PS5’s Tempest Engine Is More Exciting Than GPU/CPU Speeds, Says Developer

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pwnmaster30002193d ago

Yeah it’s crazy we still barely know anything about the PS5 and it’s shaping up to be an amazing console already... can’t wait for the full reveal

bouzebbal2193d ago

Looks like Magic Cerny hit that sweet Bulls Eye yet again.

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Kribwalker2193d ago

I’m glad both companies are investing further into audio this gen, as a current user user, 3d audio is pretty amazing. I really like the atmos support on the xbox one, i’ve only got a headset right now, but i’m gonna get the speakers soon for my home theatre. Nice to see Sony joining the fold and providing their own option of 3d audio and Ultra HD Bluray as well. Hopefully the tempest engine will be compatible with movies

ApocalypseShadow2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

3D audio was supported on PSVR and much better immersion than looking at a tv. And Blu-ray was made standard by Sony including Ultra. Not Microsoft.

Don't BS us with the joining Microsoft nonsense. You only benefited from sony. Where's HD DVD? The format Microsoft didn't even believe in and only used it to slow down Blu-ray adoption to push digital?

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darthv722193d ago

@shadow, you are saying the PS4 supported UHD bluray... and you didnt tell anybody else?

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morganfell2193d ago

@Shadow,

On the money. Disregard the pretenders.

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r2oB2193d ago

@ darthv72

Are you saying the Xbox 360 had blu ray support? That Microsoft didn’t join Sony in using blu ray discs with the Xbox One?

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ApocalypseShadow2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

https://www.google.com/amp/...
https://www.psu.com/news/mi...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Don't BS me Krib.

Thank Sony for Blu-ray and Ultra Blu-ray on your console. When Sony ads formats, it's to benefit games. Movies are a side effect for console. CD, DVD and Blu-ray.

There are no games that benefited from Ultra. Show me some Ultra Blu-ray games on Xbox?

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amazinglover2193d ago

@shadow PS4 does not play 4K blu-rays they only stream 4k and 3d audio is only through the VR headset not the console itself. None of what @Kribwalker is incorrect. The PS4 does not support 3d audio or 4k blu-rays. Plus who cares if MS didn't support blu-ray last gen where talking about now.

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ApocalypseShadow2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

Amazing, he's blabbing as if Microsoft is the company leading in 3D support and Blu-ray. Sony helped create Blu-ray. Ultra wasn't needed as no game benefits from it yet.

Sony has 3D audio. PSVR wouldn't be as awesome without 3D audio. PSVR doesn't work without PS4. There are more games that use 3D audio on PSVR than Xbox One.

This is the list as of March of this year for Xbox
https://www.windowscentral....

That's not leading. While almost all the PSVR games have 3D audio. ***Hundreds*** Who's joining who? Show me a list? And that's with 5 million headsets compared to like 50 million consoles.

Don't act like you know what you're talking about.

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Sharky2312193d ago

@shadow

The PS4 and PS4 Pro do not support UHD. I mean I love Sony but just sayin!

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rainslacker2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

Games built on Xbox actually use licensed Atmos sound? Just outputting the sound as Atmos sound isn't the same thing, and realistically, just outputting it as DTS:X Bitstream, and allowing any Atmos receiver convert it would achieve the same result of post sampled content. I just got a full set of speakers finally set up, and my PS4 outputs in bitstream DTS(not X), and my receiver is outputting it as Atmos now. I think the quality of the speakers, and the source material is probably more relevant than MS slapping an Atmos license on their box.

3D audio is nothing new at all. It's been in every major game engine since last gen, and some even before that. Atmos is just a standard by which 3D audio can be output, whereas a game engine, or codec, does similar things, and outputs it to whatever the system itself supports. Even Xbox is using this same principal, then converting it to Atmos output, but it lacks the spatial object aspects on the actual source coding, rendering it pretty superfluous to the end user for games. I don't know if any devs are actually spending the money to license Atmos for inclusion, but feel free to point out if they are. I'm actually curious if this is the case, since Atmos isn't particularly cheap to license.

some games have absolutely stunning use of 3D sound. Some games don't. In the end, what really matters is how well the sound production is for a game, and that quality of sound production is not dependent on an Atmos license, nor is Atmos and end all be all of what is possible with spatial sound techniques.

