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Phil Spencer shoots down Game Pass coming to Switch, competing systems

Phil Spencer discusses why services like Game Pass won't show up on competing platforms, and it all boils down to control.

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darthv722140d ago

XCloud maybe but not gamepass. GP is xbox games that are downloaded to the system and the system must either be a PC that meets the requirements or an xbox one/s/x. Switch is not an xbox, ps4 is not an xbox but both of those could be used to stream xcloud because the bulk of the processing is done at the server level. The platform is simply used for interactions.

mcstorm2140d ago

@daethv72 love how you got down votes for the reason gamepass won't be on any consoles but xbox and pc. People who thought game pass would don't understand what game pass is.

Xcloud on the other hand may do but I still can't see this service being used on Nintendo & Sony consoles.

1Victor2140d ago

Isn’t that anti consumer tactics too?

Chris122140d ago

In what way is that anti-consumer? Confused

S2Killinit2140d ago

Didnt they say it was coming aome months ago? They made a big deal out of it if I remember correctly. Was that all lies then?

King_Noctis2140d ago

How? It is THEIR service. They have a rights to do whatever they please with it.

In case you have forgotten, they have a console to sell as well. Sony or Nintendo don't put their games on other platforms too, does that mean they are anti consumer?

RauLeCreuset2140d ago

"How? It is THEIR service. They have a rights to do whatever they please with it."

Agreed.

"In case you have forgotten, they have a console to sell as well. Sony or Nintendo don't put their games on other platforms too, does that mean they are anti consumer?"

Nope. What's being challenged is the notion that certain established practices suddenly become labeled as "anti consumer" the moment Xbox does something different in pursuit of their own business interests and dress it up as being about being pro consumer or choice.

They could push to bring Game Pass to other consoles the same as they've pushed for cross-play with other consoles. Why not give gamers the option of subscribing to Game Pass with the understanding that it won't be accompanied by certain features of Xbox Live, the same way they promote playing on multiple devices with the understanding that some hardware like the Series X will provide a premium experience not found on weaker hardware like the Xbox One S? What happened to meeting gamers where they're at, providing the option, and letting them choose? The difference is, unlike with cross-play or their new insistence on making their 1st party exclusives cross gen for the first couple of years, Xbox doesn't currently see any benefit to Xbox putting Game Pass on competing consoles.

rainslacker2140d ago

No. That's just the real world. Why would nintendo allow the service on their system when MS is the one making the licensing fees off the games, and most of the revenue off sub fees?

Yeah, closed systems are about control, and so is xbox. Same reason psnow isnt on xbox. But the reason for control is money, and for nintendos part, they have no reason to try and help MS on their service venture. Nintendo would be more likely to make their own service, relevant to their own customers. They may still use MS Azure, or any other number of products or services to do so, but that's a business decision that benefits them.

ApocalypseShadow2140d ago

I think he's just being sarcastic Rain. I got it. And laughed.

Sunny_D2140d ago

Sounds pretty anti consumer if you ask me. He wants to talk about gamers and not leaving them behind. Put your money where your mouth is Phil. Release them on other consoles. Otherwise nut up or shut up.

derek2140d ago (Edited 2140d ago )

1Victor you're right, it is anti-consumer. Going off what good guy Philip blabbers on and on about. I thought all the gaming companies were in it together. Lol

rainslacker2139d ago (Edited 2139d ago )

I got his intent.:) I wasn't arguing with him thinking he was being serious.

@derek

I think Phil should set the example instead of blaming other companies. He can allow Sony to put PSNow on Xbox consoles. If he wants to redefine the industry in MS image, then what better way to show how pro-consumer he is than giving MS customers even more choice. After all, Sony isn't even a competitor to MS according to Phil, so why not make a little off the top of Sony doing all that work to run PSNow. As demand for PSNow goes up, so does demand for cloud services, which means MS can double dip on Azure fees. It's a win win win for MS....or so I've been told by those who made a big deal about Sony using Azure servers.

@Raul

I'm fairly confident that MS would put its service on any device or platform that would allow it, and was capable of running it. Maybe not game pass, as that's signed code, but xCloud, with both eventually being thought of as a single service anyways

But, Nintendo or Sony have no vested interest in allowing MS do this, and Sony has even less interest. I'm not even sure it's great for MS considering licensing issues that could become a headache as the service grows, as more platforms means different sets of content for each...like console and PC does now.

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parkesy782140d ago

You were the kid at school who never let anybody play with your toys or share your sweets 😂

zackeroniii2140d ago

bu-bu-but i thought console exclusive games are anti-consumer and should be on all platforms!

those were phils and xbox fanboys words!!!

shows just how much these people don't even believe their own bs that they spew.

if they actually wanted console exclusives on all platforms and believed in that then they would want game pass on all platforms too.

but nope. can't believe people support this garbage ass corporation called microsoft.

chiefJohn1172140d ago (Edited 2140d ago )

Lmao said no one ever. Why y'all mad tho? 😆 Ppl upset cause GP ain't coming to their console ROFL I don't blame you, if I didn't have it, I'd desperately want it too. Beg a bit harder to Phil maybe he'll change his mind

zackeroniii2139d ago (Edited 2139d ago )

@cheifjohn117

guess what?

i don't want that pathetic excuse of a subscription service called game pass. i was just trying to prove a point. so you missed with trying to troll me. i was trying to prove a point with you xbots how your lord and savior phil continues to contradict himself and you guys defending it.

i'd rather play my new tlou p2 and ghost of tsushima than play 10 year old games that i could easily boot on my...umm...LAST GEN CONSOLE.

oh yeah and i don't want those boring and bland xbox "exclusives" either.

