True dat! Mercenaries was an amazing series and it’s a shame we don’t see games like that now days pushing the better tech we have now. Pandemic was an amazing studio that crafted fantastic games. I loved the studios last game the saboteur. Beautifully crafted game! Teams aren’t taking chances like that anymore

So happy to see people who know and appreciate Black...what a gem that game was!

Red faction.

Been waiting for a Black sequel for ages.
It must happen!

was playing black on BC on my OneX a couple months ago. The game is still fun to play now and would love a sequel

With m16 and the shotgun sexy glitter, couldn't get any better than this.

Eh. Memory Bandwidth is important, but more than the SSD upgrades doubtful. Memory bandwidth is important because these consoles are targeting higher resolutions, and the bandwidth allows the GPUs to work and rendering faster which is needed at these resolutions. So from a design standpoint going from the XBO up to next-gen it's a HUGE leap, but going from PS4, PS4 Pro, and XBO-X it's a jump up.

That being said the SSD is unquestionably better than the 2.5" 5400 RPM HDD these consoles have had for 2 generations in a row now, and it will fundamentally change games for the consoles, whereas, memory bandwidth is just allowing the consoles to do a bit more and better at what they've been doing (especially in the case of the XBO-X)

@Abizz

You have to understand this answer will change depending on who the developer is and what platforms are being targeted by said dev's game. In this case, they are making a cross-gen game with PC and PS4...PS5's SSD isn't going to bring him much benefit in that case...especially when he thinks about his game running on those platforms...he won't be able to use the SSD to its fullest anyway because his game must also run on PS4 and PCs with HDDs. Thus bandwidth plays more of a bigger role for him because it allows all platforms to take advantage of what he has planned for the game equally on a per platform basis. He answered correctly according to his game's design. This will be an echoed story for the vast majority of 3rd party devs. Unless devs are targeting SSDs only with there game, it won't be the last time bandwidth plays the greater role.

The problem didn't lie with just the crappy mobile CPUs as games that were released more than 10 years ago have more impressive physics systems and interactivity than the vast majority of games that were released this generation. The problem is that developers sacrificed physics systems to shove as many pixels into their games as they could and/or to create bigger but also boring and lifeless open worlds that barely have any interactivity. If devs don't change how they design their games I see the same happening next gen.

@Abizzel

Memory bandwidth will be a huge jump from Xbox One, PS4, and PS4 Pro. A jump from a One X. The reason the pro targets such low resolutions, typically capping at 1440p when the same games on X are 1800p-4K is not just because of the GPU’s raw processing grunt. It’s because the memory bandwidth was upgraded in step with the GPU whereas Sony upgraded the GPU without upgrading the bandwidth to the same extent.

@nirwanda Will wait for the May digital conferences from both Sony and Microsoft before I make a decision on which one I'm going to get first....but I'm naturally leaning towards the PS5 since I already own quite a few PS4 games.

@logic
Same, MS has alot to prove to me first but I believe in them they seem serious.

I have so many PS4 games in my backlog I'll just bc them on my ps5 if their available at launch

The beauty of throwing around percentages while not knowing what it translates to in the real world.

@Shaggy. False. The SSDs in these machines have been frequently called a game changer. That does not imply they won’t be used for 95% of games. They will be used to their limit, and ps5 will have an advantage as a result in many games.

Actually the SSD will likely benefit any and all games from what they are saying. More so than anything else in fact.

@Shaggy. In some cases you will be right. But I would bet some of the series you mention will take ssd speed seriously, make the PC version require ssd, and will use ps5 (easiest to develop on) as a base spec. Series x will then get a port and will run great, just with caveats in asset management.

"Still gotta processes those lods, Tesselation, textures etc."

Yup, and the way that works is having instant access to the right LODs means you only hold those in RAM while the rest are culled which is more efficient and then more than makes up for that tiny fraction of less CPU and GPU resources for processing, and gives you higher assets overall. Hence why it's a game changer.

That won't mean anything lol. 5GB/s is overkill because all the SSD does is feed the RAM.
2.5GB/s is more than enough to do that instantly.

There's also BCpack which will significantly offset that speed advantage

https://gameondaily.com/xbo...

Kraken compresses textures up to 20-30 percent while BCpack is reportedly over 50 percent.

Meaning a 100MB texture on Kraken would be 80-70MB compressed on PS5. While on Series X it's 50MB or less. Meaning that even though it's less speedy, it has significantly LESS TO PROCESS. So in real world performance they will be pretty much equal!

its actually 20-25 percent higher bandwidth. Not sure where you get 6 percent from...

Zeref ”That won't mean anything lol. 5GB/s is overkill because all the SSD does is feed the RAM.
2.5GB/s is more than enough to do that instantly.“

False. Your thinking current gen. Next gen needs to feed the 16 gb much more actively. If your walking through a detailed next gen crowd and each character has 1gb data for high lod you will notice that, as these drives both would be pushed to the limit for steaming data.

“Kraken compresses textures up to 20-30 percent while BCpack is reportedly over 50 percent. ”

They are different. Kraken is compression for a lot more than just textures. For textures ps5 can do just as well by adding other texture compression. The big difference is that Sony has a far more efficient decompression dedicated chip and can manage far more data than xsx. Something like 3 times the data if compressed properly. And just because you compress more doesn’t mean the result is lossless. A different compressor does very little vs 3x the data.

“its actually 20-25 percent higher bandwidth. Not sure where you get 6 percent from...“

That’s only computing the fast ram. Do the math on the whole RAM and it comes to ~6%. And if your going to choose just fast ram on series x for fast tasks (like the frame buffer) the problem is that’s inconvenient for devs. Now they have to manage which assets go where. So overall, no, it’s not 20-25% faster.