As far as Ultra HD Blu-Ray....

You'll have to explain to me what game on either system actually benefits from that. It's pretty well known that the disc is just an installation and DRM mechanism. All games run off the hard drive. If you're talking about movie support, then you'll have to explain why the PS3(note not PS4) Blu-Ray player using a TV's built in upscaler makes standard Blu-Ray movies look better than xbox's UHD movie output before you start giving MS credit, and saying it's great Sony is catching up on technologies which Sony actually created, or was a more a part in creating than MS was.

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Army_of_Darkness2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

Current gen audio is already great imo, so I'm more looking forward to 4k @ a solid 60fps and as for ultra Blu-ray support, I'm not interested. I just want the ps5 to support ps4 bc, external hdd, Mp3, mp4 and mkv files at launch and I'll be as happy as turkey escaping the thanksgiving slaughter fest.

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RabbitFly2193d ago

@Army_of_Darkness

I don't think you understand what this can bring to the table. I would advise you to put on some headphones and look up some binaural sound videos.

F. ex. this one https://www.youtube.com/wat... It is quite stunning how much of a difference this has the potential to create. Not so much the engine itself, but it's inclusion pushing developers to actually use the technology. As it is quite old.

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Knushwood Butt2193d ago

The whole thing about 3D audio is very muddy.

Using PSVR wired headphones and the '3D' audio you can get in a game like Horizon is not the same thing. I have the Sony platinum headset and have used it in both scenarios. Incidentally, that headset is the most uncomfortable pair of headphones I have ever owned. It only takes about 45 mins for rubber slab of a headband to start digging into my skull and demand that I slide the headphones either forward or backward on my head, then rinse and repeat when the discomfort starts again.

I hope the new tech in PS5 clears this all up.

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Knushwood Butt2193d ago

@ milo

When I fire up that platinum headset with Horizon Zero Dawn, it clearly says 3D audio enabled in the audio settings, so if that isn't 3D audio, what is it?

OpenGL2193d ago

Games don't benefit from Ultra HD Blu-ray yet because Microsoft couldn't justifiably release games on the higher capacity discs that launch Xbox Ones cannot play. That's why Sony didn't bother implementing it though on the Pro, it added cost and normal PS4 users couldn't ever run games released on the format.

The newer discs would benefit games though, like Red Dead Redemption 2, Final Fantasy VII, and The Last of Us Part 2, which all use two 50GB Blu-rays.

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purple1012193d ago

3 words.

Pressure
sensitive
triggers.

NecrumOddBoy2193d ago

Are you describing a liberal? :P

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porkChop2193d ago

They're not pressure sensitive. They're adaptive resistance. That's not the same thing. Pressure sensitive would mean they sense how light or hard you press, but that's not what the triggers do.

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TFJWM2193d ago

@porkChop I am not sure what you are talking about ps4 controllers already sense light and hard presses for the some of the triggers. I am not sure why the new controller couldn't be both adaptive resistance and pressure sensitive to a greater degree.

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porkChop2193d ago

@TFJWM

The triggers can see how far you've depressed them via a percentage, but they don't know the weight or pressure of your press. That's what pressure sensitive would mean.

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RabbitFly2193d ago

didn't the dual shock 3 technically have pressure sensitive triggers? It only functioned on a binary scale though, so I guess it's not really the same.

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Obscure_Observer2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

@Jin_Sakai

"Sony understands there’s more to a next gen console than teraflops."

So is Microsoft. As a hardcore gamer DLI, faster frame rates and enhanced legacy BC are the more important next gen features to me. 4K, Raytracing and faster loading times are nice but not essential.

As developers features goes, we´ll know which machine will have better performance on games rather sooner than later. After the PS5 reveal, publishers and developers will be able to talk more openly on target resolution and performance for each console.

I can´t wait.

