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NXE Highlights Serious HDD Problem

One of the New Xbox Experience's more hyped features is the ability to download games to your HD to save on loading times and the sounds of a plane taking off when the ROM spins. However, it has ended up revealing a major weakness for Microsoft's next-gen crown contendor. Gameplayer reports...

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Capt CHAOS6407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

"But that's a rant for another time. Today we're more interested with the ridiculously small sizes of the 360 hard drives, and the ludicrous cost of them."

It's just another blog type rant..

I think it's a great feature and the new 360's have 60gb. Also, I'm not sure about you, but I'm not planning on install my entire game library..

Here's another extract from the article's rant:

"Now some people may argue, "why would you have seven games installed at one time anyway? Who plays seven games all at once?". Plenty of people, smartarse, plenty of people."

Erm.. Calling your reader a smartarse doesn't justify the rant..

Fishy Fingers6407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

Well gameplayer usually lean on the side of controversial journalism rather than constructive journalism.

Feeding forums one article at a time. I still normally enjoy the read even if I don't take it to seriously.

edhe6407d ago

I've only got a 20 gigger, which is a wee shame for me, but i've installed fable2, though i play gears2 more.

It gives more benefits to fable2 which streams alot, campaign in gears2 is fine, and in MP once it loads the game it's done loading, so no noise.

pavarotti6407d ago

who would've thought that??

gameplayer, another site that likes to leech hits from n4g by writing negative 360 stuff.

i've got about about 8 games on my hdd(i do have an elite though), it would be a pain if i only had a 20gb though. anyway, i live in france, and they are doing a nice deal over here at the moment. 60gb hdd, 3 months live and a headset for 70euros which is less than £60. not bad at-all.

Mr_Bun6407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

These stories keep coming up about "HDD price", but if you have a 20gig and want to upgrade to a 120 gig, you can buy a specific western digital model for under 100$.

Edit: I am assuming the disagrees haven't tried this with the software required to copy the data from the M$ HDD over to the new WD HDD

nirwanda6407d ago

is that in the uk the 60gig HDD deal have you got a link, and does it come with a data transfer cable

+Bubbles in advance

Kill Crow6407d ago

that take 3 pages ... to just say that the 20GB version is too small !!!

Score6407d ago

I don't understand...this guy is complaining about people playing multiple games...what's the big deal with disc swapping? It isn't like you play a game for 45 seconds then switch to another.

na2ru16407d ago

It recommended to run off disc.

xwabbit6407d ago

200 bucks for a 120 GB HDD ROFL ? are you serious, i can buy a 500GB HDD for 130 bucks on my PS3 LMAO and i can even buy the 7200rpm one that makes games load faster. Never knew it was so much to buy a box HDD ... sucks for some but a lot of people have the money to buy them i guess.

tplarkin76407d ago

The Good:
- You can always re-download anything you delete for free.

- You can stream Netflix movies and TV shows which take no space. (By the way, Netflix works flawlessly for me. 4 bars every time. I have Comcast Cable.)

The Bad:
- You can only install about 2 retail games.

The Ugly:
- I spent $150 on a 120GB HDD. But I can now install up to 20 games.

The Truth:
- The 20GB owner can use every feature of the 360 to the fullest. But he will have to spend more time managing space on the HDD.

SlappingOysters6407d ago

I have 1.5TB on my PC and this almost full and I do not even download movies or TV shows... or (much) porn.

60Gb is woeful. I think MS really stuffed up here and unless they can start releasing 500Gb drives at a competitive $150 -$200 Sony will eat them alive once the digital distribution starts becoming the norm.

cayal6407d ago

How the hell do you fill up 1.5TB?

caladbolg7776407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

Small, proprietary hdds are part of what you sign up for when you invest in a 360. That's certainly a financial positive for Microsoft (it keeps you in their pocket), but I can't really call it a glaring negative for 360 gamers.

If you've scrolled this far down in the comments before clicking and reading the Gameplayer article, DON'T CLICK!

godofthunder106406d ago

I just can't understand fanboys.They have ps3 fanboys complaining about the 60 and 120 gb hdd on the 360.They claim that they are to small.The problem with their argument is that they are just proveing they are fanboys.The fact is that the ps3 has a 80 hdd.The fact is that 60 is just as good as an 80 hdd.The other problem they have is when they try to make it look like the ps3 is perfect in every way and the 360 doesn't even have a big enough hdd.The last time i checked a 120hdd is bigger then an 80 hdd.

