Pretty sure the issue is that, once again, MS have graphically downgraded and delayed a title they've hyped to no end. The only thing surprising at this point, to me anyway, is that they want to put it out piecemeal when I'm pretty sure they said that already. That MP was going to come out first for "free". Don't get why they'd say that only to then announce the delay, *then* repeat what they've already said.

And as far as effecting PS5, the only thing this delay might do is further increase demand as a few former Xbox fans get tired of s**t like this.

While true, prior xbox systems did have more games marketed instead of XSX which seemed to place most of its marketing weight behind halo. There are games coming with the XSX launch, but MS has been promoting those as cross gen games. Halo was distinctly different in how they marketed it, with less emphasis on its cross gen release.

No company should rely on only one game for launch, but MS did, and they dont have enough marketed for the long term to build the prospects for what's to come. There just isn't that much to look forward to beyond promises, and the promise is starting to crumble around Phil. It's at the straw breaking the camel's back point, and MS has nothing to recover from the blow.

Darth

Early adopters are hardcore gamers so I agree early on both systems will sell. Early on PS4/Xbox one sold neck and neck until few months later when PS4 started to dominate. Ms better release some amazing exclusives early on otherwise they will be in an uphill battle which it is the case anyway

What I want to know is what have 343 spent all that money and resources along with 5 years. 343 have some heavy hitters when it comes to great developer I feel like this is the case of too many chefs in the kitchen. They hired the best from around the world yet their game quality has been very sub par

I just feel like Sony has such a huge install base of gamers from PS4 to ps5 that they transition would be a lot smoother. It will be hard for Ms to convince those who have PS4 be to switch to XSX. Where as those gamers know Sony will release amazing games because of all the excellent games they released this generation

Ps5 is expected to outsell XSX halo or not so I agree I don't know how big of a difference it makes. The last halo game to sell like a system seller was halo 3 with multi hundred million dollar advertisement campaign. So we than no halo game has come close to the sale numbers of halo 3(which btw in today's sales standards aren't out of this world to begin with)

On to your point about halo and graphics ok I give you that but when current halo graphics and weapon textures look worst than halo reach than we do have to bring up graphics. Also Phil Spencer and Xbox fanbase can't have it both ways when the argument suits them they use graphics and power argument and when it doesn't than graphics don't matter

Just like when it was halo vs killzone sales matter but when it comes to GT vs Forza sales don't matter. Phil Spencer has a habit of talking from both sides of his mouth and so does Xbox fanbase

You can have an event and not show gameplay than hype up your 2nd show and hype up power, graphics, budget for halo, new engine and 5 years of development than show a game that looks like a last generation game. In this race of putting everything on gamepass quantity matters not quality. Gamepass will be filled with AA games from Ms until their studios have multiple teams making AAA games. Many of Ms studios are working on multiple projects yet they aren't big enough to handle multiple AAA projects

Phil started talking at VGA 2019 about XSX Sony stayed quite giving Ms free market to themselves yet this is what they have to show for it? Where Sony announces their features in PlayStation blog because their competition can't do anything right and their one event gave all the momentum to ps5 even though at best it was a good not great event(I am a huge PlayStation fan but I can admit when Sony doesn't deliver something Xbox fans need to do and start holding Phil responsible for all the stuff he says instead of praising regardless

Okay...

But, right now, the game was supposed to be out for the SX launch. Not somewhere mid generation like other Halo games. Don't deflect the importance of this as a launch title.

Without it there's little to get real excited about around XSX this holiday. You may be right in that there's enough Xbox gamers/parents that will pick up the next one regardless and it might sell out. And most people aren't like us hanging around talking about Phil lol. But you can't deny it's a bad way to start and if Halo takes another year, that will give Sony more time to make the PS5 story more compelling with HZD, GT, and at least one more surprise.

360 graphics is incredible hyperbole.

It was promised to launch with new Xbox by Spencer It was promised to throwback like Xbox og launched with halo 1

I don't think releasing it at its current state would have made any difference. The game looks bad.

At this point people just want to complain. Why does it matter if this helps or hurts MS? Can we not just be happy that when Halo does come, it would release in a better state than what it would have had it released this year?

Why so much tribalism around games? How does Sony/MS/Nintendo doing bad or good affect our lives and our finances?

MS delays a game. Yes, it will hurt Xbox sales at launch, but why should we care? We should be more happy that they are spending more time to not released a half baked product.

It didn't have Halo as a launch game but they came out of the gates announcing Halo 3 as an exclusive game and that was during it's peak so it drew a massive crowd by that alone.

In a word "No".

The PS5 is already sold out for this year. Fans were committed to buying PS5 when it was first announced there would be a PS5. Sony has a proven track record and fans are buying based on the track record.

Honestly, I'm a big Halo fan but mainly play on Playstation. The moment they announced Infinite was coming out on Xbox One is when they lost my money for the Series X. I'm hopeful they can pull off making something of a decent Halo after two really bad fumbles but 343i certainly doesn't have much of my faith to warrant buying a possibly $500+ console right away. I'll get it eventually but right now I'll play Halo on XBO.