RosweeSon2193d ago

Yeah but they have nothing to BC no one wants to play Binx the cat. If I want old games I’ll boot up my 360. As for features I can’t wait as well as with their games which is the main feature for games console they gonna smash it hands down ps5 for the win then Nintendo to come along and steal 2nd again in a couple of years. You like Microsoft we get it but the majority don’t and until they start releasing top quality games here and now 😑👎🏻 No thanks.

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_dangerclose_2193d ago

Really than why is teraflops all MS and especially its fanbase ever seem to want to talk about?

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Kumakai2193d ago

Yeah. We do. We also understand Sony has 0 hardware advantages over the series x... which also has hardware accelerated 3d audio... and more gpu... and faster ram... and faster cpu and equivalent load times (even if done differently).

pwnmaster30002193d ago

Must hurt seeing people praise PS5 lmao.

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TFJWM2193d ago

Can you read spec sheets? They both have advantages in different areas the question is which will make for better next gen games.

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RosweeSon2193d ago

Shame majority don’t care for any of what you just mentioned. You think Nintendo sold 100 millions Wii’s due to accelerated 3d audio more gpu faster ram faster cpu 😑🤣🤣 wii sports wii fit Wii GAMES. Consoles sold. It’s not rocket science. Ps2 smashed it because of Games and a bonus DVD player, ps3 survived (was a good battle tho/360) with blu ray and then came back fighting with PS4. They’ve barely even started talking about next generation yet and I’m already waaaaay more excited than any PR spiel I’ve heard from Microsoft this gen last and yeah heard it all before. You’ll see yet again this gen will be won by games not teraflops and FPS

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RabbitFly2193d ago

Well I don't really care that much about spec comparisons, but aren't you wrong on some of this?

More gpu - Sure
More cpu - Sure
Faster ram? very debatable. As far as I understand the split ram in the Series X means Xbox has either faster or slower depending on implementation and need of the developer. So it's not a clear cut faster ram.

Equivalent load times. Ok so now you are saying that the difference in ssd speeds and i/o is negligible. Considering the rest of your check list that makes very little sense. How can you claim that that difference is so negligible, but the cpu and gpu and ram is so important? Because the difference between ssd and i/o is much bigger between the two then the other things you mention.

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rainslacker2193d ago

Tempest is not accelerated 3D audio. It's a spatial pattern generator to help audio sound the way it should based on a person's individual hearing profile, and do this without needing a robust surround speaker set up. 3D audio doesn't even need to be accelerated, it's fairly common to be able to apply effects or location based positioning to any sound object in a game in relation to the player's camera(listening point), and has been a common feature on game engines since last gen, and was available before that. It's actually so common, it's not even really thought about by most devs anymore, as the game engine does all the work.

PS5 does have a audio hardware chip however. This will obviously be better than a software solution, and take up fewer resources overall, and can be utilized by the game engines to help create the necessary sounds. This chip will then apply the tempest features to said audio, and output it as needed.

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Chevalier2192d ago

Weird Xbox has the One X right now and yet regular PS4 games from Sony 1st party destroy all Xbox games in visuals. You think a significantly more powerful PS5 and really talented 1st party can't do it again? Lol.

But its not a surprise I recall you talking about all these exciting trailers or whatever your company was working on for the last Xbox showing? So all that boasting and it all fell flat. Maybe you forgot, but, Xbox 1st party studios haven't exactly impressed this whole gen even when they grabbed the power advantage.

Also if CPU, GPU and all this garbage your spewing is all a system is worth to you then you might want to reevaluate why people game. The Switch in being severely underpowered hasn't stopped it from having better 1st party games than Xbox. Also PS1, PS2, Wii, OG PS4, Switch all dominate and it doesn't take better graphics just good games. You know its a GAME console right?! Lol.

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DarXyde2193d ago

Certainly.

To me, Ghost of Tsushima looks next generation already, so the need for TF is likely not their priority. Great.

The PS5 is being engineered in a way that the whole is far greater than the sum of the parts. Feels like it's engineered to the point that technique and component synergy is really at the forefront of its design.

Really excited to learn more.

