What the hell, Bethesda?

You make Oblivion better on PS3, and then you chop out water reflections and make shadowing and texture pop-in prevalent in the PS3 version of Fallout?

Seriously....come on! 1 step forward and 2 steps back, it looks like...

ok so now that im in here does anyone have a killzone 2 beta key that i can have ?? will trade home beta i also have tekken 5, warhawk , and echochrome i will give for free for the code plzzz send me a PM

360 ones better :( hands down... But Killzone 2 anyone...

Ah i hate comparisons i assume all people who have xbox 360 and ps3 have matured enough to forget that either console is superior to each other and that they realized both consoles have great games no matter the differences.

3604thewin

that's the thing, the PS3 was SUPPOSED to just blow away the 360 at launch an here we go 2 years later an the PS3 is really just starting to MATCH the 360 at best!! not saying the PS3 cant produce great graphics but weren't we expecting MORE!!

ps3 all the way

well I'm gonna be a honest person and i reckon both systems are good and have there own reliability

I hate this article.

I haven't seen one 360 game that even comes close to the graphics of Killzone 2 and I am sure that I won't be seeing one either cause the 360 couldn't handle games like Killzone 2. I mean, what is the best looking game on 360? Gears of Brown?

i own both systems and i think there both fun to play i sometimes play cod5 on 360 and resistance 2 on ps3 its just enjoyable :)

the 360 looks well bright doesn't it,why is it so bright on their pics,but the Ps3 looks really dark,but on my TV both don't have such extreme light and dark's compared to each other,never mind I tend to go by exclusive games were the devs have had full resources into one project and not different teams working on different platforms,as everyone here knows it's the exclusive games on both consoles that make the difference in the console "war",not a few multiplats.

you know. forget about the games for a second. but wow, i seriously cant belive that the 360 is actually still on par or better graphics wize to ps3. ps3 being the "real next gen console" and all. blue ray and CELL, looks like it was all a gimick. the 360 in just about all these games has better graphics. it just suprises me that 2/3 years in the 360 is still superior despite it having dvd and a regular processor.

Why was the PS3 screens scenery a bit closer to the tree, yet the 360s version was a good distance further? It's almost like they really want the jagginess of the trees to appear more prominent on the PS3 version.

I've never been the type of person who accuses a certain site to be bias, but this is questionable.

For fallout 3 I wanna know why this guy neglected to include shots of the HDR lighting that is visible on most enemies in the game on the ps3 version, but noticeably absent on the 360 version. (maybe cause he wanted one version to be considered better?) - at least make a fair comparison here

Multiplatform games aren't a true test for a game console.

Killzone 2 is breaking graphical barriers and the PS3 will just be entering into it's 3rd year once KZ2 is released and God of War 3 is supposedly going to surpass Killzone 2 in graphics. The only game on the 360 that has really top notch graphics is Gears, and hardly anything else.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue looks way better than any Forza game on the Xbox 360 and God of War 3 will EASILY look better than Ninja Gaiden 2 and Ninja Blade.

For this generation, when it comes to graphics, the PS3 has that category in the bag, no contest.

on the mortal kombat, the 360 clearly looks better, i know its nit picky but it seems as if the PS3 version has a slight blur to it, an it seems to me that the 360 is able to produce smoother an more detailed textures than the PS3, which has been the case basically since these comparisons started!! an whats going on with the close up of the dead space character on the PS3, is it supposed to look like that!! I like my PS3 but it has to show me why it deserves for me to buy more games for it rather than my 360!!

I feel Sony won't get the crown. Yes I own Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Resistance 1&2, MGS4, LBP, etc.. But they look like what I'd expect this gen. Killzone 2 and Heavy Rain however do destroy 360's graphics by far. So in 09 I will gladly say PS3 takes the crown. But if Sony wants to keep that crown in my eyes, they had better get ALL their games on graphical par with KZ2 and HR... to truely showcase why GRAPHICALLY their system is the better choice! cause 2 games don't justify to me why Sony put in Blu-ray and Cell. Come 09 I will truely see my 60gig shine in all its glory in the way I truely expected!

I feel KZ2 is the game that will show what PS3 can truely do. It will be awesome and I cannot wait to own it in Febuary. But Im not rejoicing for a Sony victory, Im not easily impressed... and I need more than 1 or 2 graphically impressive games to sway my vote! and lets not forget the graphics WILL outshine 360's... but Sony better had pray that the gameplay is as glorious as those wonderful graphics. Or they WILL be cruicified!

oh come on how can u compare a multiplaform game why not compare an exclusive game so you can see the difference and tell which one is better, you know how cheap some company are doing there ported.

