its not even about how great games look

and its not because of blueray

what blueray does allow is this

SIZE OF THE GAME
size is not just MAPS or online rooms

its all the little things

over time there will be a VERY long list of games that could not be done on anything other then a PS3! In 5 years it will all have become clear even to the most brainwashed fanboy

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hey davis
shove that up ur a$$
this is what i see and tell me if im wrong
Games that hold alot of info...like Mass Effect Fallout Fable...games like these. The suffer from frame rate issues and tons of bugs and loading issues.
Now im not a game maker but i would think that stuff all comes from compresion and lack of space. The more space the more room to improve on the little things! Graphics are now a small part of a good game! They only matter to the fanboys

I don't know how this came up in a discussion, I think it's because most of us know Blu ray is not nessecarily needed to make a good looking game so they thro this at PS3 fanboys knowing it is hardly debatable. LOL

blu ray makes games look better but it's a small piece in what makes the game actually look good. the graphics aren't because of blu ray but for hd you need blu ray (compared to dvd)

Of coure not,

neither blu-ray or DVD have anything to do with how good it looks, Blu-Ray is simply superior because it can hold A-LOT more data.

If you go into HOME expecting a Sims game you will be dissapinted.
If you go into HOME wanting to socialize with your friends, hang out in a bowlong ally, invite them over to your space, and play LBP then you will be satisfied.

It is a place to meet new people and hanging out with friends. You get to learn more about them through looking at their space and their appearance.

It may feel like HOME doesn't have much to do at first, but it is FREE and acts as a place for an expanding community.

Anyone remember the game Rage? Although Blu-ray doesnt allow the game to look better, it allows storage for textures etc. If Microsoft doesnt take the royalties off them having a 3rd DVD, some of the textures in the game on the 360 will be bland in comparison to on the PS3. So although it doesnt allow games to look better, it allows storage for what the game needs to produce such textures etc.

Hopefully someone can better explain this than me.

BluRay is a format. Yes you can store more, but that doesn't equate to longer games or better graphics instantly. That comes from development time, money, and talent.

Yes, that's why 98% of multiplatform games look better on 360.

who ever thinks blue ray has anything to do with how good a game looks is stupid hands down in the end its down to the develipor to make the game look good and blue ray has more data storage thats its only advantage for games people can argue but it does 1080p ect ect hi xbox has some 1080p games and thats using dvd's [so the point its up to a develipor to make games look good not a disk and anyone who thinks other wise is stupid

"Blu Ray does not make graphics better"

No,only with teh cell and 4D graphics can the PS3 defeat all at 120 FPS

Believe in teh cell!!!11!!!1!!11!

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LMAO

too bad that number is completely incorrect. Do some research and then come back with a fact not a made up number.

And by better games, if you mean slightly better detailed graphics on one system vs. the other than that doesn't count. Not every gamer or consumer is a fanboy paying attention to small unimportant details like that.

No one ever said that.

Blu-Ray just allows to put more stuff in the game without having to change discs.

I wondered how long it would take for pp to create another account.

EDIT - Is this actually pp? Is he being sarcastic?

It goes both ways. Graphics look better b/c of the hardware and the storage medium. By having Blu-Ray, the PS3's Cell processor is allowed to perform graphical enhancements while not worrying about trying to uncompress data. So it does help both ways. That's why Sony made the system the way they did.

its obvious that it cant make a graphical difference per say. Can it make games better? Yes IF used right. If anybody thinks ALL consoles wont have a bigger format next gen then they really have their heads in the sand.

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graphics are for aesthetics, the eye-catcher, the immersion-factor along with the sound.

gameplay comes down to how the designers design the gameplay, like designing options for the players to chose from..

what the blu-ray does is just providing a bigger box for the designers to put more creativity in it.

low-res pictures requires small amount of space
high-res pictures requires big amounts of space

compressions are used to reduce a picture's size and at the same time trying to maintain the picture's quality..

why am I using pictures as examples? Well, if you've done 3D modeling like me, High-res pictures gives high quality textures on 3D objects. Low-res textures will just be stretched too much it'll be pixelated.

