This week the podcast crew discusses Darwin’s Paradox, South of Midnight, and games on the horizon.
Cyberpunk 2077 on PS5 Pro delivers strong ray tracing upgrades, though PC maintains an advantage in global illumination and path tracing.
PC max settings with path tracing will always be better but for a console that is super impressive.
It isnt though is it? Beat its performance costing 900. Saying that, beat its performance costing 699 like it was when we all bought it. You likely won't get near.
Except almost no one playing on PC has all the parts it takes to play it at that level. Not to mention the electricity bill that comes with running a PC like that(I should know).
Agreed. Considering the only way you’ll best the $1,000 PS5 Pro visually is with a $2,000 PC with a 5080 series or higher GPU. I’d say it’s a bargain if you want stable high end performance.
@BeHunted You have NOT checked pricing lately. Please excuse my Wall of text here., The PS5 Pro, youre going to want essentially a 4060/5060 to get in the ballpark, and the ps5 pro has a 2tb 5g/sec SSD. So you go buy a cheap 50 dollar case, a 75 dollar power supply, a controller to play with maybe? so we dont have any electronics and we are at ... 150-175 bucks. The 2tb SSD is going to be 150 bucks MINIMUM by itself, for a cheap brand, lets assume youre happy with that. SO now we are at ... 300? We dont have anything that actually runs games yet. Lets get a system board , Ultra budget... 125 bucks? I dont know if you can find one with Wifi for that money but.... You MAY find one that cheap or open box, again we dont care about quality lets just go balls to the wall cheap. 425 bucks and now we have a system board and storage. Lets fine the cheapest CPU that makes any sense and will be ok playing games + overhead. ... I assume you dont mean used equipment here. Lets cheat. Lets use a bundle off newegg. Cheapest CPU a 7600x- this is fine for games../.. other PC guys may snicker but it is going to work. We are already deep into compromise. On sale bundle discounted board at 149 plus 20 dollar coupon, has wifi. Great. Now legs buy the bare min memory keeping in mind we have to run the OS/ STEAM or whatever other stuff in the background. 16 probably will run HORRIBLE but we could try and lets go with the cheapest, slowest memory you can get, DDR5 5200 . 16gb of it, this after overhead will give you something like what youd have on a PS5 pro, just dont leave a bunch of stuff open in the background and hope the devs optiomized. Ok so here we are.. That combo with the cheapest PSU I could find on newegg, and a cheap case ,and all the discounts ....So thats a Case, PSU motherboard CPU and slow ram and a cheap 2tb SSD (I didnt take the ones I saw.. I cant beleive they are that much I chose a 1tb SSD which will be half as much as the PS5 pro has... for 250 bucks but you can probably get a cheap and slower one for the same price and have 2tb) is 900 dollars. I didnt buy a CPU cooler I am just hoping it would come with one, and I didnt include the cost of a keyboard and mouse here. And most computers dont use optical drives, and dont have physical games so really....so we are good there. However we have a problem. at 900 bucks we dont have a GPU yet. Or an OS. So if you get your OS somehow super cheap maybe you score a 30 dollar key somewhere, ok, lets call this 950- I am being generous. Now we need a video card. So tell me, because we could make arguments all day about WHICH video card will give you PS5 pro performance. we have exceeded the cost of a PS5 pro in spite of going as cheap as we could- we have no covered the cost of shipping all these because lets hope its all on free shipping.. .we have not talked about the higher initial cost means more sales tax , or the fact that now you need to assemble all this from different makers and assume NOTHING will go wrong with any of it or youll be RMAing shit for weeks So we can ignore video card and its already more expensive. The cheapest video card to get you playing will be 350 bucks plus,. which is half the cost of the PS5 pro basically by itself. I know its CRAZY to rant like this but. what you need to know is after you dump these 1300 dollars , assemble it and get it running, the 1300 dollar pC is not the PC thats going to run full path tracing and look so much better than PS5 pro... its the PC to match it....at best
"and the ps5 pro has a 2tb 5g/sec SSD"
*with hardware compression that speeds this up to as much as 9.4gbps, keeping pace with some Gen5 SSDs, for far cheaper. A comparable SSD for PC alone will set you back over $200.
fr0sty, even if we're to keep believing that a compression algorithm on a 5gbps drive were to make up the difference to faster gen4/gen5 drives, I can tell you as it stands now, the SSD is not the main loading bottleneck, it's usually the CPU (you have to DO something with all that data after all). Generally cross platform games will load faster on a PC than PS5 irrespective of the SSD (so long as it's at least gen3 nvme speeds) with very few exceptions. I've not seen a game loading situation on PC where having gen3 speeds is notably worse than gen5 speeds. We're talking at best with a ripper CPU a difference of a second or so to load into a game, from 4 seconds to 5 or something. If you want to point to something that PS5 doesn't have to worry about it's the shader compilation step that always takes ages the first time or when you get new drivers.
Naturally it is, that's why it says PC has the edge. But then you're paying 3 times as much. Both have their benefits.
But with everything "maxed" out (path tracing etc) 99% of pcs struggle to maintain a solid frame rate. Face it with the heavy use of ai going forward alot of the visual differences pcs players have enjoyed will continue to diminish going forward.
Path tracing CP2077 looks unbelievably good IMO. It's one of the few games I accept a big resolution trade-off to play with it turned on with decent framerates (down to 1440p with DLSS and above 50fps to get into g-sync territory). I'm playing on an RTX 3080, which will set you back about $400 secondhand these days.
