“ When's the last time you saw a professional gamer use a wireless arcade stick at an event like EVO?”

Yet it was shown that the DualShock 4 had lower latency wireless than plugged in. Imagine that. Lol

element

stop making up bogus excuses those controllers charge fast and stay charged for upwards of 4-6 hours. you are acting like those things need to be lugged in all the time, Instead of defending this BS how about call it how we see it when other companies are offering same products without requiring extra purchases

AA batteries in other electronics last for months if not years but in gaming controllers they don't last as long. another way for MS to generate more money simple as that and same thing with their SSD cards. giving customers options are never a bad thing atleast package the play and charge with the controllers than

Cables? About any pro/serious fps player for less latency.

Didn't we get rid of AA batteries like two generations ago. Who wants all that waste and extra landfill it's pretty bad for the environment all up.
Plus with fast charging the ability to charge from any device with a USB port like a laptop you don't need to run a cable over the lounge room

@neutral
You say 4-6 hours for a controller as if that's something to be proud of. Eneloop will last me around 15 hours in an Xbox controller. As for the next-gen storage, that's irrelevant to this conversation. Since you brought it up though, do you think SSDs with the speed Sony is looking for will be cheap? Current ones are $200 for much slower drives, that price increases as the speed does. Do you think all manufacturers will jump on board those ultra fast drives right away? It's not as though you'll have the option to choose from 5 manufacturers at launch, they might not even make those drives until the middle of next year or later. Will PS5 compatible drives even work as well as internal ones? The internal storage has proprietary hardware, so even if you buy an ultra fast drive, it may not work as well. Furthermore, once those ultra fast drives hit retail, PC owners will buy them.
You'll have two markets going after the same hardware, creating scarcity and driving up prices. Bitcoin miners bought all the video cards which drove the prices up to absurd levels. At least with the Series X storage MS has stated up front it'll be the same as the internal and work just as well.

Exactly I have a nice set of high capacity envelopes and I’m they last so much longer than my DualShock and I never have To have it plugged in win win!

I'd rather pay 60$ and swap between 2 controllers than pay 30$ for a pack of rechargable batteries with charger and have to F around with that all the time.

@element

You could of

A) Got a charging dock
B) a second controller
C) charged the pad in rest mode.

I've had a PS3 and PS4 since launch and I've never had to use a cable to charge my pads whilst playing.

stupidest reasoning and logic I have ever heard in this site. Please dont reproduce dumb dumb

I never play with a controller connected. I own 3, and i have a docking station.
MS sticking with external batteries is primitive to say the least.

@ ElementX
Who doesn’t let their controllers charging and have the feature to turn off power to the usb after 4 hours having long enough time to charge it for the next gameplay.
Oh wait you do as you don’t know about it it means you don’t own a ps4

I use Panasonic eneloops too,
they last freaking forever
(the pro 2550's.)
best rechargeable solution I found.
I've got four pair, also use them for all the other knick knacks that use double A's, two rechargeable stations, whole set-up cost me the same as a controller, $60.
they've lasted me the entire generation, and will keep going into the next one...

"I'm sure most will already have rechargeable batteries or a battery pack from previous generations"

Rechargeable batteries exist since... idk 20 years? and even though they are less aggressive with the environment (less just a little less) people STILL buy regular AA's... I don't know why they don't buy rechargeable but they don't...
So "I'm sure most will already have rechargeable batteries" No! sadly is not like that.

I love the Microsoft way with batteries over Sony battery pack in the back ... I be loosing the dam cord ... idk for me give me the battery option

@littlelad
For me it is not about clutter, although I have six kids. I sit about 10-12 feet away from my TV/Xbox. Cables don't reach my seat. As for the batteries, I will go on gaming marathon sessions and it is a LOT easier to change a couple of batteries in 30 seconds than to have to connect a totally different controller, if the kids have put them back on the charger.
@Mr_Writer85
Like I said above, I sit to far away from the console to play with a cord. It just won't work.

Most people could easily afford to charge outside of actually playing. Just make a habit out of plugging it in or putting it in the charging station when you're done.

Yeah cables are so old school. I’m pissed my cell phone has an internal battery. My tablet too. Even my watch. Oh and my Bluetooth speaker!! This is so ridiculous!