Although Low-Res textures might look good from afar on a 3D object, zooming in on that object shows how bad low-Res textures are. That's why textures in games looks so good but zoom your scope on the ground and you see big pixels and washed out images. You don't see this things on high-Res textures.

Compressions are just ways to fool the player's eyes. Games with high-res textures looks so good and so detailed because of the high-res textures being used. but if you zoom in on the textures, you'll see some jagged lines and what not..but not as much as with a low-res textures.

same goes with sounds. .mp3, .wav, etc are some compressions used for those sounds. downgrading the quality enough that the player's won't notice a huge difference between the uncompressed file to the compressed one.

so, from what I know, Blu-Ray does play a part in giving games beautiful graphics (or sound) because it gives developers more space to use high-res images and high quality sound without downgrading the quality too much.

Korn is the sh*t! Nice intro Torrence.

Ummm actually it does u dont really have to compress anything so thats kind of a bull argument!

bluray allows MORE content.be it:

uncompressed audio.
uncompressed video.

it allows bigger sandbox worlds with more objects onscreen streamed directly from the disc.

take for example,360 fans say,"what about GTA4?""it fits on a dvd9."

yup.sure did.can't deny it.but being that a ps3 disc at 50gig(mgs4) is about 5 times bigger than dvd,

HOW MANY CITIES COULD ROCKSTAR HAVE PUT ON THAT ONE BLURAY DISC?COMPARED TO MAKING BOTH VERSIONS THE SAME ON EACH SYSTEM?

one system won't allow such a game to exist.you could have had five times the area than what we all played in gta4.don't say i'm wrong.you know i'm right.if it was exclusive to ps3,that game would have been bigger.the TIME and MONEY it took to make the 360 version,could have been used to make a BIGGER ps3 exclusive.

that's the truth.and you don't like it.that's why bubbles are taken.i speak the truth.it's just hard for you to swallow.but that's okay,i have a HOME.

as for sound,dvd couldn't hold transformers in HD.hd-dvd couldn't fit all the high end audio on the disc.that's fact.bluray transformers is the best and complete audio and visual experience without cutting corners.THAT'S FACT.

what about better looking?well GT5 says hello.the cars are second to none.no racing game i have seen on 360 has come close to matching its quality.we have seen 360 fans hope the next racing game can come close,but they never do.pgr3,pgr4,forza2,gtr,grid,. ...they keep coming but come up short each time.

i'm not saying they aren't fun.they are just not better looking.but davis is right.sony pulled off gt5 as a download.but then sony ALLOWS BIGGER DOWNLOADS.while microsoft does not.maybe now with NXE.but even then,it still won't be what we see what sony is doing with gt5,wipeout,etc.1080p at 60fps downloads from microsoft?not where i'm sitting.

but bluray itself allows more.will we get more?who knows.but at least it's there to use.

apocalypse.................

You can store more textures because of the extra space. The higher the res of the textures the more space it takes up thus making blue-ray relevant to how a game looks.

dvd<9 too small for a baseball game. a friken baseball game. BluRay/any larger media is natural/technological progression. Why move from cd? why move from normal dvd to dvd 9 if ALL you needed to do was use this black hole compression that some speak off? Compressed data takes space. Why is this even being questioned.

While it might not make games look better, i sleep safer knowing my $60 game investment wont scratch and become unplayable due to me sneezing on it.

And it is not as good as anything made by an Asian, it is far superior to that jigaboo's gaming site videos!

Ask kojima how he used the blu ray.

many people have a map that is just one room repeating over and over with furniture moved around.

mgs4 actually had a huge map that gave the player tons of options as far as paths to go. not linear in paths to take and each path completely different from the other.

another option with blu ray is using the extra space to paste smaller maps/portions of maps over and over throughout the disc to reduce load times.

when games are identical on boht the 360 and ps3 there are still some differences. in smaller worlds the 360 has less jaggies on the screen than the ps3. cant' explain this one, i would assume its lack of knowledge.

in larger worlds the ps3 has less pop ins and less frame rate drops when there are a lot of enemies on the screen. this one i can explain a bit.