LordoftheCritics2193d ago

Love the sales pitches from both sides.

rainslacker2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

I just a nice set of rear channels, and moved my old rears which were decent to my sides, and have some highs in the front now which are OK, but nothing great, so I'm pretty well set for some great spatial sound. I've even talked my wife into moving the furniture around to accommodate a better surround environment, although that wasn't her reason for agreeing.:) I guess an actual subwoofer is the real last thing I need for 7.1.2, but my front speakers provide quite a bit of bass already, and maintain a lot of clarity.

I just wish I had taken advantage of a deal for some nice Klipsch speakers Best Buy had for one day this past week. Half off some R-820's. I have the one's from a couple years ago that a bit of a step down from those, only difference really being lining on tweeter horns being different, and they sound great, but 802's were nicer, and I could have used my front speakers as my sides, or rears instead.:)

Not that I'm sure that the Tempest Engine will benefit me as much as it will those with sound bars, basic stereo or using headphones, just that I do appreciate a good sounding game. The new rears really bring out details I missed before as you can hear every little sound as opposed to a more muffled din. I tried the first chapter of FF7R to test it out, and after you get off the train, you can hear tiny little details and clinks and clangs that you'd expect from a steam type locomotive, along with other ambient sounds. They're all distinct from one another, but don't sound like it's all separate sounds....basically it has a proper sounding ambient atmosphere. This is without the Tempest engine, so hopefully they can extend the benefits of spatial adaptation to more robust sound systems.

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mandingo2193d ago

Tempest engine equals dolby atmos

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RabbitFly2193d ago

Not really. Dolby Atmos is not related to what the tempest engine brings to the table at all. Well in the rudimentary sense of that they both deal with sound in 3d space sure.

But the tempest engine is about the generation of sounds within the game engine, more so than the actual output. It is designed to primarily be used with stereo set ups, not surround systems. And while it can potentially help with virtual surround it is more about spatial awareness within the game than within your living room. You can look up binaural sound design if you want to get an idea of how this might work. The system will see the biggest benefit for headphone users.

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brrdat2192d ago

sony about to break the ps2 sales record.

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darthv722193d ago

And this is why next gen is so much more than what you see on screen. Improvements to sound technology will help to pull the user more into the game. Couple that with improved AI and physics and new controllers and next gen will really feel like the leap that we have come to expect.

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solideagle2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

and that is why next-gen is expensive for people like me :( need to buy a new TV probably 8k + new console? I wish TVs are cheaper than what is on the market. The thing is no matter how advanced TV you buy companies might push 16k next-gen lol

I have a really old Samsung TV which just says HD on it which I bought for £150 from my colleague in 2012. hehe

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FinalFantasyFanatic2193d ago

4K TVs are pretty affordable now (the TV I have now is almost half the price it was 4 years ago, wish I had gotten bigger, but I'm not changing it for a long time). I wouldn't worry about 8k/16k, we can barely do 4k as it is (I'm not so confident both consoles will be a stable 4k 60fps on most games), only PC gaming will get consistently above 4K 60fps (especially with the new GPUs coming), and even then, ray tracing will guarantee we won't be seeing 8k anytime soon.

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RabbitFly2193d ago

Yea there is no point in investing in a 8k tv for gaming for a while. Only if you want to make sure you can watch video content in 8k, which is more than likely to become more available as the market share expands.

None of the new consoles will be able to run games at a native 8k resolution. This is just misinformation being spread by some hopeful fanboys on both sides of the fence. The mention of 8k support on both Xbox Series X and Ps5 is not about games, it is about the support of the hdmi port. Nothing more.

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RosweeSon2193d ago

Can get a cheap 4K set for £300/400 just don’t go for the latest model and you’ll see massive reductions 🤓✌🏻😜

solideagle2192d ago

Thanks guys for great suggestions.

NewEnds01862192d ago

Why would anyone buy an 8k tv for these consoles? A huge waste of money.