I said in my first comment, "cables aren't that bad". I even said I have a charger behind the couch if I need to charge as I'm playing. I just happen to have Eneloop for various things and so using them in a controller isn't an issue. The longer battery life is a bonus. I'd rather game an entire weekend and not have to plug in a controller.
You'd think from the comments in here that I pissed in everyone's cornflakes.

@Pepsi if my mobile, tablet, or bluetooth speaker only lasted 4-6 hours, I'd be pissed. Those devices have batteries that last much longer.

I myself prefer a wired controller over wireless and wish I had a good one for my XB1X. Sure a wireless is ok for casual play times but the types of gaming that I do I don't want to chance having to rush to plug in my controller because the batteries ran low because my mic and headphones were also draining the battery down dramatically during play.

I like the option of simply changing out the batteries in the Xbox controller with the type of rechargeable system I want to use, over the forced nature of internal batteries that for most simply aren't up to par with what the market has to offer with rechargeable choices.

For sure Microsoft needs to get on board with a battery brand that will supply rechargeable batteries for their system out of the box at an affordable price and an excellent marketing opportunity.

I commend your fiscal and environmental responsibility. If you are so enamored with rechargeable batteries, why are you so against MS just including them with the controller or system from the start?

I'm not even saying that they should go with anything crazy or proprietary, but give you out of the box exactly what you are already using.

It's nice you think that anyone moving into next gen likely has a x1, although it means that you don't expect MS to sell many consoles next gen. But, by MS own admission here, at least half of those people "prefer" to use non-rechargeable batteries. Those that already have them...well, they're either going to give those batteries away when they trade in their current systems, or buy new ones, or if they keep them, just toss those extra batteries in a drawer, or the trash. It's wasteful.

I'm suggesting a solution that gives you the best of all worlds, and doesn't remove your options in the least. It adds value to all consumers, and would cost MS next to nothing in the grand scheme of things. MS would lose out on people buying play n' charge kits though, but you want options, I'm offering another more beneficial one for yourself and other X1 owners.

Everyone has rechargeable batteries already? Then why are those battery sections at the stores usually filled to the brim with regular batteries? Why are the rechargeable ones not front and center, but instead usually stuck in a corner of the display, if they have them at all? Why is selection extremely limited in these stores for these things? Maybe because most people do not have a rechargeable battery station and batteries in their home? I don't, because most of the things I use have rechargeable batteries already, or use batteries that last months, if not years...and amounts mostly to remotes or flashlights. As of now, all my flashlights are rechargeable types, and remote batteries easily last a year or more.

@rain
I never said everybody already has rechargeable batteries, I said "Chances are Series X owners will have owned either 360 or One. I'm sure most will already have rechargeable batteries or a battery pack"

MS may sell to consumers who have never purchased a previous Xbox, however I'm sure a lot of the people are returning customers. Many switched from 360 to PS4, some of them may return and might still have those rechargeables somewhere. I never said MS shouldn't include rechargeable batteries, either. I'm not in disagreement with you on that point. I'd prefer batteries that can be charged outside of the controller as an option to use with my existing charger. If they included some that can be removed or charged with a USB attached, that would be great.

I know I have lots of AA's in my house. My wife has these battery powered candles to make the room look nice when they put out this glow (in the fall and winter months) and those take like 3 AA each (x7 candles) so yeah we always have some.

Anyways, i like user replaceable batteries, they may not be as convenient as plugging in the cable to recharge while you play but because I always have some i am never without power to play my games. I have thought about getting some rechargeable ones, but I already have a stockpile of AA (and AAA) that I dont really need them.

To each their own I say. My using replaceable ones in no way infringes on the next person who prefers built in. We are allowed to have different views.

@littletad

the response time for wireless is not noticeable for humans. I doubt even pro gamers actually notice the difference. Wired for them is just a peace of mind.

As for EVO events they use wired so that the controller won't randomly disconnect, or maybe battery runs out in the middle of the match (even a "battery-low" notification could disrupt the match) or maybe the signals get jumbled because there would be so many other wireless controllers nearby.
So in this case it makes sense to use wired.

But none of this is a concern for gaming at home.

@ annoyed

I don't think so.

"Note - Standard AA (LR6) batteries work in your Xbox One Wireless Controller, as do rechargeable AA (LR6) batteries. However, regular rechargeable batteries don’t recharge in the controller. Recharge these batteries by the method recommended by the manufacturer."

