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Xbox Series S/X Is Bringing Back Xbox's Old Storage Problems

Xbox Series X and S memory cards may be powerful new technology, but look as if they will fall short in the same ways as their chunky predecessors.

Computing giant Microsoft has had a long history of strange proprietary peripherals dating back to the original Xbox. From expansion packs to strangely shaped swappable hard drives, every Xbox system has had some form of storage "solution." With the launch of Xbox Series X, Microsoft looks to be doing it again with a custom Seagate NVME designed to work specifically with the new console.

RightFootGames2067d ago

Exactly, they were charging 4x the amount of the disk inside 360 consoles just because they had a proprietary port.

A $30 disk wrapped up and sold for $120-$150.

DEEHULK882066d ago

PS5 storage wil be just as expensive, so get ready for it.

RightFootGames2066d ago

The point isn't the price it's the over charging rip off that Microsoft is pulling with their proprietary BS.

Sony is is letting you buy off the shelf SSD so there will at least be competition. And PS5 compatible SSD's may be the same price but they will be twice as fast so you're getting more value for your money.

DEEHULK882066d ago

Right FootGames
$200 is $200, so it doesn't matter if you can use anyone that they approve, it still going to be pricey.

Sayai jin2066d ago

The expansion is made and sold be Seagate.

isarai2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

You should be asking why an SSD with half the performance is "just as expensive" as the one with double the speed.

Not to mention prices will be driven down pretty fast due to competition, with no competition, expect MSs proprietary solution to stay overpriced for a long time

ProjectVulcan2066d ago

PS5 will probably end up using standard PCIe 4.0 drives that meet a certain threshold, so it won't be as expensive as this because you'll have multiple vendors meeting that threshold.

These SSD manufacturers will be aiming to PS5 spec for more sales, and will probably certify them for use with the console as fast as Sony will let them.

No monopoly. Competition. Lower prices, faster.

RightFootGames2066d ago

Of course it matters... Are you kidding? Saying it doesn't matter is just making excuses for being over charged.

darthv722066d ago

@isarai, do you really think there wont be alternatives. MS even said they are looking at options as in other companies who want to make some. Sandisk, Western Digital, PNY... all are welcome but seagate helped with the internal storage so yeah they got first dibs.

DEEHULK882066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

Samsung PCIe 4.0 1tb 229.00 Case rested. So next-generation storage in general will be expensive. https://www.theverge.com/20...

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2066d ago

You're right, but when comparing 2.4 GB/s to 7 GB/s which gives you more bang for your buck?

Teflon022066d ago

Series X is using s SSD slower than the average NVMe and when I say that, if someone buys an NVMe it's usually inthe 3gbps range or the samsungs running up to 3.5gbps like mine. Are they expensive? Sure, but these are ones completely outperforming at 7gbps so of course

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kparks2065d ago

Yeah 200 is 200 but not when the one is overpriced and should only be like 150 lol if the new samsung SSD is 230 the xbox one should be 180 tops maybe even 150

DJStotty2065d ago (Edited 2065d ago )

@RightFootGames

The only SSD's that can be used to run PS5 games, need to be white lit by Sony, which as of today has not been announced, so to say "Sony is is letting you buy off the shelf SSD" is false, as that SSD will not be able to run PS5 games directly from it, so the storage expansion issue still remains. The same "off the shelf SSD" can be bought for the Series X, you just need to transfer to internal to run the game.

You will still need to transfer the games for the PS5 to the internal SSD to run, otherwise what was the point of all the p*** and wind about the PS5 internal SSD?

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Atom6662066d ago

You always have to be wary of proprietary stuff like this. So far, it at least isn't launching at an extreme markup from what you can find otherwise. It's kind of interesting that the system with the supposedly highly customized SSD allows for off the shelf expansion, and the one with the supposedly less customized solution requires specialized drives.

But there's trade of to think about, here. Namely, the fact that it's an idiot-proof plug and play implementation. You and I might not have an issue purchasing and installing a new/2nd SSD internal, but it's never going to be as easily understood and implemented by the casuals like a "plug and go" solution will be.

I'm also curious about retail. I don't see Walmart or Target stocking PCIe drives.

Perfect situation for me would be if you could have both. Allow me to swap out the XSX SSD and also let me buy an easy expandable.

Either way, it's all going to be too expensive for me to care about for a long time. I'll be rocking external USB HDDs and swapping installed games on both PS5 and XSX for most of this coming gen.

DEEHULK882066d ago

ATOM666
You make a lot of sense.👍👍

isarai2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

I mean you're wrong but sure. Here's a drive thats same specs as XSX drive (actually faster) and is $100 less

https://www.newegg.com/pny-...