Ps3 fanboys need to stop acting like the ps3 is perfect.They also need to stop blameing every one else and every thing else on why LBP wasn't a huge sucess instead of the real reason.The real reason that LBP didn't sell well was because it's a child game on a hardcore system.If it was on the wii it would have sold over a million in the first 2 days it was out.

The fact is that both systems have negative and positive things about them.They both have good and bad games on them.I have a 360 and i wouldn't trade it for anything.I will still admitt that they have some games on the ps3 i wish was on the 360.I'll admitt that i don't care for child games like LBP.I all so don't like the MGS series.I don't like to watch a game more then i play.If i wanted to sit down and watch something for all most 3hrs i would watch a movie instead of watching a game that has a stupid story line.On the other hand i wish that R1 and 2 was on the 360 because they are good games.I all so wish that KZ2 would be on the 360 because it's a great game if it is like they claim it will be.It might even win game of the year.The fact is that i would have bought them on launch day.

The fact is that they have some ps3 fanboys that like games that's on the 360 like halo or fable but are to childish to admit it.They all so have 360 fanboys that like games on the ps3 like MGS4 even if i don't like it and R but they are to childish to admit it.The fact is that if halo or fable was on the ps3 the ps3 fanboys would be saying it's a great game.The same with 360 fanboys.If MGS4 or R was on the 360 they would be saying it's a great game.The ps3 fanboys would be saying that MGS4 and R suxed if it was on the 360.The 360 fanboys would be saying that Halo and Fable suxed if it was on the ps3 and that's just fact.

The fact is fanboys are hypercrits.They never give credit where credit is due.They will all ways agree with negative news about the system they don't have even if they know it's not true.They will all disagree about positive news about the system they don't have even if they know it's true.Then they will do the exact opposite on the system they have and it's pathetic.

Like i said above i have a 360 and love it and i wouldn't trade it for a ps3 for anything.I will admitt that the 360 did have a high defect rate because it's true.Ps3 fanboys shouldn't keep bringing it up and acting like like that never happen to sony.The fact is that sony had a class action lawsuit filed against them because the ps2 had a defected hard drive.You could buy a new ps2 and game and it would read say can't read disc when you try to play it.The fact is that every one i know went through 2 or more some even 5 in less then 3 years because i did and this is just fact,i'm not spinning anything like fanboys do.

Ps3 fanboys should also stop saying that microsoft didn't fix the problem.They should also stop saying that the 3 year warrinty that microsoft gave their customers isn't good enough.The fact is that sony only gave a month or 2 for people to send their ps2 off to get it fixed and they didn't even hardly advertize the free repair.After it went out after that you were just stuck with it and you would have to pay to get it fixed or buy you a new one.Ps3 fanboys need to ask their selfs who had the better warrinty on the defect warrinty and be honest.The fact is that when you bought a 360 when it came out you had a 3 year warrinty on the RROD.Sony on the other hand only gave you a couple of months to get in touch with them to get the defected drive fixed in the ps2s and that was it.In other words people don't have to buy or pay to have the RROD fixed for 3 years.People had to buy them another ps2 if the drive went out after just after a few month.Like i said before i had to buy 5 ps2s in less then 3 years and every one i knew had to at least buy 2 or more.The fact is that it cost me a fourtune to buy 5 ps2s in less then 3 years.It didn't cost me a dime for 3 years no matter if i need to have 100 fixed because of the RROD.

I'll agree with ps3 owners that the ps3 is the most dependable console ever made because it's true and i want say it isn't just because i have a 360.Ps3 fanboys need to be honest and give credit where credit is due.The fact is that microsoft did a lot better for their customers then sony did when it comes to the ps2 and the 360 defect warrinty.Ps3 fanboys need to stop saying that microsoft isn't fixing the 360s on purpose because it's a stupid remark.It's costing microsoft billions to keep fixing the 360.They have the problem fixed in the newer models.

The fact is that if it was the ps3 that had the RROD the 360 fanboys would be doing the exact thing the ps3 fanboys are doing now and it would be wrong.I can't understand how fanboys can critisize something about the other system when the same thing happen to their system to but act like it never did.uto critize

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JasonPC360PS3Wii6407d ago

You mean a bunch of high quality AAA games and exclusive content you will never get?

ionize6407d ago

Hey look...it's pp's other account! Nice to see you could share your ignorance

Magic_The_Celt6407d ago

Jason, i could say the exact same thing to you.

