Remember though, most of these devs speaking out are working with that console exclusively.

Same with the series X. Medium, scorn and the ascent devs have spoken out about the power of the X. These are devs working exclusively on that platform. You have to take it with a grain of salt

Bottom line is we have to see the game output, the first party differences and the digital foundry comparisons (if you care about that).

@Kumakai

It's well established here that you don't understand the technical terms you talk about. Quit lying on here. Just stop.

Frequency cycles? That's not even a term lol. You just thought the two sound right together because all you do is Ad-Lib technical terms.

"push it hard on occasion to hit 10 TFLOPS without over-extending the pipeline continously"

Nope. Officially the console maintains its 10.28TFlop performance constantly. This was spoken of during the Road To PS5. Variable is to allow excess power and resources to be sent to the GPU from multiple avenues to maintain system stability and lower power usage. Also, to maximize on the fact that CU's are not fully utilized and fall off quite easily as you go higher.

" If you let off the throttle in your car, your car uses less energy and slows down. The ps5 is no different. This is basic computing and basic physics."

Again, you know nothing. The PS5 is basically just switching gears to maintain speed but use less gas. The games it plays are the roads it drives on that tell it what MPH/KMH it can go. If a game runs at 60fps with the same fidelity even while the system downclocks by 20%, then what's the point in running at 100% clock? There is no reason to be 100% clock if the game isn't demanding enough. The benefit is that these variable designs allows better power delivery to the GPU, the most important factor, which means better stability, less frame-pacing, stuttering, or frame drops.

You don't even understand what variable means, completely lie about dropping to 8TF of all numbers, and don't even realize that variable is a common feature for this hardware. The difference is that consoles didn't need variable in the past, but because AMD PowerShift is now a thing, it benefits APU's tremendously. It's not just about being supplied power to get to a TFlop number. It's also the consistency, flexibility, and efficiency of that power delivery that increases performance.

Sustained clock speed has zero benefit over variable. Once a product is confirmed to sustain a clock, we already know its capability just the same. PS5 is confirmed to sustain both max clocks simultaneously even in demanding titles. Do you even know that, even while running the same clock constantly, that a GPU can perform slower than usual? If all the resources of the GPU are being utilized, the clock speed is just hogging some juice that can go elsewhere. SmartShift + variable means that even brutally demanding titles that use nearly all GPU resources, and could benefit from even a very small clock decrease to increase efficient cycles and push other hardware will be better off than constant clocks that have no flexibility.

Whats your portfolio? What have you worked on? Surely if you know your stuff you'd have no use hiding your success.

For graphics cards the clock speed is determined by the temperature of the GPU. The expected frequency range is between the base and boost clock. This method means that ambient temps, airflow, and the cooling solution of the card have an impact on the performance. The upside is that you are getting the maximum performance at any given time.

For consoles this approach wouldn't be ideal, because it would result in performance inconsistency. Instead, clock speeds are generally more conservative, but fixed. Console manufacturers try to design a cooling solution that can deal with a reasonably realistic worst case scenario (dusty console, hot summer day and so on). If the chip can't be cooled sufficiently on the highest fan speed the console shuts itself off to avoid overheating.

If I understood Cerny's explanation correctly Sony identified a problem with the traditional method used on consoles. With fixed clocks, some situations consume a lot more power than others. More power consumption means more heat produced. Counterintuitively in many of those situations, the rendered geometry is actually rather simple. On PS4 this problem is expressed by an unnecessarily high fan speed in situations like map screens for God of War and Horizon or something like the loadout screen in MGSV.

To avoid these problems Sony has adopted a variable frequency model, effectively setting a maximum power budget for the SoC. When a situation like the map screen in God of War happens on PS5, the Power control module examines the chip activity and lowers the clock speed to avoid producing unnecessary heat.The big advantages of that model is the elimination of power spikes compared to the traditional console model and accordingly higher predictability of the temperature variance. Unlike the graphics card temperature dependent model, this produces consistent performance across all PS5 consoles. I expect the fan control to still be based on the temperature of the SoC and if the PS5 were to overheat it would probably shut itself down just like the other consoles.

Finally, SmartShift is a technology that allows an APU to deliver unused CPU power to the GPU and vice versa. I'm not sure if it's one way on the PS5, but it's safe to say that most of the time it'll be shifting unused CPU power to the GPU. It's important to note that this does not necessarily require a downclock of the CPU or GPU.

the PS5 can run at full 10.3tf as long as it needs to. It's not a short burst that it can sometimes run. The thing being done is explained quite well by sinspirit above, so I won't repeat it here, but basically, it allows devs to decide where to put the power they want to use.

TF ratings are just a measure of the potential max number of floating point operations that a processor can perform per second. It isn't a measure on actual graphic rendering potential, as there are many things that will be required to do that. GPU's aren't the renderers, it's the software and processes themselves which do that, and the GPU just spits out data in a format the TV can understand.

Their headlines stick out like sore thumbs.

I still believe a developer with experience making games than anyone else in this industry.

Why does it matter if you heard of them or not? They're professionals. I would still like their opinion because you know.... It's their area of expertise?

Still a developer who knows more than us, back in April an obvious troll on twitter was stating that Sonys console was struggling and Xbox fanboys were all over it like gospel then developers were coming out praising PS5 on its SSD and ease of development and then suddenly Xbox fanboys: "they don't know what there on about"

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

See you day 1 brother

Hallelujah!

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

You don't really know how this works huh?

Helix will get fsr5.

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.