"Not much of a markup"

Atom6662066d ago

@isarai

I mean you're linking me to a pcie 3.0 drive instead of a 4.0, but sure, let's tell others how they're "wrong."

Try harder.

sinspirit2066d ago

@Atom666

Gen 3 works on Gen 4. The SX drive isn't even faster than gen 3 speeds. Gen 4 is a standard. Not a guarantee speed improvement over an older gen pcie product. The SX drive is super overpriced because it's proprietary. The PS5 drive is expensive because they will be far higher spec, but could still potentially be cheaper at retail due to competition and being a standard form factor.

RazzerRedux2066d ago

Plugging in an m.2 drive is no more difficult than plugging in a USB drive. The only real question in my mind is how easy is it to get to the bay for it. Still don't know.

"I mean you're linking me to a pcie 3.0 drive instead of a 4.0"

The drive he linked to is comparable to XSX expansion in speed. The fact that XSX is Gen4 doesn't mean much when they halved the number of lanes to bring it down to Gen3 speed.

Atom6662066d ago

It does though, Razzer. They went 4.0 for a reason (guessing it's to do with other components and things like SFS).

Otherwise, why not stay with gen 3, save costs, and not go custom with it?

Going with 2 lanes also takes us back to the consistent performance they've been pushing for the other components. I don't know if anyone has torn that apart to figure out what exactly their intent is there beyond consistent speeds, but it's interesting news to me.

As you know, Samsung or whoever else may tout top end theoretical speeds all they want, but we see how that works in real world implementation. The goal was to keep 2.4GB/s consistent with an external plug in card. That's an interesting bit of engineering there. And I appreciate that they came out and said that this wasn't the maxed speed of their SSD, but they designed it to stay there consistently. I think that's important for devs.

In the end, if 3.0 lanes and SSD is all they needed, why not save a whole lot of $ a design around that instead? That's why these comparisons aren't sufficient.

RazzerRedux2066d ago

I wasn't debating the reasons as to why MS choose the design they did. If "consistency" is their reason then that is fine. Doesn't matter. Their solution has far less performance at a premium price even when comparing non-proprietary PCIe 4.0 drives.

Are there trade-offs? Yes. Less confusion. Plug and play. Retail availability. All legit concerns you've expressed. And I do acknowledge that on the PS side, I am referencing drives that don't have Sony's stamp of approval and we don't know if that stamp is going to come at a cost. So still more info needed before I can definitively say X solution is better than Y, but I always side with non-proprietary out of the gate.

Atom6662066d ago

I won't disagree with you on the proprietary side. And we haven't even mentioned how much I dislike segate!

I find their solution here interesting. We know 4.0 lanes have twice the bandwith of 3.0. It seems like they could have gotten the speed with a 3.0 x4 solution, on the SSD, but went with a 4.0 x2 solution instead??

I didn't articulate that well before. If we compare 3.0 ssds, it doesn't tell the whole story. At the same time, if we compare off the shelf 4.0's, it doesn't work either. It's interesting choices here that have to serve a purpose.

Of course MS wants money, so I don't put it past them to look for ways to profit...ever. I just think that if this were their only goal, then over-engineering the drive solution is ultimately foolish. Off the shelf solutions would have been cheaper for them, just like us.

And we're all concerned about paying high prices now. Wait til we want 2tb or more!

RazzerRedux2066d ago

"And we're all concerned about paying high prices now. Wait til we want 2tb or more!"

lol....I remember when 1 TB SSD was nearly a thousand dollars and seemed like a pipe dream mere mortals like myself would never have. Now I have three 1 TB SSDs in my PC.

As far as PS5, for me, I doubt I will ever have need of an expansion drive. I only have PS5 for the exclusives. Now if Sony pumps out enough consecutive exclusives that the 825GBs can't handle them....well, that would be a nice problem to have.

If someone asked my advice I would say wait on investing in console expansion the first year at least. After that, we will have a clearer view of what is what.

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GamerRN2066d ago

Shouldn't it read "this generation of consoles are bringing back old storage problems"??

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RazzerRedux2066d ago

Uh no. PS isn't bringing back proprietary storage problems. Only Xbox.

Tacoboto2066d ago

PS5 so far has zero approved expandable storage options. The new Samsung drive still isn't as fast as the PS5 SSD and is $229.

What's the benefit of non-proprietary when it's actually more expensive? 🤣 (You can't really think MS won't ever drop the price)

Do you live in a world where it's impossible for

RazzerRedux2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

@Tacoboto

"PS5 so far has zero approved expandable storage options. The new Samsung drive still isn't as fast as the PS5 SSD and is $229."