PimpHandHappy6407d ago

with the warranty all done

and MS HDD sitting around not being sold

make them install games!!! We can do that!!!! We do that on PC!!!!

IMO
MS is not telling the truth when they say starting at 199

MS has never told us the truth about RROD

MS 1.2BILLION in repair cost

EVOLVED6407d ago

the problem has been addressed and fixed. I have 3 xboxes in my house we all play online. I leave mine on constantly and no problems. no rrod, no nxe problems. I have tons of friends online, heard no problems there either. Oh yea, that the update was the sh-t. That's about it.
ps3 outsold last week by 100,000 units this week 200,000 units whats next week? 400,000 units. ps3 still not making sh-t either.
http://vgchartz.com/
look for your self.

EVOLVED6407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

BLUE RAY A MISTAKE
They will make some money but look at what you got with downloads. Downloads you paid for are in hd and they also never get broken or busted b/c you have that attached to your account forever. downloads will rise sooner then you think. Thats a nice concept to have your movies, games, and all on your hard drive. you want to watch movies at your friends, if he's got and xbox you can just bring by your hard drive if you own it. You get to bring your whole library in one piece.
I was going to buy a blue ray player, however downloads has already caught my attention. netflix,a lot of sh-t. Seems to me at $30 dollars a movie it's not worth it. I got over 350 dvds and I pay next to nothing buying them used from the video store. 25 for 3 or even cheaper. Plus my xbox pushes up the graphics of a regular dvd making them look better, given not as good as blue ray disc but good enough on my 40 in tv. If I need to see it in hd I will download it from xbox. so blue ray does not impress as much as you think and is also sucking the money from sony's ps3. The graphics are always SEEMS TO BE a 1/2 pixel behind and this is do to putting the blue ray in. It also makes it more expensive for developers and harder to program. So what do you really get more. In no way do I wish ps3 to fail b/c I need them to threaten m$ into making things cheaper for me. More power to the consumer when you have competition in the market.

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jmare6407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

While the author is a douche and is rather weak at getting his point across eloquently, he does have a point about the 360 HDD. However everyone already knew they were overpriced to begin with so, while he is right that the option to install games is likely to cause headaches for people with the 20 gig, this is just a bullshit rant telling people something they already know.

green6407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

wrong post

Man_of_the_year6407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

So let me get this straight - MS releases an "OPTION" now to rip the disc onto the HDD where it was not an "OPTION" before and you had to play the game off the disc...and this guy finds an issue with it? LOL now it 7 games where as before you couldn't even do 1 since the option wansn't there. I can't beleive this guy finds a problem with something that clearly is a bonus. Well i have a problem also - i have a 120 GIG and i can't rip my whole 360 collection because it will take up over 120 gigs. Thanks a lot MS - thanks for the new problems - first its RROD and now i can't rip my entire library onto my HDD.

I can't beleive people write these kinds of articles - must be slow in the gaming industry at the moment

Anon19746407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

I get what you're saying. It's an option. It's nice to have so why complain. Here's the issue though, it's an option that 80% of 360 owners aren't going to be able to really use. I fall into that category with my 20GB launch console. I've got a couple of XBL games I still play, one Xbox original game and extra content for 2 other games and guess what? I installed Fable 2 and that's it for room. No more XBL games until I finish Fable 2, no video rentals from XBL's sad collection (well, sad in Canada, probably not in the US). And, aside from my 360 now running Fable 2 quieter the only difference I've noticed is now texture pop-in is rampant throughout the game.

So, thanks for thinking about me, MS. How about changes the bulk of us gamers can actually use. If you think I'm spending $150 bucks on a harddrive for a console I've had to replace 3 times that's now out of warranty, you can forget it.

Man_of_the_year6407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

You're missing the point - you still ripped 1 game that your 20 gig could handle where as before you couldn't - if it is a necessity that you need to rip more games onto your HDD than upgrade - don't complaine because you cant rip as many games as you would like becuase of the amount of space you have on your HDD.

Thats as pathetic as me complaining that i can't install my whole library because i only have 120 gigs available to me...rip what you can since now you can do it - if you want to rip more than upgrade and stop crying. Its not MS's fault that you chose to settle for the 20gig, and there are 60 gigs now and the 120 have been available for some time now.

And if you have such an issue now that the option is available to you but because you don't want to buy a larger HDD to utilize the option to a particular capacity that you would like than just keep playing the games off of the disc...you didn't have an issue with it before - but now you do since MS has now provided you with the option to rip games on the HDD...come on.

Even when MS tries to please everyone - there are still people like you and the writer of this article that still look for ways to complain.