Blu-ray also has a higher data transfer rate -- 36 Mbps (megabits per second) -- than today's DVDs, which transfer at 10 Mbps. A Blu-ray disc can record 25 GB of material in just over an hour and a half.

here is a "how blu ray works" for those that doubt the transfer rates
http://electronics.howstuff...

and somewhere there is an interview with kojima explaining how he was able to expand maps that never repeated each other.

I don't think anyone thinks that it actually makes the game look better, but I am sure that it helps alot. Killzone 2 is a perfect example of it in action.

will find any reason to make those that have got to feel like what they do have is not actually needed OR useful. This is MS's way and its some 360 guys way. rumble, achievements(sony) hdmi, larger media, 1080p, bluetooth, motion control, wi fi (the 360 is the ONLY console including handhelds that comes without it) (MS)

They just want hits people. Every website does it from time to time.

Since when did anyone think that blu-ray has anything to do with graphics?
I'm pritty sure "SCE" never tried to mislead people into believing that either.50 Gigs of info on blu-ray disc though who can go wrong with that?

I'll repeat what everyone else has already said so you know I agree.

No one EVER said Blu Ray makes graphics better. Thats like saying Ferrari makes you a better drive or some other such nonsense.

The point of BR is this,
we have seen it well utilised already, with games of unmatched quality in their genres. I'm talking about, MGS4, Uncharted, LBP and even Heavanly Sword, Resistance, Motorstorm with many more coming.
But still the full potential of BR is not even close. People always say you can just change disk. Mostly this is true. All the art assets would be on the corrosponding disk and the game engine itself would have to be repeated on each disk. But what happens if someone makes an incredible, the likes of which we haven't seen yet? Say a GTA size world but bigger. No loading from place to place. A persistant world. If you crash a shop front and drive back the next day you will see trademen fixing it, or it will stay broken.

What I'm saying is, what if someone made an engine that was so good it was 6 or 7 GB by itselfor even bigger? There would no room left on a DVD for the assets or AI routines or anything else. You couldn't repeat the engine on multipule disk because you would be getting so little else on it. Thats why BR has more potential foramazing games and that why DVD is holding back this generation. As long as most game are going multi, no one is going to make a game like this.

Maybe I'm ahead of myself and a game like that is light years away but we have to progress or we'll never get there. We all know GTA could have been so much more if BR and HDD's had been in every machine is was coming to. And I think John Carmack would have gone all outon the PC and PS3 versions of Rage if it hadn't been for XB too. Yes I know PC is DVD but it doesn't really follow the same rules and no games yet are developed with a install for XB in mind.

BR (more space) is the only way progression will be made. There are those that say its not needed. They also say we dont need BR movies. They right we done have to have them, we just want the best we can get. Should it not exist because some aren't ready yet. Or should the technology be released and progess itself, so that but the time more people do want it, there will be 8 speed BR drives with 100Gb disk. Theres an old saying, "If you wanted it now, you should have ordered it 2 weeks ago).

Everything in the PS3 compliments each other. Thinking BluRay doesn't contribute to anything is normal. You might say, "How can a bigger storage medium provide instant improvement?" The answer of course is it cannot provide *instant* improvement. It takes a lot of hard work and understanding.

Sony knows the benefits of an increased storage medium, their success in the video game industry is largely based on this idea. If you remember, Sony bailed on Nintendo because the big N didn't want to use CD's, they didn't see the point. Sony would later create their own game system, the PS1. Games on the N64 and PS1 were pretty equal at the start, later we would see bigger and better games on the PS1, that couldn't be done on the N64, mainly due to the N64s limitations with cartridges. Sony would later dd the same with the PS2, and with the PS3. If their going to put out a new console, they have sense enough to move forward in every way possible.

The gist of it is, BluRay is just one integral part in the PS3's hardware prowess equation. The other more important exponents are the Cell and Rambus XDR memory, both capable of streaming large amounts of data, it only makes sense to provide these components with larger source data from the storage medium.