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rainslacker2193d ago

If it can manage to make what I'd consider real surroud sound effects using fewer speakers, i think it's going to be a huge advancement to a lot of people. Passive sound bars are about the best you can get without getting to complex in speaker set ups and receivers, and surround sound systems can be a daunting thing when you start getting into all the options. They can be had relatively inexpensively of course, but you often give up a lot on sound quality with those options, and even the better one's are usually better because they sound good enough for people versus the money they spend on them. Basically the Samsung TV effect that gave high end displays so much trouble in the market. Dolby headphones are good already, but Tempest is supposed to make them better by tuning them more to the user's hearing, which is really kind of advanced if you really look into it.

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XxINFERNUSxX2193d ago

Meanwhile the Sound BlasterX AE-5 AE-7 AE-9 had this for years. :D They all have 3D audio, spatial audio etc. AE-7 which I have and it sounds amazing. So most likely the same tech now, goes in the PS5.

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Games1st2193d ago

They are making normal headphones sound better.

Zombieburger6382192d ago

Just get real headphones. All those "gamer" headsets are garbage.

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RabbitFly2193d ago

So the reason why some people are so excited for the tempest engine is because it is integrated into the system which will leverage developers to actual create 3d audio within their games. Something almost no developer is currently doing.

Most 3d audio solutions today, like the ones you listed, are simulating the effect. Again because there is no actual 3d audio data being generated by the games. That is a bit hyperbolic to say of course as there has been strides made here in some vr titles.

I don't know enough about it to give you a full technical rundown, but it has to do with how sound is generated within game engines. There are videos on binarual sound production on youtube you can look up if you want to get a better understanding.

NothingElse2193d ago

"LionWing Publishing is an upstart localization and publishing company focused on bringing to the West tabletop games from Japan and beyond." Gamingbolt btw

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Kumakai2193d ago

Conveniently, the things ps5 has lower specs on are the things ps5 people are the least excited about. But... the series x also has hardware accelerated 3d audio... that also works with ray tracing. So.... this also isn’t just a ps5 thing.

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rainslacker2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

PS3 has accelerated 3D audio as well. Heck, every receiver on the market has one too, so why not just use that.
The sound locations can be extrapolated just as well.....right. I mean, that's what XSX is going to have....what you already have in your receiver or decent set of headphones.

What's you're point? Tempest isn't a 3D audio accelerator. It's the entire audio processor which has some significant audio processing attached to it. It's a audio engine which creates a spatial sound pattern tailored to a user's hearing profile, to more accurately depict where sound is coming from than a general 3D audio processor. It will do what an accelerated 3D audio processor does, or even a software one, but does it on a much deeper level than what passive audio processors do.

MS 3D accelerator speeds up a software solution by placing it on a chip. Sony's is part of the API which can be utilized directly by the developer to create a more robust sound environment overall. Two very different concepts, which provide very different results.

RabbitFly2193d ago

I think you would benefit from looking into binaural audio and how this is not what you think it is.

I recommend putting on a pair of headphones and checking out this video by the verge f. ex. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

It gives some real world examples of binaural recordings to give you a sense of the potential benefit and it also talks a bit about how this can and is being implemented in game design. This is what the Tempest Engine is trying to bring to the next generation. It is not a system made just for generating a virtual surround effect, but to give developers headroom for actually putting this kind of processing into their games. Which will hopefully push developers to actually do it as the technology has been available for a long while.

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milohighclub2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

This isnt 3d audio its binaural.
Its recorded using a head with microphones in the ear lobes to get an accurate take on audio entering the ear canal.

What if you want to same effect on a large environment. Currently you would probably have to use binaural then then decrease the volume so it sounds like it's coming from a distance. Also wouldnt work with digital sfx.

True 3d audio has the same effect as binaural but over the whole environment and will work with any sound source. The tempest engine(chip) now also allows for convolution as well which means not only will we have environment scale binaural effects but also the reflections they produce. At a very accurate level. Binaural is already seen in games but only up close to the player with binaural recordings. See Hellblade for example.

