sony is never mentioned by the interviewee, the comparison is never made.

Kikizo simply ask the guy why he went to Microsoft, and he expresses his opinion that MGS was the best place for him (obvious, given that he works here).

It is unsurprising, given the flawed flamebait headline, that the comments thread shows up a lot of people having not read the article at all.

YEAH-RIGHT

oh come on, sony back there developers so much! especaily those developing for PSN network

It is a well known fact how close sony like to work with them

Microsoft on the otherhand.. christ now there letting ANYONE do it, litraly, bring on community games.

And will please, ANYONE point out one game on the 360 that is more creative than say LittleBigPlanet

M$ is a joke anyways.

I usually don't join in on these kinds of discussions but such blatant lies coming from the man who help make Def Jam: Icon which ruined the series, he needs to shut up and focus on his job.

Microsoft

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Microsoft definitely supports idiots..

points at M$ - HAHAHAHA

points at XMEN - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

he looks like he's 50 trying to be 20 has he even worked with sony?

Why do people still support this company and then bash Sony?

I don't understand, their bull knows no end.

Halo...........no there first party dosent have anything anymore..

Hrm, Funny I read this whole article and I see not one mention of Sony in the whole thing. Nice flamebait.

hmm, let's see...

Ico
Shadow of the Colossus
flOw
flower
Fat Princess
Little Big Planet
EyePet
Pixel Junk Eden

should i go on?

Ico BOMBED commercially. instead of dissolving the studio (like Capcom did with Clover), Sony backed them, and they produced Shadow of the Colossus, which went on to critical AND commercial acclaim.

"Sony is less supportive of creative staff."

that's why they close down talented studios like Ensemble, right? oh, wait...

Microsoft, please just shut the f*ck up and work on fixing your lackluster first and second party support. 7 studios just aren't enough, when your competition is boasting 24 1st and 2nd party studios.

f*cking PR pricks. i hate them all (PR folks for ALL companies, not just MS).

They are either talking about microsoft here or they are lying

It's the opposite. MS lost at least one known indy game to Sony because they tried to control it. Sony is very flexible with some of it's first party and all of it's second party developers. It doesn however take control of some of it's more junior shops.

If microsoft were so supportive of the development studios, why did Bungie want to split from them?

my educated guess's are...

Pressure from Microsoft to release Halo on tight deadlines when it suited Microsoft rather then when the game was ready?

Bungie wanted to branch out and work on a new ip or maybe reinvent an old ip but Microsoft aren't interested in that.

Either way it's not like we're seeing lots of studios flourishing under Microsoft at the moment. Just Look at Rare! under Nintendos umbrella they were one of the best developers out there. None we have to keep our fingers crossed when they release a game that it's actually any good.

Another example is Rockstars relationship with Microsoft... Microsoft claim GTA DLC will be out before Xmas Rockstar Says otherwise, I know this is resolved now, but it always appeared MS were trying to pull the strings here, I just think Rockstar were too big a company for MS to take control of.

All Speculation here, just some of my thoughts on the subject.

This arogant twit is spewing PR BS.
Whenever MS says something in the console industry it is to spew some comment on their competitors. Sony rarely makes a comment on MS.

My god, one of the worst comments ever.

Little Big Planet is one of the most creative games ever release - fully backed up by Sony. Most PSN games are orginal, XBox live are just re-hashed classics. I think we all know the truth, but M$ seem to pollute/infect the dumb witted.

He didn't say that Sony is less creative than MS. All he said was: Out of everywhere, I felt like this was the best place...

He just said MS is the best, which is expcted of him cuz he works there. Every company says that sort of stuff, the title is flame baiting.

Besides, for me, true innovation is to take a genre, or a game, and radically change it for the better, or invent a new genre. I think Sony has done some like Valkyria Chronicle and LBP. I think MGS4 was innovative compared to the rest of the MGS series. It changed everything, and definitely innovated the stealth action genre to the next level. I see more innovations with Sony like Flower, Flow, Pixeljunk Eden, Pain, Home, and Heavy Rain.

But MS is innovative somewhat. Gears's stop and pop was an innovation for all shooters, but that's about it.

Daft, self harming words made worse by an unrepresentative article. So much of this interview must still be in the guys dictaphone and the rest is cut up. I still think a lot of what was said doesn't stand up to ANY scrutiny but it can't have been meant to come across as that stupid . And there is such a thing as bad publicity-ask Gary Glitter.