Because the PS3 is still in its infancy, the benefits we see from this design hasn't been tapped into fully... yet. Mainly due to the fact most developers want to make money, and would rather spend time making their games work on the PS3 and 360. Like someone else said a few comments above, tapping the PS3's full potential, using all components to their fullest takes money, hard work, and a really talented team.

BluRay may not improve graphics instantly, but its an important design choice just like the Cell and XDR.

Such question doesn't deserve an answer as simple as "Yes" or "No". For games that are relatively small, of course not. Take the Killzone demo, for example. That doesn't need much storage space. However, take games like GTA and such... they don't look as good because clearly, and as developers said before, the space they needed wasn't there and corners had to be cut.

I see morons here throwing around the concept of "lossless compression" as if they knew something about it. First of all, what makes you think everything can be compressed? Second, what makes you think everything can be compressed "losslessly"? And third, even if it was possible, what makes you think there are no trade-offs for that? The fact that you guys think there are no trade-offs clearly shows you know nothing about it.

"Lossless" compression implies that there is no information lost. And of course, there isn't, the way the information is stored is an algorithm rather than raw physical data. For example, instead of storing "111111111111111111111111 1111111111111111111111111111111 11111", which is 60 zeroes, I would store "1x60", meaning 60 times 1. I only used one 15th of the space needed to store the raw data for the number.

However, the trade-off for storing data represented by algorithms (assuming there is even an algorithm for every kind of data and that every algorithm is just as efficient); however, I need an interpreter for the data, a program that tells me what that code means. And that program takes valuable processing time off the hardware, processing time that could be used for other tasks such as making the game look better.

So as you can see, even if some data can be compressed losslessly, it should only be used if there is no option. Blu-ray gives you the option to use the valuable processing time *elsewhere*, be it for graphics, AI, physics, or whatever. It gives you choice, and that might just be part of the reason why PS3 exclusives crap on most 360 exclusives and surpass Gears of War.

That's also part of the reason why 360 multiplatform games sometimes edge out PS3 games since, aside of the fact that multiplatform games rarely if ever use the SPEs and optimize code for the RSX or code the game for PS3's convoluted RAM setup, they do not need any blu-ray space since they're done with the 360 in mind and therefore use little if any compression. That's also why some multiplatform Gamecube games looked worse on it than on PS2, since they had to heavily use compression because the games were made with Xbox and PS2's DVD9 in mind. Poor gamecube had to deal with compression even when it was more powerful than PS2.

Blu-ray gives developers choice and it could enhance graphics of games, not directly, but indirectly by taking the load off the processor by not making it decompress files.

Great show! Keep it up guys!

ask ANY game developer if they would like BR for their games...guess what the over whelming response will be Heck ya..

Yeah... thanks for clearing that up... now what you need to do is tell the devs to try doing something with the extra storage space...

It made Sonys Blu Ray decision 100% worth it.

Also Blu Ray can make the game look better when thinking of compression vs non but that only happend on 1 game i think.. But it did happen

-It is true that the disc space of Blu-ray does not make for better games on PS3 or any platform but makes more better sound quality then a DVD.
DVD can be played on a 5.1 system while Blu-ray can be used on a 7.1 system.
In my opinion sound makes 50% of any game this gen.
Having one Blu-ray is better can switching between several DVD discs.
Also though DVDs can play in 1080P like Blu-ray but it's upscaled and not native like on PS3.

-I never really cared for any Square Enix games so I don't care FFXIII went multiplatform but I know the PS3 Version won't get downgraded cuz of the 360's disc space.
The reason being it's being developed on PS3 first.

-PS4 in 2010 is very unlikely.
The way this gen is going I doubt will see any new consoles for another 6 years.
Microsoft will continue to support the 360.
Sony will continue to support the PS3 and possibly the PS2.
Nintendo well there selling a lot of consoles so there's no real reason for them to make another console when in reality they're making stupid amounts of money.
I don't expect to hear about any new consoles until at least 2012-2013.

-I do agree those spawn points and the Helghan Red Eyes need to be fixed and upgraded but after seeing what Guerilla is doing it'll be fixed.

Other then that great War Zone can't wait for the next War Zone #26 next time.