The Xbox 360 proves yet again it is the most powerful and sophisticated piece of home electronics ever created by mankind.

Only Xbox 360 provides consumers with games that look and play the best, consistently decimating the PS3 in graphical performance in every way.

I really feel sorry for these fandroids who actually believe the PS3 stands a chance against the Xbox 360 just because some sleazy Sony exec tells them its a supercomputer that can run 4d graphics at 120fps, they need to wake up and face the facts, the Xbox 360 continues to provide the superior version of every game in the market and has the best looking games out there.

enjoy your garbage console fandroids, continue to P L A Y B 3 H I N D or whatever it is you do on that thing while I enjoy the pinnacle of gaming and home entertainment on the Xbox 360, the culimination of human science, ingenuity and progress

killzone 2 nuff said!

We need to compare exclusives. Only then will you see the graphical prowess of both systems.

Not again people do not compare reality to BS from sony so far superior graphically capabilities. Here we are 2 years after and the 360 its still superior, I mean if you numb-nuts dont get it, than go buy glasses since it is obvious that you are a fanboy, hypocrite, blind or all of the above. Get it to your head the only positive thing that the PS3 has over 360 its reliability nothing else, and including the fail format blue ray.

PS3 win hands down since most of the time 3fixme will RROD.

All you have to do to compare the consoles is move away from multiplatform games. Especially when all you hear from idiot devs is how they will make both versions look the same. Why? They don't try to make the Wii version look the same.

The PS3 is far enough ahead in multiplatform titles. As soon as you go to console exclusives it's game over, PS3 stomps the 360 hands down.

now. Ps3 is vastly superior in all aspects, and 2009 will prove that.

I say the PS3, got to see the comparison in person not from a pic from a website because it might altered or something. End of next year ps3 will be way superior since they still aren't using 100% of its power.

They need to turn the reference level setting on the 360 to "expanded" to make the black "blacker" and to get rid of that low contrast that is visible on these screenshots - they already do it on the PS 3.

The thing is, I own both consoles and I actually compare many of these games myself and I can tell you that even videos and screenshots cannot show you the extent of the difference you will see on a HDTV. I used to be a big PS3 fanboy, but after seeing game after game look and/or perform better on the 360 I began to realize that Sony had misled us just like they had in the past. The 360 is still getting the better versions of multi-platform games and anybody that actually compares them for themselves knows it is true.
Killzone 2 looks great, but it has been in development for years and has a huge budget so you can't really assume that it proves the superiority of the PS3. Gears of War 2 is currently the best looking console game available and it was developed in half the time that Killzone 2 is taking.

Fallout 3 - 360

Soulcalibur IV - PS3

Dead Space - PS3

Star Wars FU - Tie

Call of Duty WaW - Tie

Madden NFL 09 - Tie

MK v DC - 360

My two cents, couldnt care less about these things nowadays anyway.

Masterpiece don't come in 20 sec they take time and care...
The only three games you guys are known for is, fable, gears, halo...the rest multi..right...????????
looser. thats right don't want to pull list for 2009 do i?

COD5 is a tie because for some strange reason on one screen the Xbox-360 has better tectures and effects but then on another screen it is like they got the screens mixed up and the PS3 looks better. For the record just about everything I play looks better on the Xbox-360 VGA/Monitor cable, I am not sold on HDMI, IMO it shows more faults, AA with VGA is almost perfect, with HDMI i get more jaggies and artifacts, HDMI IMO is better for movies but not for games.

Bladestar, you really need to find hole and hideout.

Then start reading, and learning alittle.

You make no sense.

GT5P for a racing game graphically is untouched.

UNCHARTED has superior shaders.

GOW has nice bumpmapping. (with an engine that just like Source(valve) has been overhauled for years.

KZ2'S engine was built from scratch. That's why it's taking along time, build the engine then build the game.

Forza2 you all go on about damage, when the damage used within the game is a complete and utter joke. Hit a wall it scratches the car. GRID pwns that game with ease. and it's more fun.

R&C Looks amazing. Have a go, i know you want to.

R2 huge, Decent size maps, Decent a.i, huge multiplayer. Compare to halo 3, and R2 pisses on it.

And i'll tell you alittle something Blade.

With the updates PS3 has had, within, dev tools. Gears 2 would run alot better on ps3. No slowdown. And it slows down on 360 with nothing going on.

all these comparisons make me retarded, seriously i think i lose braincells reading this stuff.

all i can think of now is that 360 games look awesome, and ps3 games look fantastic. both impress me, i'm loving this gen so far.. little differences i dont even wanna know about, doesn't matter to me if Dead Space is a tad "cleaner" or "darker" or whatever on ps3, i'll play it and love it, and assume that many 360 owners do the same.

Bah, this is pointless.

As someone else mentioned, multi-platform games are designed to work exactly the same on each machine. Despite a few minor graphical differences they do exactly what they say on the tin. Only fanboys worry about anti-aliasing and muddy textures.

What we really should be comparing is how the graphics in exclusive games compare between consoles.

They really make these fanboy numptys loose the plot. LOL

They should compare first or second party game developers for each console. At least first or second party game developers are familiar with each console's architecture and knows how to maximize it. These comparison are pointless and are meant to fan the fire of fan boys arguments.

cod is looking better on ps3 look at the uniforms and gun detail

did nobody else notice that in the 360 pictures, they had the guy standing closer to objects than in the ps3 picture. of course the the stand is going to look clearer if its closer to the player... weak

I really don't think fallout 3 was anymore impressive graphically than oblivion to begin with. Let's do a comparison of MGS4 and ANY 360 game. Let's compare games with a little originality (NO MORE FPS!!!) Of course multiplatform games are gonna play better on 360 as that's the system most of these things are developed for anyway. If these games were developed to look and play the best on ps3, there would be no possible way they could make a 360 version look and play the same way. I'm still waiting for MAG to be announce for 360...

Oh, when i see console sales charts, I always subtract 1/3 of 360 sales.... make a faulty console just to boost sales is pathetic. 360 is just as worthless as vista

This is so stupid, cant believe people make articles like this still. First of all, Multi-platform games. Most of them will look better on 360 because they are made on the 360 and then imported to the ps3. If you really want to know which one has more graphic power look in the dam specs omg and stop this dumb articles. Look at both system specs and look at their Graphics cards, look at specs about them and you judge.

the developers said during E3 that the 360 was going to be the lead platform. I'm not surprised that the PS3 got the short end of the stick. However, the differences seem pretty minimal, not enough to be that noticeable. Regardless, I got the PC version (which is better than both console versions), so there.

cmd5150.

Of course the pc version should look better.

More ram etc.

and not to mention, most pc gamers sit very close to the screen etc.

On a large hdtv, you really don't need to.

But there isn't alot of difference with mplats, but there was never meant to be.

And considering PS3'S hardware.

Why do you think they said 10years.

It'll take 5years to get most from it.

And although games are about.graphics/gameplay, whatever way you want to do it.

It's an art style at the end of the day.

Kinda like naughty dog with Uncharted. They could have created the exactly same look as with gears, but why would you want to.

But i'll tell you this for nothing. I know alot of 360 owners are waiting for KZ2.

PS3 has 256MB XDR dedicated to Cell + 256MB GDDR3 dedicated to RSX

total: 512MB

people say that RSX has access to both, but that's only partially true. Cell/RSX has been worked on in such a way that it could be considered a combined rendering array. So, RSX may be aided by Cell, which in turn uses that XDR pool. The memory is STILL hardwire programmed to be dedicated to their respectful processors.

x360 has 512MB GDDR3 shared between Xenon and Xenos + 10MB EDRAM dedicated to Xenos

total: 522MB

the 360 uses 10MB for its framebuffer, all other game data (textures, levels, sounds) are loaded into the shared memory. The framebuffer gives Xenos the bandwidth it needs to render scenes in tiles. The ideal resolution most 360 games aim for is 1280x720 with 4xMSAA. That can be later upscaled to 1080 via HANA.

It is PARAMOUNT to know that these specs do not guarantee that games will be rendered at the resolutions people quote. Developers make compromises in order to fit their entire game work load. Some have chose to run with less AA samples, others might drop to sub HD. Some might run a few pixels less than standard resolutions (like 1280x704 etc). Some might get stretched and pulled through up/down scaling.

Both consoles produce nearly identical results, though x360 maintains a staggeringly much lower MSRP.

You cannot trust this at all. The close up on Dead Space PS3is altered DRASTICALLY and I fear loads of these comparisons are done by people with an agenda(as is the direct case here). I've played Dead Space on both consoles on the very same TV and the PS3 version(admittedly for a change) is vastly better. It depends which is the lead platform and nothing more imo which is why we now start seeing a few games(Dead Space and Mirror's Edge lately)which are superior on PS3 whereas in 2007 only really Oblivion was better on PS3 and that was just because lazy Bethesda had just got more bugs(though not nearly enough to be selling a product even then which sadly they continued this year making the already dreary looking Fallout3 unplayable for many people on all platforms) out in the extra time they had on it.