Chris122139d ago

@zackeronii

Why are you so toxic? Phil never said that, neither did Xbox fans. You seem very angry over something you don't want anyway? If you have to lie about what's been said to validate your own choices perhaps you should rethink your hobby.

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IRetrouk2140d ago

Did anyone expect it? Not only would ms have to allow it, so would the other companies....

crazyCoconuts2140d ago

Right, why would other companies let MS monetize on THEIR platform? No way.

russo1212140d ago (Edited 2140d ago )

@crazyCoconuts
"Right, why would other companies let MS monetize on THEIR platform? No way."

Why all xbox fanboys screamed about xplay then? Why would Sony allow integration with other platforms? XPlay should not be possible and gamepass neither (just leave it to xbox and PC).

Ausbo2140d ago

Well, obviously nintendo and Sony would have to get a cut, but yeah I agree it doesn’t help the platforms out at all.

yomfweeee2140d ago (Edited 2140d ago )

Yes, a lot of fools expected it. They always claim that all Microsoft cares about is getting their games every where. Literally makes no sense because why would a competitor allow it? And if they did, Microsoft would be put out of the console business. If all Game Pass games worked on PS5.... it would make zero sense to buy a Series X over PS5.

StoneyYoshi2140d ago (Edited 2140d ago )

But they said I can play xbox games "WHEREVER and Whenever". There goes MS with the misleading PR statements again. /s

Obscure_Observer2140d ago

@yomfweeee

"Yes, a lot of fools expected it"

Lmao! Yes. I heard lots of people who said Gamepass and future Xbox games would come to Playstation and Nintendo consoles.

Now they´re moving the goal posts. Again. XD

rainslacker2139d ago (Edited 2139d ago )

Didn't Spencer make some mention about how he'd put it on switch if they allowed it? Was back when they were doing the play together campaign with Minecraft....or whatever it was. I may be remembering it wrong, and that could have been about their cloud service though.

My recollection is pretty fuzzy about this, and while I don't recall there being a huge discussion or hype for the idea, I do recall there was some kind of talk about it.

I will fully admit that I may be wrong here. I just don't care to look it up.

Mithan2140d ago

No, MS wouldn't make any money off of it as Nintendo would get their 30% cut first.

Vits2140d ago

It really wouldn't make much sense as Microsoft would have to deal with licensing agreements for each and every platform that they support. That said if it was in the form of XCloud I could see it working and a modded Switch will likely be able to use it.

RazzerRedux2140d ago

Downloading an Xbox version of a game onto a PS system? Beyond the fact that the two systems have entirely different APS, I'm pretty sure such an event would cause a gravitational singularity to form within the console, thus sucking the Earth into a giant black hole and ending life as we know it.

1Victor2140d ago

@razzer that’s what they said about sega games on Nintendo/ PlayStation

RazzerRedux2140d ago (Edited 2140d ago )

Completely different though. First, that happened after Sega exited the console-making business and became a publisher only. Second, we are not talking about MS putting their games on other platforms. I don't think Sony would have a problem with Gears or Halo being published on PS at all since Sony would get 30% of that revenue. That is beyond doubtful regardless. No, we are talking about Sony allowing a MS service into their ecosystem. Why would either want that? Sony would lose out on game sales and MS would have to share portion of the Game Pass revenue with Sony. This doesn't make sense for either side. The best anyone could hope for is Project xCloud on Switch and even that is unlikely.

@ActualWhiteMan

Hardly "very possible" as Sony would still require a part of the revenue to allow it and doubtful Microsoft would want to share as xCloud is going to be on a number of devices that don't require them to. Remember, nothing happens on these closed garden consoles without the platform owner allowing it. This isn't just up to Microsoft. Sony makes the final decision on everything.

ActualWhiteMan2140d ago

Gamepass Never.... XCloud, very possible. Those games are streamed not run/stored locally.

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Take-Two CEO Once Again Side Steps Grand Theft Auto 6 Price Point

Strauss Zelnick says price of GTA 6 is being carefully considered and that Rockstar is focused on "making the most spectacular piece of entertainment on Earth."

Kuma32d ago

If GTA 6 abandons everything that made GTA 5 great, it will crash and burn right out of the gate. GTA 5 was funny and not at all PC. My worry is that they will cave to the PC crowd and ruin the vibes.

Eonjay32d ago

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

gigoran832d ago

"Rockstar Games’ co-founder and former VP of Development Jamie King said he envisions GTA 6 as a game that’s “maybe not quite as edgy or quite as funny” as its satirical predecessors."

oh yeah, totally internet grifters spreading rumors...

blacktiger32d ago

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

1nsomniac32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Meh.., if it’s above £55 I ain’t buying it.

Rockstar are genuinely not half the company they used to be. I was a die hard GTA fan I’ve purchased every game and expansion and spin off day 1.

My opinion of GTA6 is that I can take it or leave it. Not bothered. They burnt too many bridges.

DaReapa32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

So they're actually leaving the door open for an L.A. Noire sequel? Nice!

VaNdAl32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

He should just come out and say it already it's getting stupid it's going to be a 100 bucks $200 for the special edition🤡🤡; 29315;🤣♿

Storm2332d ago

I won't be getting this game until I can get it for $70. SHoot, I could wait for it to be even lower. I don't need the game that badly as my backlog is still huge and I am enjoying playing other things.

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Talking Aliens: The Video Games With Author Mike Diver

Skewed and Reviewed have posted an interview with Author Mike Diver about his pending book on Aliens video games.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay33d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn234d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn233d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown33d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay33d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay33d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac33d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger34d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300034d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde34d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde33d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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