Bringing up lossless compression is really kind of pointless as it is actually never used in practice.

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More disc space is good for developers though...

=)

But the PS3 architecture, Sony third party support & development tools... well...

=(

That the COG Team in Gears has glowing blue ALL over them and nobody complains, but since KZ2 is so awesome, the only thing they can complain about it the mild glowing red eyes.

That's a good sign, IMO.

Hypothetically speaking, you could eventually have textures that take up 9+GB of space, which then COULDN'T be done without compression no matter how many DVDs you have... But again, that's hypothetically, and won't even come into play with PS3 VS 360.

YES IT DOES SO SHUT DA FOK UP! lol ok maybe not so much graphically but a whole lot more can be done on a single blu ray as opposed to a single dvd.. Because of the amount of space on a blu ray it can make games better in terms of more levels, characters, cars ect can be put on it.

more space = more room for detail, more detail = better graphics and sound. So yes, blu-ray DOES make games prettier. Just look at MGS4. Sheesh. if you want high resolution content in your game, (sharper, more detailed textures, models, etc.), you needs lots of space. The ps3 is THE ONLY true HD console in games and movies. The graphics are capable of being HD quality, not just output at HD resolutions. A$$ looks like A$$ even in 1080p. DVD is SOOOOOO 10 years ago.

nooooo wtf is happening here?!

nooo, WTF is happening here, What about the 5 years rule!?

it comes down to how a developer leverages it. Let's see, I can produce a game on CD, DVD or Blu-Ray adn which would look better? Jesus, some of the stuff on here is such a waste of a read. Why I continue to do this to myself!!!

No it cant, but it can makes games alot bigger and baddass.

Look! blu ray in some cases improve graphics and in others doesn't, this all comes down to how lazy or cheap a developer is. But it is fact that blu ray allows for much bigger uncompressed audio files and textures. Also more content can be added to blu ray if developers utalise the disk space, in this case there would not be a need for all this DLC bullsh!t that has been introdused this gen(thank you lazy devs for taking the lowest denominator route which is dvd9 and developing first on the 360. Makes me think that they would rather settle for less than improve their games).

A very important and proven fact about blu ray allowing for more environments and such is the recent RAGE stories. Apparantly due to them developing on the 360 first, 3-4 possible levels have ben cut because of lack of storage of the dvd9(think blu ray isn't needed again?). It's obvious that if development was done on the PS3 and utalised the blu ray space they would not have had to cut those levels out.

Because they have a horny spot for M$ they ended up gimping the game to please you aroggant blind bats. I blame M$ and anyone who supports them for all these DLC bull. When open world games like GTA4 are ridiculously shorten or bottle necked it is because of dvd9 and games like WKC and many future PS3 exclusives to come will prove that this gen is all about blu ray and it's available space. Please se the light here.

OBAMA!!!

If BR format is not the best then they should name something on the market that is. Try to put Gear of War2 on floppy DISKSSSSSSSSSSSSS.... and see if it looks as good as DVD.

they should put thier games on FLOPPY DISKSSSSSS.

blu ray is over 5 times bigger than a dvd9. cds are about 5 times smaller then dvds, why did we ever start using dvds?

arguments about blu ray are all stupid. stop crying it aint going nowhere, the only format that can phase out blu ray will come in 200gb form. i doubt you will see it anytime soon.

1. Blu-Ray does not DIRECTLY make games look better
A. Blu-Ray can hold MUCH more LOSSLESS images than DVD Can
B. More LOSSLESS images allows a game to look better

2. Blu-Ray with more space Allows a game to be bigger.
A. More space means more thing can go inside of a game.
B. More space also means that the bigger game can have more high-Res images.

3. Blu-Ray INDIRECTLY makes games look better, and directly makes games bigger
A. More space means more space for uncompressed images
B. More space means more space for everything else.

- Few people in the past took advantage of it
- More people in the present are taking advantage of it
- Once code optimization is mastered on the PS3, you will get games like Killzone, which is less than one or two years down the road.

More pointless dross from HHG and it's cack podcast making arguments where there aren't any. Well done again. Most pointless ehtity in the entire world. Do not like.