Anon19746407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

Sure I didn't have an ice cream cone before and MS can easily say "Look buddy. You had no ice cream, now you've got ice cream. How dare you complain, you ungrateful so and so! No one is forcing you to eat it. Either go out and buy a bigger cone with more sugar that will mask the ass taste or just don't eat it and shut up."

Well, that leaves me to wonder why bother? I'm sure there is a minority out there that likes ass-flavored ice cream that this will appeal to but 80% of us don't - nor do we want to go buy the bigger, sugar dusted cone.

I guess this will make some people happy but to me it just served to highlite what I had put to the back of my mind. Making a console with no standard storage space was really a short sighted move if they wanted to add on all these features like video downloads, DLC and game installs down the road. What were they thinking?

Edit: Re-Reading your original point - why one earth would you bring up RROD? Are you trying to say that we should be happy that MS saddled us with RROD? That we should be thankful for the privilege of playing the 360 that we should ignore when our consoles die on us multiple times? I'm sure we should be buying MS Christmas presents as well that they were nice enough to extend the warranties out of the goodness of their heart. God bless you Microsoft!

green6407d ago

So would you have preferred Microsoft to have omitted the HDD install from the NXE?I also own a 20gig and i currently own 10 games.As of today i frequently play 3 ,PGR4,Gears 2 and L4D with the later 2 taking 90% of my gaming time.So what did i do?I deleted all the 7 gig worth of useless demo,s that i was clogging up my HDD and installed L4D - 5gig and Gears 2 - 6.8gig,with 1 gig to spare and i seriously enjoy the benefits that it gives.

Meanwhile, why don't you go online and ask gamers on your friends list what they think about the HDD install?i bet you, you will be astonished on how gamers love it.

Anon19746407d ago (Edited 6407d ago )

No, I'm not saying they shouldn't have done it. It's like adding support for people who are color blind so the games look a bit better for them. Great. Thumbs up. Good to hear it. Doesn't change the fact that to the majority of people it's doesn't make a difference. I have yet to download a single demo on my 360 and sure I could delete my COD maps, but I still play them - or my Oblivion Expansion - which I still plan on playing, so I can install 2 games to my harddrive instead of one but, aside from the unit being quieter Fable 2 doesn't seem to be loading any faster and now I have texture pop-in issues.

Anyway - I only know one other person with a 360 (and it just so happens I bought it for him). I'll ask him if he's tried installing anything yet and what he thinks. I'm guessing he probably hasn't bothered having only the 20 GB drive like myself - but you never know.

Edit: I just flipped my one 360 buddy and email. He hasn't tried it so he has no comment, other than he wants to borrow Fable 2 when I'm done.

Yipee Bog6407d ago

I'm the idiot. I bought a used 20 gig for 60 bucks at ripoff gamestop. could have bought a new 80 gig 2.5 sata for that money. taking 15 mins to rip a game to the hard drive, to turn around and do it again w/ each other game.

Jdoki6406d ago

The issue here is that the ONLY reason I want to use the hard drive rip option is because I have a huge issue with the noise the 360 makes.

I don't care about a game loading a few seconds quicker. I want quiet operation.

My PS3 is fairly quiet. My 360 is a to loud. So for me the option MS gives to rip to hard drive is really quite important.

However their near sighted view when designing the 360 has now come round to bite us consumers. I could buy a larger hard drive but I don't like feeling ripped off. Even 120GB now feels small. I have a 500GB drive in my PS3 that cost almost nothing.

So... Thanks for the option MS. I had to delete a load of content just to install Fable 2, and I really look forward to juggling game installs when I buy my next 360 game!! Yay!!!

N4Flamers6406d ago

what game did you install lost odyssey. It took less than 5 to install gears 2.

Man people are so stupid, if you don't have enough space dont install the game, quite simple. I have a 20 gig three arcade games 2, demos dead space and tomb raider, gears2 and a few short videos like the gears one trailer and the lost odyssey commercial and have four gigs left not to mention themes and pics galore.

Yipee Bog6404d ago

And fable 2 is about the same. I can only fit one on the 20 gig drive. I don't have any music on it so I don't know where the memory space went. And yes, installing to the hard drive is a must, unless you like listening to a plane taking off, then don't install games to your hard drive. Simple as that

Yep, some people are just stupid

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InMyOpinion6407d ago

Why am I not surprised that this comes from gameplayer.com.au?

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DivineHand12552d ago (Edited 52d ago )

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