NVIDIA marketing at it's best, if you look at the slides they're comparing the RTX 3000 to the RTX 2000 specially when both GPUs are using Ray Tracing and DLSS. I suspect a different story if we're talking RAW performance excluding those 2 features as most games still don't have support for both especially DLSS. But it makes sense to compare them since those 2 huge improvements between the 3000 series and the 2000 series are the main selling points.

That being said these cards are still an amazing value compared to the RTX 2000. Looking at the RAW specs the 3070 is basically an overclocked 2080s that cost $200 less with better memory and a lower TDP, the 3080 is basically an overclocked 2080 ti that cost $300 - $500 less with faster memory, but 1GB less and a higher TDP. So in RAW performance, we're only getting a stair-step boost in these GPUs, but as more games start to use Ray Tracing and DLSS, these cards will really start to shine.

i exepected this totally.first gen of new revolutionary techs are always crap.as happened to first gen of ray tracing cards .like first gen of led tv first gen of oled tvs ..... its just a prototype that they demand money for .

"If you look at the slides they're comparing the RTX 3000 to the RTX 2000 specially when both GPUs are using Ray Tracing and DLSS"

Well ABizzel1 you need to get yourself over to Digital Foundry that provide comparable numbers with other games.

Borderlands 3 and Doom Eternal don't have ray tracing. Control numbers shown were both with ray tracing/DLSS and without. Still showed massive gains in excess of 80 percent @ native 4K for the former.

Besides the fact that ray tracing performance MATTERS significantly at this point, if the consoles are using it on the majority of titles lightly it'll be plastered with much higher quality all over the PC versions.

The dawn of industry wide real time ray tracing is upon us, the benchmarks with it enabled are the entire point frankly, so I don't see it as a valid complaint. You can't separate raw raster performance from ray tracing anymore when it comes to next gen games, it'll be too prevalent.

3070 is G6 not G6X

I know that 3070 20 TFLOPs it's crazy. Double PS5 and almost double series x, the 3080 & 3090 are beyond another level of performance.

3080 is crushingly fast though.

It'll obliterate either next gen console, especially with ray tracing enabled. Which is kind of the point.

It costs that much because it's that much faster.

That 500 is for a gpu only....

@anonymousfan

It doesn’t seem crazy. It makes sense to me. The graphics card is $500 alone. The PS5 is rumored to be $400(w/o disc slot)-$500 (w/ disc slot). The Xbox Series X is rumored to be $500-$600. The Nvidia gpu is not including all of the other features in the PS5/XboxSX. If you were to build a pc with this gpu and then came close to matching the other specs it would be over $1,000. Also, pc’s have been more powerful than consoles for a while now. PS4 and Xbox One were not more powerful than the most powerful pc you could build at the time.

Here is a link to the comparable parts and their prices (subtract $100 from his overall estimate since you could use the RTX3070 in place of his chosen gpu):
https://pcpartpicker.com/li...

Here is the link to the youtube video:
https://youtu.be/JC7YlA3ANz...

Yes, these graphics cards will kill the PS5 and Series X, but for what the consoles will cost, they represent great value and performance for the money. The next gen consoles, are after all, top of the line when compared to the top GPUs out on the market right now, and that's pretty damn good.

Incredible value. But I'm definitely going to put in the extra $200 for 3080.

I would love to be a fly on the wall at AMD HQ right now.

Yeah the 3080 looks so tempting now ... 😋

@RazzerRedux

I think AMD will be okay if the rumors are to be believed, well at least in Raw performance.

We know AMD has a 40CU and 56CU RDNA 2 GPU (basically the PS5 and Series X GPUs), and AMD also likely has much higher clock speeds than NVIDIA since the RTX 3000 series is around 1.7 GHz across the board on boost clock, but the Series X is 1.85 and PS5 up to 2.23, and the current RX 5700 XT is just under 2 GHz.