Isn't really fair to compare new Pro costs with second hand PC parts. With that comparison PS5 Pro used is 500 ish
Sure, fair enough. When the pro first came out secondhand wasn't really an option but looks like there's a few about already. you'll get path tracing with a used 3080 or 4070 and they're definitely around. You don't HAVE to be some rich guy to play PC gaming like is constantly expressed on this site (that the barrier to entry to PC gaming is 2000 or 3000 USD or some nonsense like that). There are affordable ways in.
I wish when anyone does performance comparison videos of consoles vs PCs, they would include the cost of that said PC they are testing it on. As a non-tech person, I know how much a PS5 (Pro), Xbox Series and Switch 2 cost but no idea on the PC side. It doesn't make sense to do a comparison between two products where one is $450-$700 range ($900 now with the new price increase for the pro) vs PC that cost who know how much.
I did the math to get into the ballpark to Match a PS5 pro, not including anything fancy, and not trying to match its storage size because SSDs are so expensive right now... 1300-1500 if you take advantage of bundle pricing. It will still consume a lot more power, and be bigger and louder than the PS5, but it is , arguably more versatile. The PCs that stomp a ps5 pro are over 2000, perhaps more like 2500 depending on non-game oriented components like the size of the storage as an example because M.2 ssds are crazy right now, 5x+ their previous price even for the same models in some case.
Your calculations are seriously wrong. I did one the other day, in Australia a PC that would stomp a ps5 pro is about $2000aud which is about $1400usd, and that was with a 9070xt which has roughly 3 times the raw performance of the PS5 Pro GPU. And that price is only because of the expensive RAM and SSD. And you can still make a PC that beats a PS5 pro for the price of a ps5 pro. You have to make sacrifices, you probably won't put in a 2tb ssd at the moment, stick with 1 until the prices return to sanity then add another. but it can be done.
It's the RAM that's the real killer at the moment. I bought 16gb of 6000mt DDR5 for 89AUD 6 months ago. Today it's 389AUD for the same. And there's no real getting around it you need at least that much RAM. To make a PS5 Pro beater for the same price I had to go back to AM4/DDR4 to get RAM that at least was only 2x the old price instead of 4x. Hopefully the recent news of OpenAI falling through on their gobbling up of memory stock will translate into a return to normalcy soon enough. That and the new open sourced AI compression google came out with lowering memory requirements.
I'd really be interested in seeing the PC that beats the Pro at 900 with new parts. Tbh I'm using 900 sparingly, no ones buying it at that when its been 600 odd for over a year. Making a PC to beat it at that price is impossible. I'd actually like to see the 9070xt build too tbh given that card is over 4 figures alone then you need the rest of the build at like 900 aus
Sure. You can get a 9070xt for 890AUD currently. They've come down heaps. So yes you're correct with the rest of the build costing $1000aud or so gets you to the about 2000aud I mentioned. The PS5 Pro has had a price bump to $1399AUD. Definitely doable to put in a better CPU and GPU than a PS5 Pro for that, doesn't take much considering how weak the Pro is.
Here's the spreadsheet
https://limewire.com/d/4njJ...
In other news, that new Honda civic has impressive performance but falls short of the Lamborghini.
Yeah... now imagine the civic was not only better on gas, and cheaper to insure (power consumption, ease of setup and warranty) but at 1/4 the price got you 70% of the outcome .... obviously you arent going to get laid in the civic- however in this case the reverse is true, probably hunched over a PC in a corner in a bedroom your girlfriend is not going to be that happy about the 3000 dollar RGB monstrosity youre obsessed with.
Push Square: "Cyberpunk 2077 is effectively a must-play on PS5 Pro. The ray-traced modes have left us thoroughly impressed, bringing an entirely new sense of visual depth to an already outstanding open world."
Replies(6)PS5 Pro showing its well worth the investment, it’s nice to have a capable console option and I really wouldn’t have minded is series X had gotten a soft refresh too. I was actually hoping it would but it only got the 2 TB upgrade.
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Since I will not be getting a PS5 Pro, I have started a list of games that I will play on PS6, that will run the PS5 Pro version (or native PS6 if updated) at the best possible resolution and frame rates. This is one of them.
Still love how I picked up a physical PS4 disc of this at Best Buy for $10 a few weeks after launch because of how bad it was on PS4. The physical disc came with a ton of stuff too, like a map of night city and postcards.
No game is for everyone. It doesn’t matter what it is. But that doesn’t make it a bad game. Just not your taste. GTA is super popular but I’ve never played one for more than 5 minutes. That doesn’t make it a bad game just not my taste.
Here are the entire patch notes since the author couldn't bother to include the PC specific note:
Hotfix 1.06 is available on PC and consoles! Here is the full list of changes:
Quests
Dum Dum will no longer go missing from Totentanz entrance during Second Conflict.
Console-specific
Improved memory management and stability, resulting in fewer crashes.
PC-specific
Removed the 8 MB save file size limit. Note: this won’t fix save files corrupted before the update.
https://www.cyberpunk.net/e...
What size is this one for consoles please?
Still wont heal the scars this blasphamy of a glichy game gave gamers. 13 million running on pure hype.
sounds like a claim to win)
This "release now fix later" attitude has got to end. No other entertainment medium takes this approach. Gamers are not stupid.