Did anyone else realize that this is the same idiot who made that peace of trash DEF Jam Icon (worst in the series I might add) and said it would max out PS3 and 360? How can anyone take him seriously ... without being high on something like him?

freaken PR talk.. comedy

micro doesnt innovate?

nxe... netflix on a console isnt innovative? xbox was the 1st console with a built in hdd thats not innovative. live isnt innovative? it's been done before yea, but not to this level. party chat, cross play with console and pc, chat even in different games.

micro innovated alot in the short 2 gens it's been in. why does it hurt so much to give credit when it's do? sony fanatics.

you probably wouldnt even have psn if it wasnt for live. we all know sony last gen wasnt into online full force like it is now. thats why they are always patching and updating psn every other week they started fully supporting online play this gen, micro proved to them that ppl want online play.

How is this the title of this article? One guy that works at MS that used to work at EA, and they asked why he went to work for MS as opposed to Sony or somewhere else, and he said why. No where did he put Sony down or anything like that.

This is pure flamebait and N4G moderators are doing a pathetic job.

And it shows how someone can twist the article title and how the twist dispenses multiple Phoenix Downs across the dead droid army and gives them there only reason of living and that is "something to bash and exaggerate".

for games and especially live/online gaming microsoft are the most innotive this gen.without question.just wish sony could sort psn in game chat cos it never works.

All I'm hearing is pr talk.

Microsoft is always talking crap!

Microsoft: Gears (Epic, stolen from killswitch), Lips (singstar ripoff), Scene It! (not even theirs), Braid (coming to PS3), that sh!tty developer kit everyone thinks is like LBP, ummmuhhummuhhh "let's try be like PS2 as much as possible with our Xbox and fail HORRIBLY at it"

Yeah, MS, home of innovation.

pp talking there. Might be his alter-ego.

LOOOOOOOL at nanosoft!

I think it's funny how one man can suddenly represent an entire multinational corporation. A lot of people posting here need to stop stereotyping MS as "the corporate machine" that needs to be taken down and realize that probably both Sony and MS have their own great support teams for the first party publishers. Relax a little people.

Sony continues to innovate via their hardware and some games while MS has innovated via XBL and some games. Wouldn't life be boring without watching movies on their console (thanks Sony)? Wouldn't life be boring playing home alone without Xbox Live?

Please stop talking about the minor stuff (Gears=Killswitch...by the way, LBP to me is a more creative sidescroller *coughMariocough*) and please get back on to the big picture and be thankful that these corporations are fighting for your dollars and making much larger innovations than many naively believe.

On a good note, enjoy your creative fun games. I know I love Gears 2 and playing LBP is so much fun with 3 friends. Thank you both Sony and MS.

... and this suprises all of you because...?

This is obviously someone sucking up to their employer. To me it seems like Sony gives their developers much more creative freedom and is willing to take more risks with quirky games.

Sony green lit Ueda to make Shadow of the Collosus after ICO bombed, they allowed San Diego studio to make a sequel to Mark of the Kri. For those alone they win. Microsoft seems to pressure developers to release games during convenient times rather than when they are finished. No doubt in my mind they would have pressured Kojima to cram MGS4 before the 07 holiday season, and it wouldn't have been as highly polished as it was. (see Fable 2, Mass Effect, NG2, Lost Odyssey which all could have used a few more months in development to polish out technical issues)

wow page found by a sony fanboy they attack in hordes, you guys must love your system since all you ever do is troll the 360 forums, must suck having such a great system and never playing it.
-nai-

In Paying off Companies such as Square-enix, Namco Bandai, and few i didnt mention.

THis is coming from a company that has just closed down Ensemble, the Ones responsible in making the RTS Genre more creative (Example, look at the latest Age of Empires).

Expect Microsoft to Rip the hell off of Little big planet Next year and wait till they give their PR speech that states that they are the most creative SoBs on the face of this planet with this LBP ripoff, and watch it flop on launch day, Just like Lips, Just like You're in the Movies, and Just like Scene it, which are the rip offs to Singstar, The Eyetoy, and Buzz.

So much for his "innovation"...he tried to incorporate his analog-stick-controlled fighting mechanics he developed for Fight Night into Def Jam, and what we got was a clumsy mess and a worthless fighter in Def jam: Icon.

That pile of sh!t game cost Tsunoda his job, as well as being personally responsible for the closing of EA Chicago because of the flop sales.

They had to abbreviate there game design studio after one of the best playstation game series...

MGS = Metal Gear Solid
MGS = Microsoft Game Studio

So, you dont copy the competitors, do you M$? /end sarcasm

Please read the article. A lot of you didn't and it shows.

I liked that the interview was informative on Tsunoda's move to MGS. However, I believe whoever submitted the title (it surely wasn't kikizo, right?) shows a perfect example of yellow journalism.

It's utter sensationalism. Nowhere in the interview does the man state that Sony is "less supportive". He merely estimates MGS to be the most supportive option.