Wrong. The new Samsung drive is FASTER than the PS5's SSD. 7gb/s vs 5.5gb/s. And the price of drives in that class will drop as more competition is added.

"What's the benefit of non-proprietary when it's actually more expensive? 🤣 (You can't really think MS won't ever drop the price)"

Are you serious? XSX SSD is running at PCIe 3.0 speeds. I can buy a non-proprietary NVMe SSD that is faster than XSX and $100 less right now. Hell, I can buy non-proprietary PCIe 4.0 drives for $60 less than XSX's card and nearly twice as fast. If you can't see that benefit of standard vs proprietary then you are choosing to be ignorant.

https://www.newegg.com/pny-...
https://www.newegg.com/sabr...

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

@Tacobot

What you've said is totally and completely WRONG.

The 980 Pro has read speeds of 7 GB/s, which is 1.5 GB/s faster than the PS5 SSD and it's $229.

The Proprietary Xbox storage has read speeds of 2.4 GB/s for $215 using tech from 2014.

If you're going to discuss these SSD's, DISCUSS IT ALL, not just the things that make your favorite console of choice look good.

https://www.anandtech.com/s...

Tacoboto2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

Well, I read the speed wrong (Sony gives two figures - I was comparing the 7000 to their compressed figure)

But still I won't back down on the price part of it. The lack of availability of these ultra-fast SSDs (whichever few do exist and make it to the approved list) alone will keep those prices high. And as more become available, prices will fall and MS can match.

RazzerRedux2066d ago

"And as more become available, prices will fall and MS can match."

Microsoft can only suggest. Seagate controls their own pricing and at launch they have a monopoly. It will be interesting to see how long after launch Seagate gets to sell these drives exclusively and what the prices will be when competition does arrive.

DJStotty2065d ago

@Razzer

You do not need to buy the proprietary storage though right? You only need that if you want to run games from the external (Same with PS5, unless you have a white lit drive certified to be compatible by Sony, still not announced).

I am just going to use my current HDD for external storage, and then transfer the games to the internal if needed (probably not) to run the Series X games.

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IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2066d ago

Well this won't be a problem for Microsoft because they'll be selling a proprietary 1TB SSD that has tech from 2014 for the low, low price of $200.

And yes there are off the shelf SSD's that have faster read and data transfer speeds for lower prices. If you'd like examples of SSD's that exceed 2.4 GB/s, for less, I'll be more than happy to post links.

DJStotty2065d ago

I have owned every xbox and have never bought any proprietary storage.

Have Sony announced their storage solutions yet?

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Sitdown2066d ago

Except when it comes to storage, you can use other drives, but if you fully want to take advantage of the series X, that's when you have to consider the be storage. But even then, you can offload all the games for storage purpose, and transfer when needed. So not necessarily the same.

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Cueil2066d ago

anyone who says this is too expensive you can probably put on your block list and you'll not be missing anything

tontontam02066d ago

Yup, that's what I do when I know I'm making an idiotic purchase.

Everyone in my family will keep nagging me when I'm about to waste my money on something, so I shut them off and make the purchase anyway. hahaha

Shiken2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

You can use an external to store your games, so no there is no storage problem. You just have to transfer them to and from the external drive to the console to actually run them.

I would not be caught dead paying those prices for 1TB of extra storage, but MS has prevented a potential problem that we will be seeing with the PS5. The average joe is not going to be paying attention to drive speeds and what not when it comes to required specs ro run games properly. Not all SSDs are created equal, and those less technically inclined could be seeing performance issues and problems when they try their less than compatible storage expansions. To have something that works right with the PS5, you will be spending quite a bit as well.

In any case, prices will drop overtime. And seeing how you can at least store and back up your digital games on any external HDD, storage itself is not an issue as long as you are ok with installing and uninstalling your games as needed (something most people do anyway).

DJStotty2065d ago

Exactly, i aint buying the card, just a cheap external to store my games and then transfer the Series X ones to the internal when needed.

It is really quite simple to grasp.

Lexreborn22066d ago

I remember when I got my Xbox 360 slim and the 5gb model and my bud told me how you don’t even need their branded disk. He told me without the chassis that they would still take a standard 2.5mm hdd. Saved me a whole lot of money, I wouldn’t be surprised if ultimately they take any NVMe and they are just banking on people being naive.

DJStotty2065d ago

They will take any NVME, and any HDD/SSD for that matter, you just will not be able to run the Series X games from the external, just transfer them to internal to play.

But yeah, any HDD/SSD is compatible with the Series X for external storage.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio25d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing25d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9225d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit25d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing25d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9225d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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