So let's say all the AMD GPUs are around 2GHz. That puts the 40CU GPU at just over 10TFs, and the 56CU card at 14.336TFs. Which makes them great competitors against NVIDIA's RTX 3070.

The big question is if Big Navi is only 64CU or the rumored 80CU. At 64CU it puts them in the ballpark of the RTX 3080, however, an 80CU card puts them in the ballpark of the RTX 3090.

IMO I think we'll see a 40CU, 56CU, 64CU, and 80CU card from them, to compete on all fronts.

The problem with AMD will be 2 things.

1. They simply won't be able to compete neck and neck when RayTracing is involved. AMD's solution has been consistently rumored to be on par with Turing and slightly better in some aspects where the RTX 3000s series is easily showing to be 2x as good as Turing. Add DLSS to that equation and in those games and NVIDIA takes a commanding lead.

2. When will AMD be able to get the competing cards to market. NVIDIA will have all 3 GPUs out by mid-October, and possibly a RTX 3060 before November. AMD has to prove they can get all 4 of those GPUs out before the holiday season kicks off, or else they lose any ground they could have made.

So in RAW performance and probably price AMD should be okay if the rumors are true, but in features and added benefits AMD is a step behind NVIDIA.

If you have a simple look at the CUDA core increase between Turing and Ampere, you'll know what you are saying is false. It might not be a 100% increase, but it is far more than a stair step increase.

https://www.pcgamer.com/son...

A 3080 should guarantee any PS5 game to be ran @60fps/4k at Ultra settings as it has ~2.5x more power. Heck... at this pace I'll probably run Horizon Zero Down at Max settings (4k/60) out of horse power with a 3080 before they patch the damn game.

Sony already claimed they will look at more 1st party moving to PC to increase profit. Win-win for everyone.

That's not going to be the case anymore. Horizon was to test the waters and it did just fine. Titles should release quicker and probably will have PC in mind from the groun in the future. Don't expect PS5 games to land on PC later than 1 year after release.

You seem salty that Sony is bringing games to PC.

You do realize it's going to happen faster, and more often, right? You don't test the waters, and then run away after you find another giant market that wants your product.

"Who cares about a game 3 years down the road anways". The PC market; and Sony is noticing, and that window of PC release will slowly shorten and shorten.

You'll learn to accept that.

Warriors never stop fighting for their land and emperor

I got my money waiting for a 3080 its the best value for me guess ill pass down my 1080 to my Nephew i got lots of spare parts to build him a new pc. Its not the best gaming pc but on a 1080P monitor it will still do over 100fps he will be good for his fortnight games thats all he plays oh and pub G.

Have 9990KS and waiting to see if PCI 3.0 vs 4.0 will limit performance of the 3090 and also if it will fit in my case if its all good I think I will upgrade my RTX 2080ti.

There will be zero impact.

@Edgelordsupreme Thats not true the 2080 Ti was being bottlenecked by pcie3.0 x8 that has never happened so we dont know how this will effect the numbers on pcie 4.0 at much higher speeds and Nvidias new I/O im looking at my motherboard now that doesnt support Pcie 4.0 and thinking you maybe have to go.

Yeah 3080 is more value but some people just want the best no matter the price.

Nv Link SLI? 2 RTX 3080s

Awesome. Even though those are cherrypicked examples it's clear that the 3080 is a big upgrade over the 2080. I'd consider everything above 50% increase very good, 70-80% is quite insane to be honest.

Is 40%-45%. 100 Vs 180 is not 80%.

80:180=44
44% diference in Performance.

Watch the video, thats exactly how they are wording it because they talking >>increases<<.

1 (baseline) vs 1.8 is a 80% performance >>increase<< not difference.

Man im so glad i skipped the 1st gen RTX my 1080 was keeping up with ray tracing off few games supported it now its time to upgrade 120 fps at 1440P couldnt max my 165hrz monitor the 3080 will.

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse