Hey they are now focusing on all the areas they were weak; controller, acoustics/heat dissipation, sound processing.

@GamerRN you make absolutely no sense

@GamerRN

Salty much? Some people are never happy, you seem upset that more people are interested in the PS5. Sony has put the work in to be in this position and until MS shows new games the xseries isn't even worth talking about to me. FYI for all you xbots claiming the power difference being so important, need I remind you the Switch outsold the xbox x. I suggest you fall back and STFU before claiming victory over next gen without MS doing nothing to deserve the benefit of doubt. Since they can't even manage to produce quality AAA games consistently enough to have faith in them.

You mean based on that one rumor? spread well after cerny had already talked about high clocks causing more heat and stating they had a new cooling solution that would deal with it and would talk about it during the teardown? Yeah I'm not buying it... the high clocks were planned from the start, cerny knew he would have to deal with excess heat, I would bet my house, car and lifetime earnings on that rumor being complete bs, infact, throw in my soul too.

I mean based on the rumors and videos floating around that devs think it's a major issue

There are no devs that say its overheating or think it's an issue, the rumor is from one person on YouTube or facebook, cant remember which, it then was ran with by a lot of YouTube fan channels🤷‍♂️ research the rumor yourself and let me know if you find one credible source that states what you say.

The fact they had to create a whole new cooking solutions tells volumes

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based on the fact they are having to run consistently in boost mode to try to up the processor and gpu since they originally were underpowered. You can’t run something consistently at a higher frequency and not expect it to over heat, which is why they’ve had to put so much more time into the cooling solution

There won't be another RROD situation from any of the companies. Lessons have been learned

@Kribwalker3h

- "since they originally were underpowered."

Originally underpowered based on?

- “You can’t run something consistently at a higher frequency and not expect it to over heat“

Yes, you can. If you've done testing and found the sweet spot for high yield, stability, and manageable temperatures. Then you can. It's simple. We've seen RDNA1 cards reach close to these clocks. I'm pretty sure that custom chips from top hardware engineers working in tandem can reach what they were designed and confirmed to reach.

They most certainly can raise the frequency higher and simply stop when undesirable results are reached. That's like expecting a race car driver not to use the brake cause he says he's faster than you.

- "which is why they’ve had to put so much more time into the cooling solution"

This patent is more for allowing a different form factor and saving space. The top of mobo's can get a little crowded and some parts are raised up. With this, they can shave a couple mm's off the thickness of the system or cram more into it. Heat pipes are extremely efficient. They could have always made a larger heatsink which is less complex and just as effective.

I_am_Batman

I'm not ignoring power efficiency at all.

This is a very basic comment. It uses more power to run more transistors Or you can run less transistors faster. It's simple physics

but the fact that PS5 clocks are far beyond the clocks of the Xbox series X suggests that Sony are really pushing the limits of the architecture in a console design.

What are you basing that on? xbox is not the "standard" by which anything is judged. The the quality of silicon and the manufacturing process is the determining factor on what the limits of the chip are.

Whats going on here is people are trying to make an incorrect argument that somehow PS5 is going to overheat based on absolutely nothing and using reasoning that has no basis in reality.

@I_am_Batman They shoulda gone with that dope WayneTech am I right?

@cabbitwithscissors: Your reply is completely unrelated to anything I've said. I haven't made any assumptions about the effectiveness of Sony's cooling solution whatsoever. Maybe try to actually read what's been said instead of completely strawmanning my comment. I'm merely stating the obvious challenges Sony has to overcome to cool the PS5 efficiently.

@caddytrek: What's the purpose of your original comment then? It reads like you are creating a false equivalency between a large/slow die and a small/fast die when it comes to heat dissipation. I'm just pointing out why thermodynamics favor the larger and slower die, since you haven't made any mention of power efficiency and the crucial role die area plays in the equation. All that means is that Sony needs a much more efficient cooling solution.

I'm basing my claim that Sony is pushing RDNA2 to the limits on many things. First of all Mark Cerny implied it himself in his talk about PS5's architecture ("In fact we have to cap the GPU frequency at 2.23 GHz so that we can guarantee that the on-chip logic operates properly").

Another obvious reason for this assumption is that both the PS5 and the Xbox Series X are using the same µarchitecture. Raising the clockspeed is by far the most direct way to increase the performance of the chip so if Sony is not pushing the architecture, what the heck are Microsoft doing clocking the Series X so low then? You are right to point out that the silicon quality plays a role in power efficiency and maximum clockspeeds (although they don't necessarily go hand in hand), but unless you have a plausible resoning why Sony is getting much better silicon then MS it's a moot point in the comparison.

And to your last point: I completely agree that some people are jumping to conclusions based on nothing more than speculation. But this goes for both sides of the issue. One side is certain the PS5 will overheat. The other side is certain it won't be a problem. I am sick and tired of these stupid console wars where people are discouraged from asking legitemate questions about a company they've supported for more than 2 decades because a small minority of people can't see anything between black and white.

@ToxicSushi

Please tell me you haven't had a Switch overheat on you, cause that would be a pretty simple reasoning, along with two PS3's, that they're not in a good environment to exhaust heat and pull in cool air.

Nothing compares to over half of 360's having this problem. Anecdote isn't comparable.

@ToxicSushi / @sinspirit,

I've never known the Switch to get overly hot, it's not exactly high end hardware in there, then again, I never had the Joycon drift or the PS4 controller issues people claim to have either.

All of my consoles have lived a long life, the PSone died on me when the PS3 came out, but I have 2 PS2 still in good working order. My PS3 controller is dead as a tact, won't charge or connect (I don't know where the other one is, I think my sister's partner borrowed it and I never saw it again, it's rare for me to lose console parts/games).

I don't know anyone who has had the YLOD, but pretty much all of my friends have had the RROD though.