For the people in the comments above arguing this, this is NOT currently available on Dolby Atmos or PSVR

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smashman982193d ago

I don't understand why people care so much about the power of this system. Sony has shown time and again that they push the industry forward with their games. Microsoft has had the power advantage before and it literally didn't do anything. This gen It's gonna come down to two things in my opinion. Pricing and games. I think MS is going to beat sony on pricing. I forsee sony continuing to bring the best when it comes to first party software. The question becomes (again in my opinion) which of these 2 factors will be more important to the general gamer.

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King72193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

Smashman98@ what give you the idea that Microsoft would beat Sony on pricing? if Microsoft got the most powerful console you think people would be willing to pay more for the power.

smashman982192d ago (Edited 2192d ago )

This is because there are many reports that are stating Microsoft is willing to undercut Sony no matter the price. I don't see this being a guarantee that MS will have a lower priced console but I think it's likely these reports are true.

FinalFantasyFanatic2193d ago

I agree it'll come down to price and games, but I guarantee that Microsoft won't be beating Sony on console pricing, especially if the Xbox is going to be the most powerful of the two (hopefully Sony learnt their lesson with the PS3).

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smashman982192d ago

I replied to someone who asked about pricing earlier. My only reason for thinking MS will beat Sony on pricing is because of reports stating that MS will seek to undercut Sony on pricing this gen. My guess is Xbox will launch first and for cheaper. While leaning heavily into the "Most powerful console for cheaper bit"

My other reason for believing the report is because if Microsoft doesn't undercut Sony or atleast price match then I don't see them standing a chance next gen.

brrdat2192d ago

people don't realize sony has 5 of the 10 best selling consoles of all time. microsoft has 1. every gen sony has put out gems, many of which have become timeless classics. the only company that compares is nintendo. microsoft has maybe 3 classic games.

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zero_jp2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

Who is Microsoft’s console designer? Does anyone even know? Mark Cerny on the other hand is very well known for Sony.

I think Microsoft has and continues to have too many cooks in the kitchen which is why they have failed in the past.

They do however get a fresh slate this next go around and I hope that they can be successful. Competition is great for everyone.

Going forward I do think Microsoft needs a Mark Cerny type outside of Phil that people like and can trust. As it stands now Major Nelson and Aaron Greenberg just aren’t a good look.

SyntheticForm2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

Andrew Goossen is the system architect for Series X. I don't know who the lead is, but their top two guys seem to be the one I mentioned above and a Nick Baker.

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Baza2193d ago

MS doesn’t need a well known industry leading game designer when they have Greenberg!

DaGR8JIBRALTAR2193d ago

You mean their Achilles heel?

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rainslacker2193d ago

His imagination created the XSX. Only he can imagine what games will look like when they play on it.

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Sunny_D2192d ago

@rainslacker

Can he imagine actual gameplay?

DaGR8JIBRALTAR2193d ago

All this praise heaped upon the ps5 and we haven't even laid eyes on it...very impressive.

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Saijahn2193d ago

Power doesn’t matter yet they tried to squeeze out more power to close the gap.

Why not stick with ps4 if power doesn’t matter? Yeah thought so

brrdat2192d ago

power is relative. a couple more "flops" won't matter. sony has produced 5 of the 10 best selling consoles of all time. microsoft has produced 1, and here's a hint, it wasn't the xbox one.

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smashman982192d ago

Honestly if Sony continued to stick with ps4 and put out exclusives while the series x was out I think many would still stick with the ps4. Infact if I'm not mistaken the Xbox one x is much more powerful than the pro and most people still play on playstation.

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NewEnds01862192d ago

Because we want next gen games on a next gen console....at launch.

If power was the be all end all then PC is the answer but once again....we want the exclusive next gen games...at launch.

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Dwarrior2193d ago

Always the fanboys and apologists.

I'll be conservative and say that AT LEAST 80% of gamers play sound through their TV speakers because they're too broke, too stupid, or don't have the space to set up a genuine home theater. These sound capabilities will be enjoyed by very few. Any way you slice it, video gaming is a visual medium, and visuals are all most gamers will care about at the end of the day.

You may now downvote me to hell.

SyntheticForm2193d ago

No, that's pretty much on the money.