So there you go if half the multi platform games were lead on each console you'd have a 50/50 split in which console does best(as long as you're honest and don't mess with things a la Gamespot)graphically-these comparisons are dumb and redundant and way too open to falsehoods and abuse. I choose to believe what I see myself and not what someone decided the result should be. People shouldn't bring the Wii in on this either because ALL wii multiplats ARE ports and never develpoed purely for that console whereas one of PS360 will always be the lead development console so saying that having the 360 as lead hasn't prevented tham releasing poorer versions on the Wii is irrelevant in the "are games dumbed down because of being developed on 360 for PS3" argument. If the 360 IS the lead console on dev then inevitably some performance of where the PS excels will be lost and the same will be true in reverse. We cannot tell from what we have seen so far just what is true and bollox comparisons obviously filled with alterations don't doanything to help us know any better.

That said I do feel that we now see almost all the 360 can offer(on Gears2 say) and that we still have a year or so before we get devs to that level on PS3 so maybe all the comparisons are very premature in any case. I'm not saying either is definitely better, as I said the lead platform always looks best to me, but we'll never know the truth from drivel like this.

The games look great on both consoles. I didn't see where one looked decidedly better than the other, but there will always be differences just because of the differences in the graphics hardware.

My conclusion is that it is a waste of time to argue over minor differences. Just enjoy your games.

As the point of multiplatform development is to make both the PS3 and 360 versions as identical as possible.

All that these countless news articles prove is that whether you get the PS3 or 360 version of a title, there's no discernable nor significant difference in quality.

Axecution

Posted Nov 27, 2008 7:22 pm ET

People, please remember that these crappy ass comparisons mean nothing. The PS3 does not force people to have RGB Full-range and Super-white on like the 360 does. in all 360 ports, they should look the exact same (literally) if you simply turn these features on in the Video Settings of the PS3.

Its the PS3 exclusives that the graphics really shine. Even a year after Uncharted was released, the 360 has not even come close to matching its visuals and 7.1 uncompressed audio.

Again, these comparisons are useless. Keep in mind also that resolutions are different on each console despite microsoft always lying and putting 1080p on their boxes even though Halo 3 was actually 640p... Due to the changing resolutions (I believe guitar hero 3 had a higher verticle resolution on the 360, and a higher horizontal resolution on the ps3. Just using that as an example...), these 540p compressed pile-of-crap images definately dont do the games justice.

These articled = FUD. Yes, even on things like soul calibur where they look 10X better on the PS3 in the screenshots... it means nothing.

360 fanboys are going to have to try harder to make the PS3 look bad.
After realizing what one can do with brightness on a tv to make one game look better then another (IE:GameTrailers.com), I'm not convinced.

I think the 360 fanboys are getting worried that when Home comes out and the new trophies and the ever increasing library of the PS3, their 360 just will not measure up.

I see no other reason why 360 fanboys waist their own time trying to trash the PS3.

The 360 has a ton of great games.........so why don't you Fanboys go play them, because the PS3 isn't going anywhere just because you don't like it!

Happy RRoD and may M$ customer service treat you well.

will be announced exclusively with the 360 and all you sony tools would shut up about killzone2

they are both graphically powerfull

Every time they do this, there are always fanboys screaming how the one system their parents allow them to own is more powerful. Seriously without developers to back these systems up, all you got is an overpriced paperweight. Metal gear solid 4 doesn't look good just cuz of the power of the PS3, it looks good because of Kojima Prod. is committed to making an excellent product. The same goes for Gears of War and Epic games. This is the reason why a game like Turok, which uses UE3, doesn't look as good as GeOW, which also uses UE3. So how about we give credit where credit is due and start talking about how great some of these developers are.

I own all three "next-gen" consoles.

The cross-platform titles are going to be pretty much the same. However, if a game developer develops a game exclusively for the PS3, you get a game that is larger than the 8 gig limit on the Xbox DVD (id's new one is coming on multiple discs for 360), which gives you a stunning, stunning game.

Metal Gear Solid 4. Enough said. There is nothing close. It got a 10 on GameSpot. It rules.

Other PS3 exclusives that are better than the equivalent on the 360:
Resistance 1 & 2 (60 player multiplayer on #2)
Ratchet & Clank (huge levels with incredible detail)
Motor Storm (including the new one)
Ninja Gaiden
Heavenly Sword
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (this game is seriously underrated. It rocks and looks fantastic. You stop and look at the environment around you, it's so good.)

Play LittleBigPlanet and then show me a game that comes close on the 360.

The PS3 has a HUGE advantage in that it's games come on a BD disc that holds 50 gigs. The cross-platform games are seriously held back by the 360's 8 gig, last generation DVD disc. Several recent games had problems fitting their games on the Xbox 360 disc. id's new game is going to come on at least 2 Xbox 360 discs, according to id. So get used to swapping discs, which is no problem in a linear game, but a pain in the ass with the open-world game id is going to put out.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.