Druckman is Israeli. He knows a thing or two about never ending war.

@Hakuoro
robberies are actual rational, just not moral. they are mostly prevented by the force of law. we have all witnessed what happens in the absence or weakness of law.

what makes the revenge saga in this game unbelievable is stakes and the cost. traveling ling distance should be very difficult. that was actually a fundamental plot device in the 1st game but in this game it's a casual decision to abandon those who need you to travel 100's of miles in search for vengeance.

@P_Bomb1h
"Rape of Nanking" is humans acting in character. things like that still happen in the world today. this is what I mean by sheltered life

She is so irrelevant.. 10hours in and still so bored of it. Worst pair in gaming, Ellie and Dina 🤢🤢🤢

SPOIL
I think it's so bad written especially when she's trying to take revenge for the main protagonist who gets barely mentioned.. His disappearance is the biggest disappointment and letdown.
No funeral, no sad moment.. Joel losing his daughter in the first one was what made that game one of the best ever.. I felt no anger, no sorrow in Ellie, and didn't feel nothing but disappointment as a player

*I think it's so bad written especially when she's trying to take revenge for the main protagonist who gets barely mentioned.. His disappearance is the biggest disappointment and letdown.
No funeral, no sad moment*

Hmmmmm.. what ? You sure you are playing the game

It’s important to keep in mind that this is all taking place in a lawless “society” where survival in many instances relies on kill or be killed.

Morality in this fictional world should be looked at with that context. It is more tribal. There is no more collective “humanity” in this fictional world, just “us” and “them” tribes. Revenge is a primal response that fits perfectly in a world where there’s little else to lose.

"Rape of Nanking is humans acting in character. things like that still happen in the world today.”

You saying that default Japanese character is to murder maim and torture?! Not all Japanese soldiers were like that. People are malleable.

“this is what I mean by sheltered life“

Stay in school kids.

@P_Bomb

saying that's what soldiers do to those they conquered. this happens today in Syria, Libya, Iraq. humans are sold as cattle today.

"They don't want equality of treatment or an individualist merit-based society, they merely want to create a new hierarchy. Basically what it amounts to is people engaging in prejudice and then justifying their prejudice by deluding themselves into believing that it's all ok by framing their prejudice as being anti-prejudice. Truly perverse."

So a person who wants someone to stop harassing them is wrong for wanting people to stop? People wouldn't be asking for change if their wasn't a problem. When racism, sexism and homophobia stop people will stop asking for change, not the other way around.

What your saying is people should just deal with hate until the people causing the hate decide to act as "enlightened as you claim you are" but that's not how reality works. People who espouse hate will not willingly stop. You're putting the cart before the horse racism causes "SJW's" not the other way around.

As the saying goes, A man doesn't ask for water before they get before they get thirsty.

You don't think voter suppression is real? In Texas since the supreme court invalidated provisions in the voting rights act Texas has closed well over 100 polling sites greater than 80% of those sites have been in minority communities making it so many people have to travel 20 or more miles to get to polling centers that are going to be packed on a weekday when they probably need work.

Here is a google link pick your news organization to read about how bad the polling situation has become not surprisingly mostly in red states. This is not opinion this is what is happening.

https://bit.ly/3g3XunR

And as for gerrymandering and election rigging.

In Michigan the Democrats can have over 20% greater voter turnout and still not control the state Congressional houses and that is a common thing in many states that have been gerrymandered using computer modeling. Let me remind you in the last presidential election Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote by 3 million votes which is just another example of systemic failures in the electoral process.

Here are links to Republicans admitting they gerrymander. It's not opinion.

https://bit.ly/2NBTq1Z

See the problem is that the Republicans have chosen exclusion but the rate of "minorities" which in their terms has even become women it becomes harder and harder for them to gain more votes than the Democrats who all the people who feel excluded by the Republicans are forced to turn to. That is the whole start of the modern white nationalist movement.

Just look at this image to see the difference in incoming house members from 2018's election. It's clear what the primary difference between the two groups are. The Republicans are all white men except one woman. The Democratic incumbents are half female and includes many people from all the other minorities groups. And that's because the Republicans for my whole life have increasingly excluded groups of people.

https://bit.ly/2YDCj6g