It baffles me how alot of so called fanboys sit down most of the day

argueing who's console is better, if they clearly like there consoles

that much why aren't they sitting in there gamer chairs playing there

fav games on there fav consoles, instead of being on this site argueing

over who's console is better, i'm not on about the majority but the

minority, theres debating and theres downright argumentive and

jealous, debating is always the best option.

Who thought that the Blu-ray directly improves a games graphics???

Sure it gives developers a bigger space to make the game with, and maybe allow them to use uncompressed textures, and I guess the uncompressed textures will look better than those which are compressed but this is not always the case, so indirectly Blur-ray does improve a games graphics, because it allows for higher-resolution textures just like PC games do.

the true power of the blu-ray allows for a better gameplay experience overall, allowing much bigger gameplay maps, more cutscenes, better sound quality and clarity, more players online, I could go on and on...of course i am not saying that blu-ray does all this on its own, i know that these things require the processor and GPU to get going, but we cannot undermine with the larger space offers to developers..

Who said it does? I think the fanboys are putting words in other peoples' mouths.

Just say, we had graphics 10 times as good as we have today; Does anyone here believe it would fit on a DVD? I thought so. Obviously, Bluray alone doesn't give good graphics but it certainly helps.
My logic is undeniable! Seriously, are games any longer than they use to be? But they're certainly bigger and we all know it's the HD graphics. Any problems fitting Wii games on a DVD? More space =/= better graphics, better graphics need more space.

has turned this into one of the most drawn out, dirty and biggest disinformation wars to ever hit the internet. They make THE SAME MISTAKES every other competitor who has come up against Sony has.

bigger storage medium? check

better first party lineup? check

best quality hardware? check

if anything all these xbots should be thanking Sony for taking their time lowering the price of the PS3 and not annihilating the inferior 360 in record time. 360 is at more of a disadvantage than even Sega and Nintendo were is previous generations in that they were REAL gaming companies with console experience.

Nope, at the end of the day M$ is just that retarded rich kid who doesn't know when to quit after getting owned all day long.

PS4 in 2010? Get real. The PS3 is really starting to pick up, by the end of next year, it will be even better. Why on earth release a console when the current one is doing well? Maybe the next gen Microsoft/Ninty consoles in 2010, but even that's unlikely. 2011 is the earlier the first next generation console will be released imo, more likely 2012.

Developers store larger, better looking textures when they have more space.

That's probably the main reason why all the argument this show makes can fail (not saying they do, but it's the main reason why it could). Right now, the Blu-Ray format is the only format right now that can display content in a native resolution of 1080p (the best resolution avaliable), which alot of gamers are looking for. The 360 must upscale a DVD9 to get that resolution.

Oh, and no one else defended Heavenly Sword? Uh *raises hand* some other people did. I've also went and said that Folklore is a damn good game. Burnout Paradise's PS3 version is also really good.

And I think those comments were saying to you that you shouldn't exactly just believe what SE is saying because they've said things before and then went and did the exact opposite of what they said they would do. That's what I think the issue was: You were so ready to believe them when they've done this kind of thing before. If you're going to believe them, you might want to make sure that SE doesn't go back on their word this time. If they do and they do delay and gimp the PS3 version (by chance), you'll be the one putting your foot in your mouth because you believed them so easily.

But I hope your right that we can believe them on this whole thing about FF13 not suffering on the PS3 because of the multiplatform business, because that means that SE has actually kept to their word this time.

when you download divx torrent files and convert to dvd the more minutes the film is the poorer quality the picture is, pixalisation and such.less space worse picture whether talking about games or movies.

i dont give a crap about graphics. I personally love the uncompressed 7.1 PCM audio coming out of my 7.1 Onkyo 605. Something that simply CANT be done with the 360s hardware - or disc format.

And as people have said, Motorstor, uncharted, killzone 2, MGS4, etc... nothing on the 360 looks that good.
Did i read your article? hell no. Cause im sure its un-informed FUD that doesnt deserve any network traffic. Thanks.

i didnt think the ps3 supported 7.1 audio, but im not sure.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.