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RabbitFly2193d ago

Well the tempest engine is actually not designed for home theater use at all, and will probably not give any benefit to those that have invested heavily in such set ups.

it will be most effective with headphones, with potential for gains with stereo audio like tv speakers and sound bars.

It could potentially get to a point where it benefits a full home theater set up, but that requires a lot more work on translating the effect. I can't really claim to fully understand the technology, but if you look up binaural audio design on youtube you can get some ideas of what this engine gives the potential for.

It has more to do with generating sounds in relation to where our ears would be within the 3d space of the game world than the 3d space in your living room. And as you only have 2 ears the technology is generally meant for 2 outputs, not 6 or 8. And how or if this can be translated to f. ex. a 7.1 system is at the moment unsure.

rainslacker2193d ago

If you exclude mobile gaming, most gamers are actually on PC, and most use gaming monitors which don't often have speakers, and the ones that do have worse speakers than TV's. So, I'd say your statistics are off, and more likely use some form of desktop sound system, or headphones.

For more general purpose stats on TV sound usage, I did some looking, and it seems around only 30-45% of people use just the TV speakers. Sound bar sales in general are booming, although on the decline YOY likely due to decline because of market penetration. 40-50% of surveys or analyses show that 40-50% of people watch TV with a home theater system or sound bar. Anywhere from 1-10% use headphones, although I saw one survey that has gamers using a higher percentage, but that included PC gaming as well.

Given those statistics, it's more likely that most people have some form of sound system that is beyond the regular TV. I think it's all arguable, but a random 80% you pulled out of your ass to make your argument also seems worth arguing.

But here's the thing. Tempest is supposed to provide a more 3D sound experience through said TV speakers. It won't improve the quality of the sound, just the perception that the sound is more spatial. I don't know how well it works, and many may not care, but if it actually does work the way Sony claims, then it's going to be something people notice when they're actually playing their games.

If you noticed during the PS5 deep dive, they specifically said that the Tempest Engine was being designed for those with TV sound or Headphones first. That's because they will receive the most benefit from it, whereas those with more robust sound systems have less need for such things to be done as regular game engine codecs can already output localized sound positioning as a matter of course.

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Charlieboy3332193d ago

From what was said in the deep dive, the Tempest engine can create virtual surround from normal tv speakers and headphones. So there's that...

Dwarrior2193d ago

My dude. Have you ever heard "virtual surround" that was anywhere near the real thing?

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343_Guilty_Spark2193d ago

Will you need a new sound system to take advantage of it?

RabbitFly2193d ago

The system is designed to be used primarily with headphones and potentially with stereo sound set ups. Like your tv speakers or a sound bar.

There might be throughput issues with any new sound designs though so if you are running the sound through a receiver you might have to upgrade but it depends heavily on how old your current receiver is.

To put it simply. Any pair of headphones would potentially see a great benefit from the system. Sound fidelity might go up with a better set up, but fidelity of sound is not the benefit of the system.

IRetrouk2193d ago

Nope, works with any headset, then after launch, tv speakers will be getting incorporated too.

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Father__Merrin2193d ago

It's not just for better audio it's a dedicated engine where it won't need to draw on cpu resources

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RabbitFly2193d ago

I am just going to put this here as a lot of people seem confused about what kind of 3d audio the tempest engine is designed for.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

This is a video posted on youtube by the verge and it is a rudimentary rundown of binaural audio design. Both with real world examples and some talk about game implementation. This is not technically the tempest engine, but it can give a very real world indication of what kind of benefit the engine is likely to bring to the table. You should wear headphones while watching the video. It makes a big difference.

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RPGer2193d ago

Imagine 3D sound with PSVR2 playing AAA Open World game, or full real games like RE7.

antikbaka2193d ago

developers are always optimistic before launch and spill the beans only if the product fails

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spartan112g2193d ago

Look at the Dolby interview where they say, “yeah, we’ve been doing this with Atmos.”