@NX

You're right. I barely use my X1. That's because MS doesn't give me any reason to boot up my X1. Not my fault that they can't produce many games I don't want to play.

@Teflon

yeah, I know. I've plugged mine into my system, a charging cradle I have in my entertainment center, and a cable by my desk. I've charged one off the PSTV USB port, and even in my car while I was taking an extra controller over to a friends house to play games.

Geneally, I play without it plugged in, although I have a long enough cord on my end table that if I do have to plug it in, it's not really in the way. I then plug it in when I'm done playing. No big deal, and pretty much what I did since the PS3 first came with wireless controllers.

My point isn't that people should't be using rechargeable batteries. In fact I encourage it because it's more economical, and certainly better for the environment since most people just throw batteries in the trash.

The point though was that MS should be including rechargeable batteries with the system and controllers themselves. Then the people buying them would get the best of all worlds, and the most choices. I see absolutely no reason why this should be something that would be argued against by the user, as it serves their best interest. The only reason I can think some people take such a hardline approach to this solution is because of deeply ingrained beliefs that it somehow is paramount to MS image that an alternate solution be given.

I have 12 disagrees.. Why? Because people just want to spend more money, and that's a great option? Isn't the best option one where you have an out of the box solution, but the option to spend more to possibly get even more convienance? The console war has made some people not think of their own best interest sometimes. I know it's a small costs, and relatively moot in a person's purchasing decision on consoles(or at least should be), but still, the logic is baffling to me.

Eh, so rechargeable batteries are the best option? but not internal batteries which are ........er......rechargeable.
MS do it so they can sell a rechargeable add on at a stupid price.
I have to launch DS4's and the batteries still last. I always have one on charge. It's simple stuff. It's bad enough trying to find batteries to go in the TV remote without your game controller bloody running out.
Everytime I stick a new pair of batteries in my Xbox Controller In laugh, a but like having a wireless USB headset that works with Windows yet some how doesn't work with the Xbox One, its madness.

We would rather use things like this instead of having a cord and box we are tethered too.

https://www.wish.com/produc...

https://www.bestbuy.com/sit...

No idea what you are trying to ask me with those first two questions. Sorry....they just don't make sense.

"Or maybe I should say some of us don't use goofy devices like that tethered but prefer wireless."

That's your choice too. I don't know why you think it is "goofy". It is fine for folks who need to charge their phone on the go, but in your living room, sitting on the couch....this is goofy? lol.....whatever you say.

And those choices are definitely superior than the rip-off $25 Play and Charge. No doubt. But that doesn't change the fact you paid a premium for that "wireless" Xbox controller that doesn't have a rechargeable battery in the box and you had to buy something else to provide that functionality.

But if I have to argue this much with Xbox fans, like yourself, that they should be getting more for their $60 then I have my answer as to why MS doesn't even bother. Xbox fans just let them get away with it.

@Razzer
I started with the X and I mean going foward. Those who start with the one original there is a rechargeable for about 9 dollar usd though. To each his goofy own though.
This comment is not actually an argument but feel free to respond. I know everyone can determine what price and set are a fit for them. Seems clear most of us real xbox gamers aren't complaining though. Us console primary gamers and not I'll just buy it on the pc or I don't really like Microsoft anymore gamers.

I just want to be clear on what I am personally saying. Since this will influence some people's decision. I am with Nx on this one.

Edit: I forgot to say that on the X it has all the bells and whistles like charging chord and port same as ps4 and also the removable battery. I am not sure what system Nx has but, sounds like he may be saying the series X has the same ports and chords like the X.

"I just want to be clear on what I am personally saying. Since this will influence some people's decision. I am with Nx on this one."

lol.....you are picking up this conversation like the two of you are one and the same. Alt account alert!

@Razzer

Yeah, I knew it was going to come off looking that way but, all the time stamps for each comment are down the entire comment chain. I had actually made comments in other places to other users. I mean look like alt account or have people following the entertainment and making the wrong decisions would have been worse. I just want to make sure they have all the info before they purchase their controllers on the xbox and the ps.

But, yeah I don't think Nxfather is a bad guy or anything. You accuse so fast so for me the jury is still out.