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ASSASSYN2193d ago

3D Audio. Spin it all you want. You won’t convince me of that shit. You will the fanboys. But it fails right here. Sony came up with something better than Dolby atmos? Lmao! What it comes down to is Sony was too damn cheap to pay licensing fees. Doubly atmos is the gold standard of sound. You will never walk into a theater and see, “presented in Sony 3D audio” on screen. It’s Dolby atmos because they are what is measured against for sound quality. They are the industry standard for sound audio. Dolby is everywhere. This 3D audio tech is just on a Sony console? Lol

milohighclub2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

Does Dolby atmospheres does 3d audio through television speakers? 🤔

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AmUnRa2192d ago

No... You need a Dolby Atmos certified sound set for that

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milohighclub2193d ago

I think you're all getting 3d audio mixed up with either 360 audio or binaural audio. I'm pretty sure 3d audio isnt available yet. I know audio software such as Wise or Fmod offer the option to place the sound as "3d" however the specialisation isn't as accurate at all.

These audio advancements got added to UE4 LAST WEEK with UE4.25!!!!!

They haven't been in engines forever at all and 3d audio is not supported on current gen or previous gen consoles.

"3d sound" on current gen works by increasing and decreasing volumes whilst planning audio.

Binaural as used in Hellblade is the closest to 3d as its not using any tricks and an actual binaural head to record the sounds, however did to the limitations of the hardware, whilst is impressive, still isnt full 3d.

Consoles are only the audio chips to allow true 3d audio. You think Mark Cerny a man with a much higher IQ than the lot of us would be leading the ps5 to launch based on an "advancement" that has been in gaming for generations.

Lol.

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milohighclub2193d ago

*spacialisation*

milohighclub2193d ago (Edited 2193d ago )

Does Dolby atmospheres does 3d audio through television speakers? 🤔

Binaural is great for up close and immediate surroundings. But what If you want a distant sound effect to be localised? Or a digital sound. 3D Audio.

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Hedstrom2193d ago

Sounds awesome!

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swin288882192d ago

Hôm nay chơi được

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Babadook72192d ago

Just realized the tempest engine has its own dedicated hardware. Pretty cool. Might as well use this whether you are an indy dev or AAA.

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Phantom682192d ago

Also the engine frees up CPU for other tasks

TheHan2192d ago

This shit makes me laugh.

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sergiopereira19852192d ago

Is it fair to say that Sony delivers with every console? I can't think of a single bad one.

Pyrofire952192d ago

I don't expect anything new in this article (especially cause it's gamingbolt) I'm I so excited for this console that I don't care. Just everything I hear about it is so cool and I adore how they've approached making this thing. It's really something that screams THIS IS FOR RUNNING AWESOME GAMES.

mynameisthumper2192d ago

The only thing I really, truly, care about with the PS5 is that it runs silent as often as possible and doesn't heat my whole house up. Other than that, I know that both it and the SX are going to be incredible :)

NewEnds01862192d ago

I have to ask something. Do you do regular cleaning of your consoles? I have had my launch PS4 since launch and bought a slim a few years back and I never get loud fans or excessive heat.

Maybe it's because I keep my gaming consoles and areas as dust free as I can but I'm starting to think some people are afraid to dust and clean a console and want to blame noise and heat on the manufacturer and not self laziness.

mynameisthumper2192d ago

Throughout this entire generation, I have owned 3 Xbox Ones and 2 PS4's. Every console has been in open air, and cleaned and dusted regularly. Xbox One OG through X? Silent. Always. No matter the level of load. My og PS4 was as close to being a space heater mixed with a jet intake you could possibly have a console, and my PS4 Pro? Well as I said it heats the whole house up and is loud af. Great in winter, but today it was 85 degrees and I really wanted to finish Spider-Man. Hopefully it'll be cooler tomorrow.

kindi_boy2192d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
this is what this is

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WelkinCole2192d ago

The writing was on the wall since last gen regarding diminishing return with regards to graphics https://www.pinterest.com/p...

It was very noticeable from PS3 to PS4 how small the graphics leap was.

People also have been tried of the same games with just prettier graphics for the last 10 years.

Sony have tried to spice things up with VR last gen which has been a good first try

However immersiveness is the key going forward.